Review Round 5, 2022 - Brisbane Lions vs. Collingwood

[beardancer]

The way Joe's going now and improving every week ,getting a lot more assured with his marking and kicking it would be fairly reckless imo to get him back rucking ,taking centre clearances and whatever else. He's still presenting on the wings anyway.

I'm even not overwrapped on him taking the occasional boundary stoppage because he's a strong physical presence when the ball hits the deck around the goals.

Yeah, I wouldn't be rucking Joe anytime.

 

[Tom14]

Yeah, I wouldn't be rucking Joe anytime.

How would you summarise Joe's first 5 weeks?

Just asking out of pure morbid curiosity to see what you come up with.

 

[beardancer]

My big standouts last night.

Ah Chee....what a footballer this man is.....any position you like.....and he's 24!!!!!!

Darcy Fort

32

Darcy Fort

Age

31

Ht

204cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

2.9

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

9.2

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

3.2

2star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.8

3star

G

0.2

3star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.2

4star

....the ultimate ruck forward. Whether presenting up the line, center square rucking, goal square grabs, he's ya man.

Lachie, nuf said.

Dan McStay, great game. marking, field kicking, tackles, goal kicking.

 

[Hollow Knight]

$2000 fine for Dizzy.

Free to play this week. Cox copped the same.

Match Review: Lion learns fate, Cox charged with kneeing

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[FLVanLandingham]

Something popped into my head while I was mowing today. It was good to see Rayner try that bursting through traffic again after he got initially pinged from htb.

What we need for him now is him testing and pushing his limits to get settled in again.

Had a a chuckle remembering that stupid bump attempt too. reminds me of how those stupid nfl players tackle... insane.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Low impact is generous. Daicos had fair whiplash from it.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Seems that while the AFL has become hysterical about protecting the head, they've forgotten about potential serious injuries to any other body part (Gary Rohan

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Gary Rohan

Age

33

Ht

189cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.8

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

4.2

5star

G

1.2

4star

's lower leg aside).

 

[spotthedog1]

Rules require a lot of interpretation. The Ah Chee 50 is definitely a questionable one, and has not been consistently interpreted either way.

When this was a focus a few seasons back, it became common for the attacking team to push the defender away and veer around to draw the 50. That was annoying to everyone so they changed the interpretation to "not 50". Now they generally don't pay it 50, but sometimes it still comes in.

Here, there wasn't a push-off, as Ah Chee was running in front and ran the wrong side, which may be a mark in favour of the 50. Sidey clearly played for the 50, which generally means it shouldn't be 50, especially in line with that soft change a couple of years back. But then Ah Chee was running the open side, and Sidey not. If that's allowed, it incentivises people to run the open side to close off the angle.

Personally, I think it wasn't 50. But I accept that it's questionable. Again, consistency the real issue.

 

[Brett C]

You've made a good point Brett, I am just not sure it is the one you intended. Sidebottom went behind De Goey in this instance. Here is what the rule says about that. I have added italics.



A player of the the same team as the Player with the football enters the additional protected area behind the Player on The Mark. What should occur? No other players (of either team) are permitted in the Protected Area. In the same way as if player of the same team enters the Protected Area currently, the umpire should re-set The Mark and clear out the additional Protected Area behind the Player on The Mark.

See if you’d watched even a handful of games you’d know that unless player stay in the protected zone or run across the mark then the mark isn’t reset.

It’s okay to admit you didn’t know the rule and just move on but you keep compounding the error over and over again.

 

[beardancer]

How would you summarise Joe's first 5 weeks?

Just asking out of pure morbid curiosity to see what you come up with.

Can I just summarise last nights performance?

Same old really. Unsighted for 10 minutes at a time, takes a mark kicks a goal from down town. Brilliant, the commentators go wild, then ruins the next 2 forward entries. refuses to pass the ball cause he thinks he can kick it 70 meters, misses. Refuses to tackle....etc

in the meantime Ah Che or linc bust their nuts at EVERY contest to get the ball to their team mate.

he's been like this his whole career.

 

[Hollow Knight]

If you hate Joe, you hate life.

 

[martinson]

Can I just summarise last nights performance?

Same old really. Unsighted for 10 minutes at a time, takes a mark kicks a goal from down town. Brilliant, the commentators go wild, then ruins the next 2 forward entries. refuses to pass the ball cause he thinks he can kick it 70 meters, misses. Refuses to tackle....etc

in the meantime Ah Che or linc bust their nuts at EVERY contest to get the ball to their team mate.

he's been like this his whole career.

Surely you are a troll who's just trying to stir people up.

