Preview Round 5, 2022: St.Kilda v Gold Coast - Marvel Stadium, Saturday 16th April, 1:45PM AEST

[Myles David]

Not sure you have to be running flat our for it to be a bump.

Call it what you will though, but he had other options

When you have a guy coming at you at full pace and perform that act you are a chance to cause damage to the head because there is still going to be two players hitting each other at pace

Get low and brace to tackle or reach for the smother.

Tell me what the other options were because the options you listed aren't realistic. Remember that this happened in less than a second, in a game that requires you to tackle the opponent. You won't and can't give a logical alternative.

 

[Munga]

Yes it's all Days fault...

Pressuring the kick would have been sticking you arms up, trying to get a touch on the footy or at least making the window to kick into smaller.

It's pressuring the player, not the kick. It doesn't matter if there's a kick, handball, fumble etc. We pressure the player, that's what we did all match.

It's harsh, but it is 100% Day's fault. Paddy runs to Day and stops. Day kicks the ball then diverts into Paddy. Paddy is being suspended for an incognisant player.

 

[Sheeza69]

Didnt say it was all Days fault but your implying its all Paddys fault.

In truth Paddy making the decision to go toward Day (arms up or not) is pressuring him, if he didnt, if he just followed his opponent Day just waltzes through the middle of the MCG. Just encroaching on the space is pressuring him.

Again, ive said for a while i fully expected him to get a week (regardless of the fact i dont think it actually deserves it) but trying to say this makes sense cause of MRP process and logic is horribly flawed.

It gets two weeks cause MC has decided it does, no precedent or logic.

We would've reluctantly accepted a week, but 2 weeks is not on.. We have precedents as English & Rioli's bump the last few weeks have set the precedent. The problem is that the AFL have decided that the outcome of the bump determines the innocence or the guilt of the player who decides to bump..
Paddy needs to change his name to Joel or Buddy who have dished out plenty though avoided suspension time & time again..

 

[bird_man]

Tell me what the other options were because the options you listed aren't realistic. Remember that this happened in less than a second, in a game that requires you to tackle the opponent. You won't and can't give a logical alternative.

Not sure why running towards a player and trying to either smother a kick or putting your hands out to pressure were not options...

 

[my name was taken]

We would've reluctantly accepted a week, but 2 weeks is not on.. We have precedents as English & Rioli's bump the last few weeks have set the precedent. The problem is that the AFL have decided that the outcome of the bump determines the innocence or the guilt of the player who decides to bump..
Paddy needs to change his name to Joel or Buddy who have dished out plenty though avoided suspension time & time again..

Should ask a boxer the difference a few cm's can make in accuracy of a punch for a KO. Hitting the right spot is more important than maximum force. The AFL fails to see this point, so a concussion is deemed "excessive force" and a lengthy ban when 50 other knocks with much more force but luckily not in the sweet spot get less. Figure that one out

Waiting for the day someone gets knocked out by a knee to the back of the head and the result is mark of the year.

 

[The Punter]

The thing that annoys me is that the AFL is serious about protecting the head... sometimes. Both the English and Ryder events were as likely to cause a concussion as the other - but only one did. Both should receive the same penalty.

MacKay basically liquified Hunter Clark

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's jaw, and because Adelaide were getting creamed and needed to draw a line in the sand - no repercussions from the AFL, or us as a team to be truthful.

The AFL is either serious about stopping concussions or it is not serious. And being serious means being consistent.

 

[Joffaboy]

Should ask a boxer the difference a few cm's can make in accuracy of a punch for a KO. Hitting the right spot is more important than maximum force. The AFL fails to see this point, so a concussion is deemed "excessive force" and a lengthy ban when 50 other knocks with much more force but luckily not in the sweet spot get less. Figure that one out

Waiting for the day someone gets knocked out by a knee to the back of the head and the result is mark of the year.

Don't have to wait, the precedent of Clarke last year is enough. Head real sacrosanct and must be protected in that case. Yup

 

[Sun Ra]

Should ask a boxer the difference a few cm's can make in accuracy of a punch for a KO. Hitting the right spot is more important than maximum force. The AFL fails to see this point, so a concussion is deemed "excessive force" and a lengthy ban when 50 other knocks with much more force but luckily not in the sweet spot get less. Figure that one out

Waiting for the day someone gets knocked out by a knee to the back of the head and the result is mark of the year.

Exactly, if Paddy had dropped down to avoid a high collision, taken the knee, and got a knee to the head ( and concussion ) for his troubles,
would Day have been facing the same deal ?

 

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[The_Steadier]

Billings will probably win the Norm Smith this year!

And inn classic stkilda style- one of the few to do it in a losing team no doubt!

 

[The Punter]

In all seriousness, Jones, Clark and Billings should earn their spots back.

 

[Elvis Winmar]

We’ve won our past five games against the Gold Coast by a combined total of 20 points. 9 points the biggest margin, 1 point the narrowest margin.

That is absolutely nuts.

 

[my name was taken]

In all seriousness, Jones, Clark and Billings should earn their spots back.

