Preview Round 5, 2022: St.Kilda v Gold Coast - Marvel Stadium, Saturday 16th April, 1:45PM AEST

[bird_man]

He didn’t choose to bump though. If he had chosen to bump he would have put Day into next week. He stopped and braced for Day to run into him, which he duly did.

Choosing to bump and bracing for contact are two completely different things.

Not sure you have to be running flat our for it to be a bump.

Call it what you will though, but he had other options

When you have a guy coming at you at full pace and perform that act you are a chance to cause damage to the head because there is still going to be two players hitting each other at pace

Get low and brace to tackle or reach for the smother.

 

[Sun Ra]

Not sure you have to be running flat our for it to be a bump.

Call it what you will though, but he had other options

When you have a guy coming at you at full pace and perform that act you are a chance to cause damage to the head because there is still going to be two players hitting each other at pace

Get low and brace to tackle or reach for the smother.

The other option Paddy had which nobody has mentioned was to lie flat on the ground and let Day run over him. Could give away a tripping free however.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Not sure you have to be running flat our for it to be a bump.

Call it what you will though, but he had other options

When you have a guy coming at you at full pace and perform that act you are a chance to cause damage to the head because there is still going to be two players hitting each other at pace

Get low and brace to tackle or reach for the smother.

I would have thought he was actively trying not to bump. He had either stopped, or was rapidly decelerating, which I would have thought is pretty much the opposite of trying to bump someone.

You had two guys running towards each other and both had every right to do so and then they’ve collided, which happens in a collision sport. Had Ryder not turned to protect himself Day would have gotten him flush in the chest.

Had Ryder alternatively gotten down low to tackle he would have been putting his own head in harms way, so if that’s what they’re wanting/expecting them to do now, I’m not sure that’s going to do anything to reduce the overall number of concussions. As it will be those in Ryder’s position getting concussed, rather than those in Days.

As for the smother, I think he would have if he’d been close enough.

 

[aussierulesrules]

The other option Paddy had which nobody has mentioned was to lie flat on the ground and let Day run over him. Could give away a tripping free however.

Or as they suggested on the AFL website, run in the other direction once he saw Day coming near him. Just to make sure no one gets hurt.

 

[Saints TV]

Or as they suggested on the AFL website, run in the other direction once he saw Day coming near him.

Yep that is definitely what they teach you at training. Just run away from the oppo. Yep.

 

[luca77]

It was Paddy’s duty to come off his line and engage him though, otherwise Day would have just merrily kept on running, so it’s not like that was an unreasonable thing to do.

But once Day disposed of the ball and it was probably too late for Paddy to take evasive action, what were his options?

The only ones I’m seeing are

1- What he did, which was stop and brace for contact

2- Tackle him, even though he’d already disposed of the ball, which would of course incur a free kick or 50m penalty

3- Get down lower to reduce the risk of getting Day high, but in doing so, greatly increase the risk of getting hit high himself, which still results in the unwanted overall outcome of someone potentially getting concussed.

If Gerard Whately wasn’t able to come up with a better answer than “not what he did”, after 24 hours, what hope did Paddy have in a split second? And what is the answer to what should he have done?

Because I’m yet to hear anyone who’s come up with what I would consider an adequate answer to that question.

He could have caught him in a big gentle caress. Not a tackle, more like a soft, brief hug. That would've been a nice moment.

 

[Pbft]

He could have caught him in a big gentle caress. Not a tackle, more like a soft, brief hug. That would've been a nice moment.

It is what it is now regarding Paddy.

I just want to see consistency moving forward.

 

[aussierulesrules]

He could have caught him in a big gentle caress. Not a tackle, more like a soft, brief hug. That would've been a nice moment.

