Preview Round 6 Suns v Lions Sun 14th April @ 4:10 PM Brisbane Time @ Metricon

[irel]

Abbot

What’s on second, I Don’t Know is on third

 

[knaf]

Just re Mitch.

I’d like to get Kiddy into the side soon and see Dev get a run, but in the first quarter against the Woods when we fairly ordinary Mitch had 9 disposals and 3 tackles. Highest for us in both categories. DE percentages at 55% in the first quarter but 70% across the game. also across the game he was amongst the leaders for metres gained and pressure acts.

yes he seems to have trouble keeping his feet at times, but I think rumours of his demise might be a little overstated.

 

[martinson]

In an era where skills by foot are critical elements of the game we have drafted at least two in the last draft who can't kick to save themselves. Willmot and Tunstill. We have senior players in the 22 with deplorable foot skills as well. I look at some of the best coaches in the world such as Guardiola, Klopp etc.... You would not get within a hundred meters of the training field if you come to training with substandard skills. How does this happen is truly perplexing in our game.

I've been thinking about this myself.

Of all the skills it takes to be an effective AFL player the most important and and impactful skill overall is kicking to advantage. Presuming you have the capacity to get the ball.

It's horrendous how many can't do it even without pressure.

It's something that can be learnt. The harder part is the decision process under pressure. A few players can do it consistently. Most just kick it and hope.

 

[KissKiss]

Just re Mitch.

I’d like to get Kiddy into the side soon and see Dev get a run, but in the first quarter against the Woods when we fairly ordinary Mitch had 9 disposals and 3 tackles. Highest for us in both categories. DE percentages at 55% in the first quarter but 70% across the game. also across the game he was amongst the leaders for metres gained and pressure acts.

yes he seems to have trouble keeping his feet at times, but I think rumours of his demise might be a little overstated.

Im not convinced by some of his DE% and metres gained as I think a lot are blind kicks long down the line. I accept this is part of our game plan - stoppage win ball go back from the contest to Robbo to kick over his shoulder up the line is a staple of our game for years now. But I do start to think we can do better than that

 

[Sanchez365]

Im not convinced by some of his DE% and metres gained as I think a lot are blind kicks long down the line. I accept this is part of our game plan - stoppage win ball go back from the contest to Robbo to kick over his shoulder up the line is a staple of our game for years now. But I do start to think we can do better than that

I think it's more we have to do better then that. With our mids not being anywhere near as dominant at stoppages, the strategy just doesnt work as well.

It's the same problem I have with Answerth who seems to do a similar thing.

 

[M Malice]

I've been thinking about this myself.

Of all the skills it takes to be an effective AFL player the most important and and impactful skill overall is kicking to advantage. Presuming you have the capacity to get the ball.

It's horrendous how many can't do it even without pressure.

It's something that can be learnt. The harder part is the decision process under pressure. A few players can do it consistently. Most just kick it and hope.

A few more with the vision, calmness and foot skills of Hugh McCluggage would come in handy.

I think Keidean Coleman shows signs that he could be a consistent high level user of the footy.

On another note one facet of our game that hasn't improved under Fages is our kickouts, Richy seems even more hesitant now, looks completely lost most of the time standing at the top of the square looking for options and giving the opposition time to get set up, we very rarely go the quick kick out option, maybe get Zorks to take a few more kick ins now that he is playing back and see how he goes.

 

[Dalions]

A few more with the vision, calmness and foot skills of Hugh McCluggage would come in handy.

I think Keidean Coleman shows signs that he could be a consistent high level user of the footy.

On another note one facet of our game that hasn't improved under Fages is our kickouts, Richy seems even more hesitant now, looks completely lost most of the time standing at the top of the square looking for options and giving the opposition time to get set up, we very rarely go the quick kick out option, maybe get Zorks to take a few more kick ins now that he is playing back and see how he goes.

Richy seems to have lost confidence with his short kicking.
So resorts to the long kick most of the time.

 

[martinson]

A few more with the vision, calmness and foot skills of Hugh McCluggage would come in handy.

I think Keidean Coleman shows signs that he could be a consistent high level user of the footy.

On another note one facet of our game that hasn't improved under Fages is our kickouts, Richy seems even more hesitant now, looks completely lost most of the time standing at the top of the square looking for options and giving the opposition time to get set up, we very rarely go the quick kick out option, maybe get Zorks to take a few more kick ins now that he is playing back and see how he goes.

Rich's foot skills seem to have become a bit more erratic since Zorko emerged . Likely no correlation , or does he look a little less a genius at it looking at Zorko or is Zorko taking some of the ones where he otherwise would have been the kicker ?

We definitely take too long with the kickouts and that's obviously due to waiting for the set up we've rehearsed. We need to be taking more risks to win the ultimate prize and has Zorko has demonstrated we have the capacity.

 

[dlanod]

On another note one facet of our game that hasn't improved under Fages is our kickouts, Richy seems even more hesitant now, looks completely lost most of the time standing at the top of the square looking for options and giving the opposition time to get set up, we very rarely go the quick kick out option, maybe get Zorks to take a few more kick ins now that he is playing back and see how he goes.

Given our decade long strategy of "kick it short to the pocket, kick it long to an outnumbered ruckman, watch it go back over our head for a goal" that ceased with Fagan's arrival, I strongly dispute that.