Since when do we win any game by 69 points with 5 obvious best 22 out. Interesting position we have moving forward and one we haven't seen in a long time.

No Billings, Coff, Higgins, Jones or Clark.

Winning gives us the luxury of putting them (exc Higgins) through their paces at Sandy, especially as our gameplay is built on contesting pressure, I don't want to see Billings come immediately back in and he misses contests by 3 steps resulting in a full rebound by the opposition.

 

[aussierulesrules]

We’ve won our past five games against the Gold Coast by a combined total of 20 points. 9 points the biggest margin, 1 point the narrowest margin.

That is absolutely nuts.

Were any of them in Melbourne?

 

[MickG88]

A guy named Shane Mumford

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used to mow guys down and the media would lap it up, exclaiming a joyful glee every time he nearly killed someone but a player runs into another and gets concussed, the same media personalities are now calling for Ryder to be he hung in the town centre. It's a joke.

 

[longlivelenny]

Clark, Jones and billings have been out for long enough now that I reckon all 3 of them will have to come back through the twos, as long as the rest of the group stay healthy. If I’m honest, billings is no guarantee to be best 22 at all. What does he add to the current team that we don’t have?

Billings is not the best player going around but he is definitely better on a wing and gives more than wood. I would make the swap every day of the week

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[StCicatriz]

The thing that annoys me is that the AFL is serious about protecting the head... sometimes. Both the English and Ryder events were as likely to cause a concussion as the other - but only one did. Both should receive the same penalty.

MacKay basically liquified Hunter Clark's jaw, and because Adelaide were getting creamed and needed to draw a line in the sand - no repercussions from the AFL, or us as a team to be truthful.

The AFL is either serious about stopping concussions or it is not serious. And being serious means being consistent.

100% this

i am happy that ryder is suspended, but what i'm not happy with is the double standards. it's absolutely all over the shop.

consistency is the key.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

The thing that annoys me is that the AFL is serious about protecting the head... sometimes. Both the English and Ryder events were as likely to cause a concussion as the other - but only one did. Both should receive the same penalty.

MacKay basically liquified Hunter Clark's jaw, and because Adelaide were getting creamed and needed to draw a line in the sand - no repercussions from the AFL, or us as a team to be truthful.

The AFL is either serious about stopping concussions or it is not serious. And being serious means being consistent.

If they were serious about reducing head injuries they would give Breust about 6 weeks with all the ducking and diving he did that game alone.

I reckon the AFL has around 5 years of watchability the way it is snowballing downhill.

 

[StCicatriz]

Christian has demanded players change their techniques:

there's a typo in your post, what it meant to read was:
"Christian has demanded st kilda players change their techniques, everyone else is ok:"

 

[BrutThough]

Were any of them in Melbourne?

The 2nd one in that run was - rd1 2019.

 

[The Punter]

If they were serious about reducing head injuries they would give Breust about 6 weeks with all the ducking and diving he did that game alone.

I reckon the AFL has around 5 years of watchability the way it is snowballing downhill.

If he didn't receive free kicks for it, he wouldn't do it. But alas, it was still productive for him as recently as Sunday.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

If he didn't receive free kicks for it, he wouldn't do it. But alas, it was still productive for him as recently as Sunday.

Exactly. Hypocrisy and virtue signalling as is seemingly the case in every ****ing aspect of life these days.

 

[StCicatriz]

its should be pretty damn obvious by now that the issue is players turning their body into the play... thats what causes the majority of concussions against a guy whos running at the play face on.

thats what makes the hunter clark

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one so frustrating its literally the exact same action as Ryder's except the guy is going at breakneck speed. imagine if hunters head was more front on, we aint talking about a broken jaw anymore we are talking about a spinal injury.

yet they've thrown that one out but then you get to Long and suddenly its all about the action and the POTENTIAL to cause injury.

i mean for crying out loud, this isn't rocket surgery!!!

its actually pretty damn simple!

suspend the adelaide guy was 2-4 weeks. impact extremely high, high breaks someones jaw. no regard for the welfare of the incoming player.
ryder gets a week because the guy was concussed, but he atleast was going flat stick.
long gets off because no one was concussed and the impact was not high enough (forget this potential bullshit)
english like long gets off because no one was concussed and the impact was not high enough
rioli gets off because no one was concussed and the impact was not high enough (forget this potential bullshit)

if you elect to bump and go side on, if the players is hurt, you're missing games. its pretty simple.

 

[#gosaintas]

In all seriousness, Jones, Clark and Billings should earn their spots back.

would you really play all 3 at Sandy?
Jones for me walks straight back in.
The other two not.

 

[longlivelenny]

People defending paddy are delusional he was running towards day, slowed down but still dropped his shoulder into the chest and bumped him straight on. If you actually think he was just bracing himself then you are crazy and should watch it again.
It wasn't malicious, it wasn't high, but it was absolutely a bump and the kid got concussed. Two weeks seems harsh but he was always going to get a week off.
Hopefully he can get it down to one at the tribunal.

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