Preview Round 7, 2020: Hawthorn v Melbourne, 19 July 2020, 3.35pm @ Giants Stadium

[eldorado]

Fear The Beard?

 

[killerspud]

Keegan Brookksby to come in smash Gawn and take his first steps towards an unlikely but inevitable Brownlow.


In isolation I bring my A game

 

[Bugs1977]

This has been my biggest issue with why there is congestion in the AFL.

The AFL have basically built under 9 midget stadiums from the 80's everywhere including etihad sorry marvel.

Every time you build a smaller stadium than Fitzroy Reds (I'll leave it up to the historical Victorians to work out where it is) you congest the game.

How do you uncongest the game... set the MCG as the minimum standard.

Never saw a congested game at VFL park in my life, Marvel always regarded it as a toy ground, to find out Adelaide, GWS aren't even close is the reason we have an issue. It's an AFL orchestrated issue by building smaller grounds.

If players have less space to work in they will be more crowded, which causes more congestion.

I like this post 1,000,000,000 times. I so wish we had to play the rest of the season at Optus Stadium.

 

[Gralin]

Get that spew bucket ready then

I'm actually really disappointed in this board. Time was someone would have posted at least a bad Photoshop of one of them in a Hawks jumper by now at the very least

 

[Mercy Seat]

This has been my biggest issue with why there is congestion in the AFL.

The AFL have basically built under 9 midget stadiums from the 80's everywhere including etihad sorry marvel.

Every time you build a smaller stadium than Fitzroy Reds (I'll leave it up to the historical Victorians to work out where it is) you congest the game.

How do you uncongest the game... set the MCG as the minimum standard.

Never saw a congested game at VFL park in my life, Marvel always regarded it as a toy ground, to find out Adelaide, GWS aren't even close is the reason we have an issue. It's an AFL orchestrated issue by building smaller grounds.

If players have less space to work in they will be more crowded, which causes more congestion.

Ross Lyon just did a big segment on this on Footy Classified, more specifically with the Hawks. Basically said our game plan dominates on the bigger, wider grounds, and falls to pieces completely when it’s 10+m narrower. Also says that oppo coaches know this and exploit it well.

 

[Brishawk]

Ross Lyon just did a big segment on this on Footy Classified, more specifically with the Hawks. Basically said our game plan dominates on the bigger, wider grounds, and falls to pieces completely when it’s 10+m narrower. Also says that oppo coaches know this and exploit it well.

Every time we play on the narrow ground we keep trying to play around the boundary and defend like we expect them to do the same and every time they go down the middle of the field to shorten the way home. It is easier to get it into the corridor from the boundary line on the narrow field because it is closer. Teams get lost on the wide ground against us but not so on the narrow. The risk reward ratio of going down the middle on a narrow ground is better than it is on the wide grounds.

 

[Gralin]

Ross Lyon just did a big segment on this on Footy Classified, more specifically with the Hawks. Basically said our game plan dominates on the bigger, wider grounds, and falls to pieces completely when it’s 10+m narrower. Also says that oppo coaches know this and exploit it well.

WA teams have struggled MCG tenants in general have struggled.
It's not a normal season and that MCG advantyfor finals could disappear this year as well.
Be interesting

 

[Bugs1977]

Ross Lyon just did a big segment on this on Footy Classified, more specifically with the Hawks. Basically said our game plan dominates on the bigger, wider grounds, and falls to pieces completely when it’s 10+m narrower. Also says that oppo coaches know this and exploit it well.

I just wish Clarko would come up with a modified / tweaked game plan for when we play these thinner grounds. I guess it’s easier said than done. No one could’ve forecast that there would be a pandemic that led to us playing a huge amount of games on Giants Stadium and another one on GHMBA with the SCG next and who knows where else afterwards.

 

[HAWKSBESTEVA]

It doesn’t take a genius to Figure out how to play narrow grounds. Play through the ****ing corridor

 

[Gralin]

It doesn’t take a genius to Figure out how to play narrow grounds. Play through the ******* corridor

This isn't unique to us. How often do we see teams fail to adapt to conditions.

Geelong spend more time playing and training at KP than anyone as an example. Beyond knowing the ground when it gets stressful and you revert to instinct over anything if your instincts match the conditions it works if they don't it doesn't.

 

[HAWKSBESTEVA]

This isn't unique to us. How often do we see teams fail to adapt to conditions.

Geelong spend more time playing and training at KP than anyone as an example. Beyond knowing the ground when it gets stressful and you revert to instinct over anything if your instincts match the conditions it works if they don't it doesn't.

