Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay Pt 2 *Pilot Greg Lynn sentenced 32 yrs with a non-parole period of 24 yrs

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1 Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

DPP v Lynn [2024] VSCA 62 (12 April 2024) INTERLOCUTORY APPEAL​

R v Lynn (Rulings 1-4) [2024] VSC 373 (28 June 2024)​

R v Lynn (Rulings 5 & 6) [2024] VSC 375 (28 February 2024)

R v Lynn (Ruling 7) [2024] VSC 376 (8 May 2024)

The Greg Lynn Police Interview Tapes (Shortened Version)

The 3.5 HR Police Interview

R v Lynn [2024] VSC 635 (18 October 2024)​

THREADS FOR THE HIGH COUNTRY DISAPPEARED
High Country Disappearance of Prison Boss David Prideaux
The Disappearance of Warren Meyer

2008 - Warren Meyer (23 March 2008) not found
2010 - Japp and Annie Viergever (29 March 2010) both shot & 3 dogs, house burnt.
2011 - David Prideaux (5 June 2011) not found
2017 - Kevin Tenant (17 February 2018) shot 3 times, played dead.
2019 - Conrad Whitlock (29 July 2019) not found
2019 - Niels Becker (24 October 2019) not found
2020 - Russell Hill and Carol Clay (20 March 2020) murdered

Lynn's first wife Lisa, was found dead on 26 October 1999.

 

[katana]

He recounts an incident to police
where he punished Lisa for drinking too much. These are actual quotes from Lynn himself if you can actually believe it

Wtf???? How does this not constitute a crime in and of itself? Surely that's domestic abuse? what am I missing here?

 

[Sir_Loin]

Wtf???? How does this not constitute a crime in and of itself? Surely that's domestic abuse? what am I missing here?

Someone said it earlier. I don’t think he meets the definition of psychopath under DSM

More worryingly I think he’s a sociopath with narcissistic features. When the Gary Jubelin podcast comes out free with Haddrick it’s worth the listen.

 

[MiguelM]

Someone said it earlier. I don’t think he meets the definition of psychopath under DSM

More worryingly I think he’s a sociopath with narcissistic features. When the Gary Jubelin podcast comes out free with Haddrick it’s worth the listen.

Time to go camping before the appeal!

 

[Sir_Loin]

Time to go camping before the appeal!

He told his family he was going camping in the Grampians haha

He’s a lying liar that lies. Not sure what he’s going to do if he gets off what a thought

 

[katana]

Someone said it earlier. I don’t think he meets the definition of psychopath under DSM

More worryingly I think he’s a sociopath with narcissistic features. When the Gary Jubelin podcast comes out free with Haddrick it’s worth the listen.

'pscyhopath' is not a clinical term and does not exist in the dsm.

 

[Sir_Loin]

'pscyhopath' is not a clinical term and does not exist in the dsm.

The fifth edition of the manual, the DSM-5 (2013), identified psychopathy as a specific form of ASPD but did not list psychopathy itself as a clinical diagnosis

I never said it was a clinical diagnosis. You also spelled the term incorrectly.

I’ve posted on this a number of times, it’s not new to me.

 

[katana]

The fifth edition of the manual, the DSM-5 (2013), identified psychopathy as a specific form of ASPD but did not list psychopathy itself as a clinical diagnosis

I never said it was a clinical diagnosis. You also spelled the term incorrectly.

I’ve posted on this a number of times, it’s not new to me.

brutha i am registered as a psych w/ ahpra. no one gets 'defined as a psychopath' in this day and age.

 

[Sir_Loin]

brutha i am registered as a psych w/ ahpra. no one gets 'defined as a psychopath' in this day and age.

You didn’t address anything I said

When you’re running your hare tests how does it go?

 

[thumbs_up]

Someone said it earlier. I don’t think he meets the definition of psychopath under DSM

More worryingly I think he’s a sociopath with narcissistic features. When the Gary Jubelin podcast comes out free with Haddrick it’s worth the listen.

