Preview Round 7, 2023: St.Kilda v Port Adelaide - Marvel Stadium, Friday 28th April, 7:50PM AEST *WOOD 100TH*

[stavro#4]

An interesting post from an oppo board:

Today I went to the game with a friend, who has a friend that has a son playing for St Kilda (Played today). And they caught up last week, small info he shared from the son. Ratts used to speak to the players a bit flustered when things weren't going well. ‘It's like at the quarter time huddles he wasn't sure what he wanted the players to do, because he would jump all over the place with what he would tell them’. Which the players were obviously annoyed by.
Said that Ross is super clear and always calm when the heat is on, and basically thinks he is a genius coach. And has all the players behind him.
This player is only 3 years into his AFL career, but it was interesting hearing how quickly a team can sour to a coach. Only the players second AFL coach, so his experience with them is less than others

Ratts had NFI. So good to have a calm level headed coach that has total by in.

I’m thinking the player could be Byrnes?

I don’t think it’s fair to say Ratts had no idea.

Just to link back to some of the things I shared in the last few years. I don’t think Ratten knew how to turn his ideas into actions that the boys could buy in to or understand why they were being asked to do it.

For example, I know that the 3 peat hawks were all into practically running their own pre seasons outside of the main sessions. The likes of Hodgey knew how much running they needed to do to be afl fit etc

A young list who has never tasted success wasn’t the right list or time to empower them with something like that. They needed integrity at selection to ensure effort was always high - which we didn’t do. They needed everyone buying in doing the same work - which didn’t happen.
Opening myself up to be corrected here because I'm gonna use my memory but aside from taking a taller defender I don't believe Cordy has done much else for the "play tall" role.

Most I50 marks have been on a lead or open off turnover
Not many/if any marks in large packs
Havent seen him crash packs like Caminiti or Pou
and now reduced chopout role
+ limited minutes TOG a few weeks in a row - if the structure was that dependent he would be on the ground more


I don't see Ross dumping him either tbh, but just my opinion that we could viably do it and be better, nothing against the man himself

Im confused - He kicked 1 goal for the match off a mark because sinclair crumbed the loose ball and he was open. The kick was no more challenging than all the others.

Goalless against Essendon and Collingwood - our 2 closer games, the other games in recent weeks were 50point wins. So not sure on that comment. Pretty sure his 1 goal against GC was a hand off from Owens who had every right to go himself.

Very simplistic look if your only judging Cordy on output.

He takes a tall defender - which impacts the next contest. He brings the ball to ground which brings the smalls into it.

He crashes packs. He lays tackles and throws his weight around.

The success thus far is built on the collective effort. Not just the parts that kick all the goals or get all the touches.

 

[saintmike65]

Fairly confident of winning this one despite us having a shorter break than Port.

I imagine our players will be having a light week on the track and mostly just focusing on recovery to try and get them up and about for Friday night.

Can't see there being too many changes if any at all but Billings might be a chance of playing even if it's just as the sub, I think he could be quite dangerous if we threw him forward as a fresh sub in the 2nd half.



We might actually be closer to full strength than them or at least on a par with them which would be a nice change, every other team we have played so far has been closer to full strength than us.

In my opinion we are only 3 players shy of full strength..Caminiti, King and Webster!

 

[stavro#4]

He was clearly underdone and rusty. He's never made that many simple mistakes or been caught with that ball that often.

Not sure why anyone would deny that.

How can Steele have been underdone but on the same hand we clearly held back Membrey for a good few weeks?

It’s a mixed message from a coach who is straight down the line.

He was no doubt rusty. Hence the tagging job in the second half. But that’s too be expected

 

[saintmike65]

Yep he has been good for us but again, for this specific game and how Port are structured, we don't need him and could do with more run instead.

Don’t flirt with form..Cordy is obviously rated internally & likely to stay in for the short term!

 

[BrutThough]

How can Steele have been underdone but on the same hand we clearly held back Membrey for a good few weeks?

It’s a mixed message from a coach who is straight down the line.

He was no doubt rusty. Hence the tagging job in the second half. But that’s too be expected

They are two different players where two seperate decisions were made.

Thankfully, we won so it doesn't really matter. But if we hadn't one, questions would rightfully be asked about bringing Steele back quicker than usual for a collarbone given how un-Steele like he looked.

 

[aussierulesrules]

In my opinion we are only 3 players shy of full strength..Caminiti, King and Webster!

As exciting as Pou is, he’s pretty much Jack Billings in his first year. Most numbers incredibly similar.

Jack Billings and Mattaes Phillipou AFL Stats Comparison

Jack Billings and Mattaes Phillipou AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

If Jack is back to full fitness and form, he’ll be an upgrade on Pou, as he’s going to be comfortably better than he was in his first year.

Will be a similar story with Jones and probably someone like Byrnes. As well as Byrnes has gone, a fully fit and in-form Jones would be an upgrade. Much more game-breaking ability, IMO.

 

[my name was taken]

Very simplistic look if your only judging Cordy on output.

He takes a tall defender - which impacts the next contest. He brings the ball to ground which brings the smalls into it.

He crashes packs. He lays tackles and throws his weight around.

The success thus far is built on the collective effort. Not just the parts that kick all the goals or get all the touches.

Dont think its that simplistic when I addressed the 2 first points in my posts.