 

[Tom14]

Given our decade long strategy of "kick it short to the pocket, kick it long to an outnumbered ruckman, watch it go back over our head for a goal" that ceased with Fagan's arrival, I strongly dispute that.

The team kicking the ball from a kick in is way more likely to concede goals than the other way round. Our reasonably conservative approach is fine.

I watched port adelaide kick it to the corner of the centre square for 3 years and all it did in our games with them was lead to a turnover where Harris punched the ball back i50. No thank you to more kick in innovation.

 

[M Malice]

 

[knaf]

Im not convinced by some of his DE% and metres gained as I think a lot are blind kicks long down the line. I accept this is part of our game plan - stoppage win ball go back from the contest to Robbo to kick over his shoulder up the line is a staple of our game for years now. But I do start to think we can do better than that

I dont particularly like DE myself. Statistics don’t tell the whole story. I quoted DE in my post to acknowledge that Mitch does have some issues with disposal.

However DE and MG together are, I believe, a stronger indication of a player‘s value.

Most importantly I value players who get the ball when things are tough. when a player is ranking high in Disposals, DE, MG and PAs and the team is behind on the score board, I acknowledge that statistics are telling us something.

 

[martinson]

The team kicking the ball from a kick in is way more likely to concede goals than the other way round. Our reasonably conservative approach is fine.

I watched port adelaide kick it to the corner of the centre square for 3 years and all it did in our games with them was lead to a turnover where Harris punched the ball back i50. No thank you to more kick in innovation.

I agree that a defensive approach is better than the alternative if you're doing one or the other all the time but maybe we could experiment with the angles or the side we go when opportunities arise. The opposition also know where it's going nearly every time. We have the players now to get just a little more aggressive.

 

[M Malice]

I agree that a defensive approach is better than the alternative if you're doing one or the other all the time but maybe we could experiment with the angles or the side we go when opportunities arise. The opposition also know where it's going nearly every time. We have the players now to get just a little more aggressive.

Yep, I'm not suggesting we go the high risk kick at every kick in, just be more alert to a change up if it presents, get the ball out of the bag quickly and scan for options.

 

[Gadzorks]

Yep, I'm not suggesting we go the high risk kick at every kick in, just be more alert to a change up if if presents, get the ball out of the bag quickly and scan for options.

When you watch the game from an elevated position you can see where players are. When you watch from ground level, which is the players perspective, it's very different.

The other reality is the players know how zone defence works, and are very good judges in how much distance opposition players can cover.

I'd be willing to bet that players do actually look for options. And change their kicks accordingly.

 

[Mr Ripper]

I've been thinking about this myself.

Of all the skills it takes to be an effective AFL player the most important and and impactful skill overall is kicking to advantage. Presuming you have the capacity to get the ball.

It's horrendous how many can't do it even without pressure.

It's something that can be learnt. The harder part is the decision process under pressure. A few players can do it consistently. Most just kick it and hope.

Pretty damning on selection processes for elite junior squads that so many poorly skilled players make it right through to draft day. But at least they can run, hey. Maybe all the good kicks go to state schools.

 

[KissKiss]

Someone posted a site recently that had stats around centre bounce attendance. On another page it had kick in stats. From memory Rich was still one of the best in the comp in terms of accuracy, retention and I think transitioning it into attack. Zorko had the second most kickins but was no where near as successful. I dont know if much changed in the last game but Im not sure we are struggling with our kicks when looking at other teams

 

[Nunez]

In an era where skills by foot are critical elements of the game we have drafted at least two in the last draft who can't kick to save themselves. Willmot and Tunstill. We have senior players in the 22 with deplorable foot skills as well. I look at some of the best coaches in the world such as Guardiola, Klopp etc.... You would not get within a hundred meters of the training field if you come to training with substandard skills. How does this happen is truly perplexing in our game.

I think Wilmot will surprise you with his kicking. Don't judge him off limited VFL footage - is a much better kick than he's been thus far.

 

[mattsmob]

I think Wilmot will surprise you with his kicking. Don't judge him off limited VFL footage - is a much better kick than he's been thus far.

I’m thinking he should improve as the season goes on, his main issue has been kicking to poor targets meaning any slight skill error results in a turnover. Goes both ways though, only a couple days ago everyone was praising how good Langdon is and he is certainly in the bottom half of the league in terms of skills but he’s a way above average athlete and knows where he needs to be during the game.

 

[chopperduck]

Who's on first

What?

 

[bungalow_bill]

Sunday evenings are the absolute worst time slot.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Sunday evenings are the absolute worst time slot.

Not so bad if it's before a public holiday.

 

[Fizzer Kellity]

Sexton will probably come in and kick 6

 

[jonnobackpocket]

What’s this about AFL players having bad skills.? Load of rubbish, if any AFL player was to drop down and play any other standard their skills would be outstanding. The lack of time to make a choice and then execute the skill due to the extreme pressure of AFL is the only reason at times they miss targets. Go to training and watch they are faultless.

 

[FeastOrFamine]

Sunday evenings are the absolute worst time slot.

Agreed, they're utter garbage

Gonna be torture going to school after getting home from the SCG at around midnight