Psychopath and sociopath are not terms you'll find in the DSM. Anti social personality disorder (the closest you'll find to those terms) is probably what he fits criteria for. If I have time later I'll open up my copy and post the diagnostic criteria for that disorder

 

[Sir_Loin]

Psychopath and sociopath are not terms you'll find in the DSM. Anti social personality disorder (the closest you'll find to those terms) is probably what he fits criteria for. If I have time later I'll open up my copy and post the diagnostic criteria for that disorder

Make sure you mention the bit in section three

 

[katana]

You didn’t address anything I said

When you’re running your hare tests how does it go?

you said he doesn't 'meet the definition for a psychopath'. i said no one gets 'defined as a psychopath'. he may score highly for 'psychopathy' in the subset of 'anti social personality disorder', but a definition of 'a psychopath' is not at all what you'd infer from that, let alone a label one would use clinically.

 

[Sir_Loin]

you said he doesn't 'meet the definition for a psychopath'. i said no one gets 'defined as a psychopath'. he may score highly for 'psychopathy' in the subset of 'anti social personality disorder', but a definition of 'a psychopath' is not at all what you'd infer from that, let alone a label one would use clinically.

Haha you didnt even ****ing read it and you’re registered?

No backsies

 

[katana]

i think this guy's a psychopath!

 

[Sir_Loin]

i think this guy's a psychopath!

Prefer sociopath as my pronoun

 

[thumbs_up]

Make sure you mention the bit in section three

I don't have the time and energy tonight to open the big purple book, so I've enlisted AI:
The DSM-5 does not officially diagnose psychopathy, but instead classifies it as a type of antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). The DSM-5 criteria for ASPD include:

• A pattern of disregarding and violating the rights of others
• Behavior that breaks social norms, such as not following laws
• Difficulty feeling empathy or remorse
• • A tendency to lie, manipulate, or deceive others
  • A disregard for the safety of self and others
  • A tendency to avoid responsibility
  • Aggressive and violent behavior
  • Difficulty planning ahead or managing impulses
  Surely he meets this criteria

 

[Sir_Loin]

I don't have the time and energy tonight to open the big purple book, so I've enlisted AI:
The DSM-5 does not officially diagnose psychopathy, but instead classifies it as a type of antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). The DSM-5 criteria for ASPD include:

• A pattern of disregarding and violating the rights of others
• Behavior that breaks social norms, such as not following laws
• Difficulty feeling empathy or remorse
• 
  
• 
  
• 
  
• • A tendency to lie, manipulate, or deceive others
  • 
    
  • A disregard for the safety of self and others
  • 
    
  • A tendency to avoid responsibility
  • Aggressive and violent behavior
  • Difficulty planning ahead or managing impulses
  Surely he meets this criteria

faark me. I never said it was clinically defined in DSM. My entire point was under the diagnostic check list I don’t think he fits the criteria. Specifically the lack of difficulty around planning.

It’s my fault actually. I should have been more specific so the armchair bullshitters didn’t get all up and about.

 

[Iretired00]

If we’re going to throw out jury decisions then remove it and make them judge only

Totally agree and I've considered this when other cases eventuated with a similar outcome.Rules need to be re-written.The jury's decisions should not be overruled particularly when given explicit instructions by the presiding justice.Makes a mockery of the jury system that to my way of thinking should be the paramount test in an indictment situation.Judgement by ones peers ( again with learned guidance ) should produce a indisputable outcome.

 

[thumbs_up]

faark me. I never said it was clinically defined in DSM. My entire point was under the diagnostic check list I don’t think he fits the criteria. Specifically the lack of difficulty around planning.

It’s my fault actually. I should have been more specific so the armchair bullshitters didn’t get all up and about.