He's our second best player.

Without question.

 

[Timetoroarlike44]

See if you’d watched even a handful of games you’d know that unless player stay in the protected zone or run across the mark then the mark isn’t reset.

It’s okay to admit you didn’t know the rule and just move on but you keep compounding the error over and over again.

You had your condescending post with the rules so i quoted them. Now it’s the vibe! Goodo.

I watch far too much footy. I believe Ah Chee example is often not paid for reasons i already mentioned.

Others have disagreed with me and that’s fine, no issue with that, the point of this place is opinion.

I note you have been the only person punishing enough to trot out ‘lol’ ‘watch some games’ ‘learn the rules’. Always strong arguments.

 

[briztoon]

Not going to dispute that Daicos is really good cause he looks a beauty but there aren’t a lot of players that skirt around a contest calling for a handball receive as well as him. Was pretty shocked to see he had 27 touches last night.

That was his game at U18 level, and to be honest, that’s the role you want Daicos and McCluggage playing.

They’re essentially quarter backs, who’s best role is to receive the ball in a bit of space, identify the best option to kick to, and make it happen.

Daicos was really good last night moving the ball forward for Collingwood,

 

[davemc_lions]

With Joe apart from lack of defensive effort a lot of the time. Ok I did see him tackle Sidebottom
I think Joe been great since he came here. There are times you say what the .. then times you go what the how he do that.
Yes can go missing.. Although so to does Charlie. Although body language always seems up and happy.
One week we have Charlie, Daniher, McStay, Hippy (when back) , Linc and Rayner all fire.
Most weeks 2-3 quiet and a mid gets a few to compensate.. Bailey 3 last night
Would I move him out of forward 50 to ruck. Nope. I think his form been great and I say sides worried about him.
So do we keep Fort and play tall or see if McStay can ruck a little to pinch hit.

 

[briztoon]

One thing that has me completely gobsmacked is how critical people are when we're winning games.

As if we should be winning a flag , or have some entitlement to a Top 4 spot.

Nothing is guaranteed in footy and it's April . Every game is loseable.

God knows what these whingers will be like if we hit a flat spot and lose a couple.

Because I expect us to be right up there challenging Melbourne, and right now I can’t see it happening.

I haven’t been to a live game this year, so it’s hard to make a full observation, but I can’t say that I can identify a style of play for us, except for when we go back to kicking it down the line, because whatever else we’re trying to do keeps breaking down each week.

However, unlike previous year’s, we’re not the dominant stoppage team we used to be, to keep going back to playing it down the line.

I don’t know why, but we find it really hard at times to move the ball downfield from a turnover. Unless our players are in acres of space.

 

[mattsmob]

That was his game at U18 level, and to be honest, that’s the role you want Daicos and McCluggage playing.

They’re essentially quarter backs, who’s best role is to receive the ball in a bit of space, identify the best option to kick to, and make it happen.

Daicos was really good last night moving the ball forward for Collingwood,

I'm sure he'll get better at it but just like in the 18's he can call for the ball in a lot of bad situations. No idea what he's like off-field but can be a bit selfish with racking up numbers imo. I'm probably still a bit biased as I was pretty firmly in the JHF clear number 1 camp.

 

[Nunez]

Some comments on here mentioned our rucks were soundly beaten. At the ground it didn't look the case so I decided to do a little digging.

Oscar & Fort:
Hitouts: 23
Clearances: 7
Tackles: 7
Marks: 4 (1 contested)
Score involvements: 5
Goals: 1

Grundy & Cox:
Hitouts: 33
Clearances: 8
Tackles: 4
Marks: 2 (1 contested)
Score involvements: 1
Goals: 0

Based off watching the game and viewing the stats, I think our boys more than held their own. Better yet, with one Grundy contract we could probably afford four Oscars and Forts lol.

 

[Brett C]

You had your condescending post with the rules so i quoted them. Now it’s the vibe! Goodo.

I watch far too much footy. I believe Ah Chee example is often not paid for reasons i already mentioned.

Others have disagreed with me and that’s fine, no issue with that, the point of this place is opinion.

I note you have been the only person punishing enough to trot out ‘lol’ ‘watch some games’ ‘learn the rules’. Always strong arguments.

Opinions aren’t facts just an fyi.

You’ve stated the same thing as a fact multiple times and claimed the umpire made an assumption when this isn’t a grey area of the rules.

It’s a clear 50 and you doubled down with another example which just proved you don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[Tom14]

Because I expect us to be right up there challenging Melbourne, and right now I can’t see it happening.