And not even saying he played bad games, I know he's played a role as I acknowledged but what I am saying is it cant be critical when he plays 59%, 46% and 30% TOG in our 3 closest games. And that other options COULD be considered that have greater output, spread over 65% minutes,

 

[George]

Equally, It sounds like you're saying the club is perfect and never wrong.

That is the 1st time I have ever been accused of that

One is a kid who has only just turned 18

I don't see anything to suggest Pou needs a rest, if anything he looks very close to ripping a game apart

The other is steele who looked sore and out of sorts for months even before he wrecked his collarbone just a few weeks ago.

The season was only 3 weeks old when he done his shoulder don't know how he looked sore for months before that and dont think he looked sore yesterday just rusty and thought his 2nd half was ok, no chance club would play him if he wasn't 100% fit IMO

Blowing smoke up the clubs arse once again I see. Did it all last year, didn't think I saw one negative post from you. Shocking stuff to be honest.

 

[Plugger35]

Don’t flirt with form..Cordy is obviously rated internally & likely to stay in for the short term!

I think Billings, Coffield and Jones all still have the potential to be in our best 22 but it won't be easy for them to break into the team.

That's a good thing though, in the past they would just be gifted games but now they need to earn them with some good performances.

 

[George]

How can Steele have been underdone but on the same hand we clearly held back Membrey for a good few weeks?

It’s a mixed message from a coach who is straight down the line.

He was no doubt rusty. Hence the tagging job in the second half. But that’s too be expected

Someone here the other day said that it wasn't so much holding back Membrey as it was rewarding those who had got us to where we are.

Personally Steele looked off to me. Shoulder didn't look like it hampered him he was just struggling to get into the game.

 

[sammm]

We have played with 2 tall forwards all season.

Caminiti/Cordy

Membrey/Cordy

Caminiti is still suspended. Who knows about king. But I can’t see us dumping Cordy

Cordy won't be dumped. Not until either Caminiti or King hets back.
It's not just Ross saying he going Ok. Listen to mason wood on 3aw he said the same. Everyone is singing from the same hymn book.

 

[Mowman]

Someone here the other day said that it wasn't so much holding back Membrey as it was rewarding those who had got us to where we are.

Personally Steele looked off to me. Shoulder didn't look like it hampered him he was just struggling to get into the game.

Just looked like a player that hadn't played in 4 weeks, rusty

His 2nd half and the job he done was very good

 

[stavro#4]

Someone here the other day said that it wasn't so much holding back Membrey as it was rewarding those who had got us to where we are.

Personally Steele looked off to me. Shoulder didn't look like it hampered him he was just struggling to get into the game.

So that’s rust not an underdone footballer.

If he was underdone I don’t understand how he impacts the game by stopping Cripps

 

[sammm]

Do you wait until you run out of dunny paper before you go and buy more?

Forward planning is vital when you are contemplating the truly important things in life like football finals and bog roll.

They didn't do much forward an ingredient back in 2009 or 2010.
And even before that with previous coaches 1997. Ran out of players.

 

[my name was taken]

Just looked like a player that hadn't played in 4 weeks, rusty

His 2nd half and the job he done was very good

1 contested ball in the first half and finished with 9 for the game, very solid considering.

don't think you get better as the game goes on if you have a sore shoulder, Cripps was always going to be a handfull.

 

[PoppedCorn]

No change
Why change?
I do want bytel to get a full game but nothings broken atm

Have to reward them when the work that they are asked to do is checked off

 

[Diehard Saint]

Don’t flirt with form..Cordy is obviously rated internally & likely to stay in for the short term!

Cordy needs to be there to keep Allir honest and occupied. He’s a terrific defender.

 

[George]

Just looked like a player that hadn't played in 4 weeks, rusty

His 2nd half and the job he done was very good

So that’s rust not an underdone footballer.

If he was underdone I don’t understand how he impacts the game by stopping Cripps

That's what I'm saying, rust.

Agreed he got into the game after halftime. Think he had 6 by half time and finished with 19.

 

[SaintersUnite]

For the people wondering what Cordy’s role is since he doesn’t do the typical things KPF do, I suggest you go and watch his games this year. He’s similar to McKay in how he’ll present down the line for the get out kick, but instead of attempting to mark it like McKay does, he’ll intentionally spoil it over the boundary every time.

It’s his job to get it to ground and help us move up the ground as a unit. That is his primary focus. His secondary focus is taking the tallest defender, allowing Caminiti/Membrey to have a little more freedom.

He’s basically playing his preferred position (FB) in the forward line.


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[George]

If anyone still doesn't have their like reactions back please let me know

 

[Mowman]

If anyone still doesn't have their like reactions back please let me know

and when you get them back make sure you go back and like all my post, I have been in good form

 

[joydivision22]

Membrey already made a massive difference in game 1 showing his experience. Finished with 7 marks (2 contested) and had 3-4 shots at goal.

King must be just frothing to get at it.. and I am damn excited to see what it looks like with him in the mix.

Front 6-7 post bye may well be:

Butler Membrey Phillipou
Owens King Higgins

Gresham rotating in, caminiti probably emerg but could see us finding a way to squeeze him in.

 

[stavro#4]

If anyone still doesn't have their like reactions back please let me know

and when you get them back make sure you go back and like all my post, I have been in good form

You two disgust me.

also check out my new DP

 

[CaptainRisky]

I love Zaine tbh don't want to see him dropped all year

He does more than what people see on TV

 

[George]

and when you get them back make sure you go back and like all my post, I have been in good form

You're not wrong, been nothing but good times and great classic hits from you the past week or two