I know that’s a joke, but even if he’d tried that they still would have collided at decent speed and they probably would have clashed heads

 

[BrutThough]

Ryder is still one of the best ruckmen around but we all know he is in the twilight of his career and we have to start to realize he will not be around for ever and Marshall has to start to up his game.
Marshall has only played 69 games and is taller and 10kg heaver than Paddy so in all reality he should be a way better tap ruckman than what he is actually showing.
For instance Tom Hickey was a very mediocre ruckman up until he went to Sydney where he has upped his performance in the ruck and at the age of 31 it has taken time and as they say most rucks don't actually hit there straps until they get to the late 20s.
So playing against Witts should be a good challenge for Marshall and size wise he matches up ok being 8cm shorter and 6kg less in weight is not all that bad compared to Ryder who weighs 16kg less and 12cm shorter.
We all know Ryder makes up for the weight and size with his leap and is one of the best tap rucks around but it's time for Marshall to take it to the better ruckmen and I'm sure he can.

Even if Marshall can halve the contest at best it should help enormously in getting a advantage in the midfield , to me our biggest problem is Miller , the guy is at the peak of his game and I rate one of the best 3 midfielders running around.
He has the running ability of Hill but can win contested ball , he is there trump card.
GWS were so worried about Miller they had 2 players tag him out of the game , the reason he is so good is his speed and our midfield is lacking in this department - this is why when Jones comes back it should help tremendously.

Anyway our midfielders can blunt there midfield by our pressure , contested possessions and tackling which hopefully will work in our favor.

Apart from there midfield we have them more than covered , we have role players who are exceptional and only get a small mention from the media when we win like Wilkie how he made Gunston look average.
Lienert has also slotted into this role and his best asset is his disposal which when I watched the replay against Hawthorn was elite.

Our forward line to me is the best in the AFL with King , Membery , Higgins , Gresham and Butler.

So in all I do expect us to win this game however we know no game is easy and if we don't bring our attack on the football we will lose like Carlton.
We need to win this game and win well , increase our % and just keep building the belief in the team.
A loss to the Gold Coast will be a massive blow knowing the fallout will knock the confidence out of the team with the media piling on like usual.

With the likes of Billings , Clark and Jones out of the team we know our side has massive upside.

Sometimes I think we forgot how good of a player Marshall is in his own right. A lot of clubs would love to have someone of his quality as their number 1 ruck. We have the luxury of being able to play two gun rucks but Marshall can cause a headache for the opposition on his own.

 

[sammm]

I think we've probably got our house in order off field just in time. Need to make another big dent into the debt this year though to keep the external noise at bay. With Moorabbin set up so well now and the Danny Frawley centre in place, we have a few things that set us up for the long term. If we can play finals this year and make a dent into the debt again, we should have a pretty smooth under the new CEO. Hopefully they go for someone from clubland like Gale, rather than an AFL suit like Auld.

from what Finnis was saying earlier inthe year we will make another bid dent int he debt. and if we continue playing well. it will also help.

 

[StCicatriz]

Kick forward......is that a stat now? LMFAO

Ross lyon dislikes this stat

 

[StCicatriz]

Guys, I think I’m falling in love with Seb Ross again…

I've gotta admit he starting to lay on the charm like an ex missus rocking up to your door with a brand new car and 7 figure income

Suddenly she's looking mighty nice again

 

[StCicatriz]

Apparently Lukosius was on crutches and getting scans done yesty.

Obviously you didn't reverse over him hard enough if he's just getting scans!!!

 

[aussierulesrules]

Obviously you didn't reverse over him hard enough if he's just getting scans!!!

I know, my bad.

 

[StCicatriz]

Clark, Jones and billings have been out for long enough now that I reckon all 3 of them will have to come back through the twos, as long as the rest of the group stay healthy. If I’m honest, billings is no guarantee to be best 22 at all. What does he add to the current team that we don’t have?

Billings is like a bout of gastro.... absolutely shits me and when I think I'm doing hes making me throw up.

Hes gonna have to earn his spot back the hard way. I'm talking 3 weeks for 30 disposal VFL games where he's kicked 1 or 2 goals a game.

He just irritates the absolute **** out of me. He's like a bad financial advisor. You sit there going "how much am I paying this guy and for what so he can sit there and smirk and act like he's the shit"

Before you know it ya portfolio is down 20% and he's still ****in smirking.

 

[bird_man]

I would have thought he was actively trying not to bump. He had either stopped, or was rapidly decelerating, which I would have thought is pretty much the opposite of trying to bump someone.