Settle. I just copied and pasted what I found. I'm not sure he would have to meet every single checkpoint on the criteria. If you have time I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on where you think he stands in relation to each checkpoint. Hard to argue with every other point on the above list

 

[theouthouse]

Oh and his alibi for the night she died. Also totally cool and normal.


• Greg claimed he spent the evening of October 25, 1999, alone, visiting multiple locations in Collingwood and Fitzroy

• Called his partner, Bronwyn, around 5:30 PM.

• Went to Irish Murphy’s pub, where he drank and read the paper.

• Had dinner at Dimples Video Café using a discount voucher and paid with a credit card (receipt provided).

• Returned to Irish Murphy’s for more drinks and read a book but left his credit card there.

• Visited the Albion Hotel (left quickly) and the Provincial Hotel, where he continued reading and drinking.

• After midnight, returned to Irish Murphy’s to retrieve his card but found it closed.

• Walked to an ANZ bank, withdrew $40 at 1:06 AM, and caught a taxi home.

• He provided receipts for his purchases and the ATM withdrawal to police.

• Remembered details about the taxi driver, “Moses,” from Arrow Taxi Company, who discussed an unused airline ticket and asked if Greg could help to arrange a refund (???) unfortunately Moses didn’t have a spare business card on him otherwise Greg would have helpfully provided it.

• He claimed he went straight to bed after being dropped off and didn’t leave home until retrieving his car the next morning.

Cops considered alibi overly detailed, raised Q’s about the precision of his timeline and the plausibility of events (e.g., keeping receipts but losing his credit card, and remembering the driver’s name). Also who reads the paper and a book in various pubs all night?

Has all the hallmarks of a greg lynn missing campers fairytale story to it.

Receipts? What just for the taxi and dinner? Or the drinks he paid cash for? (surely not on a debit or credit card as he would have noticed a missing card earlier and not continued drinking until after midnight) until he spent it all then had to go to the ATM to get some more cash out for a taxi ride home?

Would be interesting to know what the time of death of Lisa was estimated at, and before or after her death when Greg told the story of tying her up and hosing her down. Whether it's a confession of sorts

 

[Zidane98]

Not sure if it's me but I find that the ex wife stuff is absolutely irrelevant to the RH/CC case.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Not sure if it's me but I find that the ex wife stuff is absolutely irrelevant to the RH/CC case.

Same. Also the fact that RH/CC were in a “secret relationship”.

 

[gomax]

Interview with author of Greg Lynn book

 

[Pamcake1]

Supreme Court releases details of convicted murderer Greg Lynn's appeal over camper Carol Clay's death

Greg Lynn's lawyers say he suffered "a substantial miscarriage of justice", as details of the convicted murderer's appeal can now be revealed.

www.abc.net.au

"The defence team will argue that prosecutors "launched a sustained attack" on the credibility of Lynn's story about what happened at Bucks Camp in the Wonangatta Valley, without giving him an opportunity to respond."

 

[Sir_Loin]

Supreme Court releases details of convicted murderer Greg Lynn's appeal over camper Carol Clay's death

Greg Lynn's lawyers say he suffered "a substantial miscarriage of justice", as details of the convicted murderer's appeal can now be revealed.

www.abc.net.au

"The defence team will argue that prosecutors "launched a sustained attack" on the credibility of Lynn's story about what happened at Bucks Camp in the Wonangatta Valley, without giving him an opportunity to respond."

There’s no way this gets up. I went through the interlocutory appeal again and the justices reasoning set out the parameters of the case under common law.

It’s a Hail Mary

 

[Pamcake1]

There’s no way this gets up. I went through the interlocutory appeal again and the justices reasoning set out the parameters of the case under common law.

It’s a Hail Mary

The cheek of requesting that he be released prior to the hearing is galling.

What is it that notwithstanding murder, removing the bodies, making it look like a robbery, burning and disposing of C & R's remains in a remote location, over a sustained period of time, makes them believe that he is at all innocent of cruel and calculated behavior (?).

The approbation and condemnation by the public is most thoroughly deserved.