We never try play through the corridor, soon as the game starts we revert to the boring sideways/go backwards possession game that gets us nowhere

 

[Tuck In]

We are such a predictable team to watch she moment in as much as you can tell by our first 5 mins if we are 'on' and more importantly if we are likely to be able to deal with adversity. I guage it by how we hand ball in and around the first few dunces - the hot potato to man under pressure or the no look loop tell me it's a bad day.

I think we need on field leadership to demonstrate the standards of skill and desire at these time and I don't see it.

 

[Wizzmania]

Where’s that opposition supporter from last week who had the inside word on Day and Morris? What’s he got for us this week?

Opposition supporter?

 

[thejockey]

Ross Lyon just did a big segment on this on Footy Classified, more specifically with the Hawks. Basically said our game plan dominates on the bigger, wider grounds, and falls to pieces completely when it’s 10+m narrower. Also says that oppo coaches know this and exploit it well.

His right , but opposition and coaches have pretty much known that for years now .
I think there is a very simple reason we are getting exposed now .

2012-2016 - gun side with talent and leadership on every line
2017-now - average/middle side with holes and weak spots over the field

 

[thejockey]

I just wish Clarko would come up with a modified / tweaked game plan for when we play these thinner grounds. I guess it’s easier said than done. No one could’ve forecast that there would be a pandemic that led to us playing a huge amount of games on Giants Stadium and another one on GHMBA with the SCG next and who knows where else afterwards.

I know but it isnt that easy.

Game plans are so structered that a minimal change takes ages to incorporate .
It makes sense to have a game 'suited' to home , where finals and the GF is .

We are exposed now more due to personal and confidence .

 

[TylerDurden]

It doesn’t take a genius to Figure out how to play narrow grounds. Play through the ******* corridor

This will be our 3rd crack at it. Surely we have a plan B here now.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

I know but it isnt that easy.

Game plans are so structered that a minimal change takes ages to incorporate .
It makes sense to have a game 'suited' to home , where finals and the GF is .

We are exposed now more due to personal and confidence .

We had 2 Months to tweak the game plan when we were on hiatus. Surely we would have known their was a chance we wouldn't be playing regular home games at the G with all the uncertainty that was swirling around. Clarko has been caught out I reckon and now it's too late to really change things up. He will stick with the plan with maybe a few minor tweaks so we're a bit more offensive. Getting key personnel back into the team will help immensely with this.

 

[Brishawk]

We had 2 Months to tweak the game plan when we were on hiatus. Surely we would have known their was a chance we wouldn't be playing regular home games at the G with all the uncertainty that was swirling around. Clarko has been caught out I reckon and now it's too late to really change things up. He will stick with the plan with maybe a few minor tweaks so we're a bit more offensive. Getting key personnel back into the team will help immensely with this.

The 2 months in which we couldn’t train together as a team and when there was no reason to think we would be in hubs in other states?

 

[KermitJagger]

I wouldn't mind seeing us adopt some of what Port Adelaide have been doing to get the ball through the middle of the ground. They take Trent McKenzie, who has an absolute cannon of a boot, and he just roosts it as far as he can. We could at least try to do that, considering Sicily and Hardwick are both capable of sending the ball a mile.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

Yeah to implement a gameplan you need everyone training together for months as well as match simulation and actual match feedback to make the required adjustments. Read about how Clarko's Cluster worked and how difficult that was to learn and play well and it's easier understand that changing a gameplan is a lengthy process that requires all sorts of hard work. That took about 2 years to get right.

Tweaks can be made on a week to week basis though and that is what we should be seeing against Melbourne.

ALSO: Had a dream our game against Melbourne was cancelled, we were moved to Metricon and played St. Kilda on Monday who we beat by 80 points. So when this inevitably happens don't act surprised.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

The 2 months in which we couldn’t train together as a team and when there was no reason to think we would be in hubs in other states?

I did say tweak not change the whole thing don't be factitious. When there was no reason to think we would be in hubs? it's been on the table since March that option. We knew about this virus in January.

 

[TylerDurden]

But regardless of COVID we'd play at a variety of ground, which are leaner than the G.
Surely we have variations to the game plan to suit these grounds???!!!!
And if we don't, then after the last 2 weeks debacle, we'd have come up with one???!!!

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Other teams haven't had issues with implementing new game plans, regardless of the situation.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

But regardless of COVID we'd play at a variety of ground, which are leaner than the G.
Surely we have variations to the game plan to suit these grounds???!!!!
And if we don't, then after the last 2 weeks debacle, we'd have come up with one???!!!

I'm sure we do, I just think we're not very good at it.

 

[threesixpio]

Hopefully our preparation is better than the last two games where there were some real pressures from travel, short space between games etc

PS: Still no excuses btw (!)

I wonder whether we have learnt about travel/away games this year. Maybe this is the best thing we can get out of this year.

I’m happy some kids are getting blooded in a year with limited reserve games.

Go Hawks