You had two guys running towards each other and both had every right to do so and then they’ve collided, which happens in a collision sport. Had Ryder not turned to protect himself Day would have gotten him flush in the chest.

Had Ryder alternatively gotten down low to tackle he would have been putting his own head in harms way, so if that’s what they’re wanting/expecting them to do now, I’m not sure that’s going to do anything to reduce the overall number of concussions. As it will be those in Ryder’s position getting concussed, rather than those in Days.

As for the smother, I think he would have if he’d been close enough.

If he had have been preparimg to tackle or smother he would not have got himself into that situation

I don't think he was too far away to try and get a finger on the ball. He may not have been able to get a decent smother but could have affected the kick and out pressure on Day

 

[bird_man]

Billings is like a bout of gastro.... absolutely shits me and when I think I'm doing hes making me throw up.

Hes gonna have to earn his spot back the hard way. I'm talking 3 weeks for 30 disposal VFL games where he's kicked 1 or 2 goals a game.

He just irritates the absolute fu** out of me. He's like a bad financial advisor. You sit there going "how much am I paying this guy and for what so he can sit there and smirk and act like he's the shit"

Before you know it ya portfolio is down 20% and he's still fu**in smirking.

Billings isn't doing 3 weeks in the VFL

One maybe to get some run in the legs

Not sure he's on a huge contract either

 

[StCicatriz]

This could be the game Max kicks an absolute bag

I think we absolutely need to keep the kids in. There's a bit of winning culture going on right now. We need players like windhager and NAS to get exposed to that as much as possible.

 

[lewdogs]

Billings is like a bout of gastro.... absolutely shits me and when I think I'm doing hes making me throw up.

Hes gonna have to earn his spot back the hard way. I'm talking 3 weeks for 30 disposal VFL games where he's kicked 1 or 2 goals a game.

He just irritates the absolute fu** out of me. He's like a bad financial advisor. You sit there going "how much am I paying this guy and for what so he can sit there and smirk and act like he's the shit"

Before you know it ya portfolio is down 20% and he's still fu**in smirking.

With the way the whipping boys have all been firing, Billings will probably win the Norm Smith this year!

 

[StCicatriz]

Billings isn't doing 3 weeks in the VFL

One maybe to get some run in the legs

Not sure he's on a huge contract either

What I want vs reality here

Some have father Christmas... I have billings actually getting a cup full of cement, gulping it down and hardening up.

 

[StCicatriz]

With the way the whipping boys have all been firing, Billings will probably win the Norm Smith this year!

Thats the plan!!!!!

Spends 3 weeks in the VFL then first game back gets 50 possessions and kicks 11.35

 

[Munga]

What happened to Jimmy?

Something like a corky? I'm not sure, but I thought I saw him with something strapped to a leg late/after the game. He got crunched in a contest, I think it was with Wilkie.

 

[Sun Ra]

I know that’s a joke, but even if he’d tried that they still would have collided at decent speed and they probably would have clashed heads

Also would give away a free.

 

[lewdogs]

This could be the game Max kicks an absolute bag

I think we absolutely need to keep the kids in. There's a bit of winning culture going on right now. We need players like windhager and NAS to get exposed to that as much as possible.

I'd like to keep Windy in but then who comes out for Higgins?

On another note I was fantasising about when we get Clark back soon. How good will we look then?!

 

[aussierulesrules]

If he had have been preparimg to tackle or smother he would not have got himself into that situation

How? What do you think he was going into that situation to do?

I mean when someone’s running towards you with the ball I would imagine your main thought would be to try and tackle him (if he keeps holding onto the ball), to smother, if he kicks it and you’re close enough, and these days especially a distant third would be to bump him.

And I have no reason to think he went into that situation planning on bumping him, but once Day kicked the ball and tackling was off the table, and he wasn’t close enough to smother and that was off the table, and bumping isn’t really allowed in that situation any more, I think he just did about all he could, which was to try and stop, to avoid a big collision, and to turn to protect his chest- which would just be an instinctive move for almost anyone to make, when they see that someone’s about to crash into them at speed.