I haven’t been to a live game this year, so it’s hard to make a full observation, but I can’t say that I can identify a style of play for us, except for when we go back to kicking it down the line, because whatever else we’re trying to do keeps breaking down each week.

However, unlike previous year’s, we’re not the dominant stoppage team we used to be, to keep going back to playing it down the line.

I don’t know why, but we find it really hard at times to move the ball downfield from a turnover. Unless our players are in acres of space.

Can't disagree more about this tbh, having watched every game live apart from the North game. Ball movement has not been our problem - yeah some times we kick down the line, and struggled at kardinia, but statistically we've been the best in the league at moving the ball from D50 to forward 50. Style of play is the same it has always been but with Zorko back there attempting some more risky kicks which have largely worked out.

The problem is our defensive work on turnover and the weight of inside 50s we are conceding (related but not exclusively due to our lack of stoppage dominance). Backline is holding up so we are winning, but we don't want to give the opposition 55 i50s each week.

Similarly there are some really basic things that I noticed last night that we aren't doing defensively - e.g. not blocking off the corridor handball late in the game last night. We'd understandably kick long down the line only to turn it over and have multiple pies players free for the release handball in the corridor while some of our guys ball hunted. I'm no footy coach but I don't think that's where you would want to be positioned. The workrate last week in Geelong was a concern as well and I'm not sure we have the balance of frontal pressure vs overcommitting to the contest right at the moment.

I similarly have some doubts about our ability to beat melbourne but style of play/ball movement isn't in my top couple.

 

[Lazza16]

I see Fagan more of a serious consistent face this season which makes me think he is very concerned something is wrong/not working .

 

[Nunez]

I see Fagan more of a serious consistent face this season which makes me think he is very concerned something is wrong/not working .

We absolutely have room for improvement. What's exciting is HAVING room for improvement and sitting second on the ladder. We're in a very good position.

 

[martinson]

Because I expect us to be right up there challenging Melbourne, and right now I can’t see it happening.

I haven’t been to a live game this year, so it’s hard to make a full observation, but I can’t say that I can identify a style of play for us, except for when we go back to kicking it down the line, because whatever else we’re trying to do keeps breaking down each week.

However, unlike previous year’s, we’re not the dominant stoppage team we used to be, to keep going back to playing it down the line.

I don’t know why, but we find it really hard at times to move the ball downfield from a turnover. Unless our players are in acres of space.

There's truth in that.

But it's early days. I think we ourselves expect to be challenging and our preparation is based on that. So I think we have many players who aren't fully wound up yet. Not even close. Like Melbourne who to me have had a similar preparation but unfortunately they're just so good they're creaming teams anyway.

Fagan's fairly cunning and been around a while. He lifted us to play above ourselves for a year or two ,now I think he's grappling with whether to stick to what we know ,discipline , commitment or move at times during the game that breaks it open. You need the cattle out there to do that consistently.

My honest thoughts are that we're not quite good enough to win a flag without another 2 players around the M/F breaking it open and mopping it up downfield when it doesn't work out. Which means Rayner ,Bailey , Cocky , or whoever else ,Dev, maybe Ah Chee ,anybody, a couple of those need to be as good as Viney or half an Oliver to get us to the level required.

A lot can happen in a season. We're winning games . When we start losing them reassess.

Sorry for the length of this but they're relevant points you raise and I know we're aware.

 

[mattsmob]

Some comments on here mentioned our rucks were soundly beaten. At the ground it didn't look the case so I decided to do a little digging.

Oscar & Fort:
Hitouts: 23
Clearances: 7
Tackles: 7
Marks: 4 (1 contested)
Score involvements: 5
Goals: 1

Grundy & Cox:
Hitouts: 33
Clearances: 8
Tackles: 4
Marks: 2 (1 contested)
Score involvements: 1
Goals: 0

Based off watching the game and viewing the stats, I think our boys more than held their own. Better yet, with one Grundy contract we could probably afford four Oscars and Forts lol.

Honestly after halftime I thought Oscar got the better of Grundy. Fort did some nice things in the first half. Nowhere near our biggest issue at the moment.

 

[lioninthesand]

Watched again in the cold light of day and without a belly full of beer.

My initial post last night probably a bit emotional.

We controlled that game and a team with Grundy, Pendles, Degoey, Adams, Sidebottom, Crisp and the Daicos bros are always going create opportunities between the arcs.

We played well and looked like a decent/mature team.

These wins happen, Melb vs GC/Dons, Sydney vs Roos last week, Cats VS pies.

Still made it harder than it needs to be and 100% need to improve in lots of areas - but a good little win in the scheme of things.