Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

[Kurve]

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[gymjam]

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Also that part of the “story” doesn’t seem right either. While I’ve never stabbed someone, I can’t imagine they’d fall forward?

It would be possible if the pose RH was in gave him a forward momentum. Old geezas boxing and scuffling would be more likely, IMO, to lean forward.

 

[gymjam]

An initial recorded re-enactment of the incident at the scene
would have been helpful (GL not remembering the guy rope) and then another reenactment later for the jury (with the guy rope.)

I wonder if the detectives did their own re-enactment to ascertain if it was possible as the alleged offender stated. And if they did do the re-enactment, why it wasn't relied upon during the trial.

 

[fargo in dargo]

Why no blood, DNA or scorch marks at RH fall and crawl site?

If imo Hill likely didn't die from being stabbed once falling on his kitchen knife.

exactly this. there was no knife. its all part of the '"story" that lynn needs to fit the available evidence.

 

[Kurve]

An AI generated reenactment of Lynn's story, might be interesting actually.

 

[Spectrix]

I wonder if the detectives did their own re-enactment to ascertain if it was possible as the alleged offender stated. And if they did do the re-enactment, why it wasn't relied upon during the trial.

The ballistics expert did a re-enactment of sorts, though only to ascertain if the slug fired from the position indicated by Lynn could have hit the mirror and subsequently Ms Clay's head.

(He ascertained that in one of the three scenarios, it could. That one matching scenario was conveniently left out of the prosecution's evidence, and Dermot Dann subsequently picked up on it).

 

[gymjam]

I'm not sure that Lynn knows what happened anymore? I think Lynn may be a pathological liar and convinced himself that in order for his lies to be believed by others he must believe them himself. IMO

I wonder if detectives ever checked the type of knot used with the guy rope. To me, it looks pretty loose given two men were supposedly grappling with each other, at times being messed up with the guy rope.

 

[Underarrest_]

I wonder if the detectives did their own re-enactment to ascertain if it was possible as the alleged offender stated. And if they did do the re-enactment, why it wasn't relied upon during the trial.

Possibly,
How much more powerful would it have been if GL was reenacting it himself. No ducking under the guy rope (because he didn’t see it.)

 

[GladdyDee]

Having done a bit of impromptu deep cleaning today and manoeuvring around vacuum cord, and power cables precariously hanging through windows to keep them off the ground while vacuuming an external mat, I’m a firm believer the guy rope would have stuffed up anything within a few metres. I tripped, and then some more. Bloody cord stopping me ticking my boxes.

 

[gymjam]

No, but someone posted an image of it recently.

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does anyone know what the measurements of the loo cover would be? Are all sides equal in width? something doesn't look right to me. the back of the tent (opposite the zip up) just looks too far forward to me. It looks as the the back corner of the loo tent is more lined up with the number plate area.

 

[Lady O]

does anyone know what the measurements of the loo cover would be? Are all sides equal in width? something doesn't look right to me. the back of the tent (opposite the zip up) just looks too far forward to me. It looks as the the back corner of the loo tent is more lined up with the number plate area.

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I think this is taken at the same time from the opposite side. It has supplied Supreme Court so hopefully they marked it up.


The bottom photo makes the Toyota look very close to the toilet.

Edited: You can see from the overhead view, it is slightly closer on the passenger side.

 

[Badd0g]

There may not have been a lot and if there was, Lynn who admitted to cleaning up the side of the ute only had to throw a bucket of water over it. Burning would have been obvious there may be another crime scene away from Hill's campsite.

The police didn't get there for a few days anyway, it would be gone.

While we are on the subject of RH blood (which btw I suspect/am of the opinion of was mixed in with CCs: ergo only one spot to burn), where did the now clearly erroneous info re the motel bathmat come from??

 

[nut]

Maybe GL disposed of his clothing because it was Jetstar branded - right down to the gloves

I reckon having blood all over the clothing was the main reason.

 

[Kurve]

While we are on the subject of RH blood (which btw I suspect/am of the opinion of was mixed in with CCs: ergo only one spot to burn), where did the now clearly erroneous info re the motel bathmat come from??

Daily Mail iirc.

If it's not good information, yes probably Daily Mail.

 

[LeChatNoir]

Lynn said:
"I saw the barrel of the shotgun appear over the bonnet. And to try and disarm him I jumped up. I grabbed the shotgun barrel with my right arm."

Surely, this is the point at where the firearm would have discharged if his story had any credibility to it.

I could believe this part. Sneaking up in the dark on a 74 year old who:

• may or may not be wearing his glasses (so night vision not the best)
• is already on edge as he is allegedly standing guard at the front of his vehicle pointing the gun towards Lynn campsite
• has already (according) to Lynn fired off 3 or 4 warning shots
• cycled the weapon and has it ready to fire

Seriously, this must have been an incredibly tense and nerve racking moment for Hill as he stands guard holding a primed shotgun. You would think that in that instant when Lynn jumps up out of the shadows in front of Hill instantly grabbing the weapon by the barrel, that Hill could have been startled enough to involuntarily fire the gun?

I'll say this, to all the Lynn's of the world, you better believe it, if it was me in Hill's place, and you jumped up from the shadows, grabbing the gun, I'd probably shoot the gun and s**t myself (maybe not in that order), but the end result would be Lynn would have a huge hole in him.

This isn't a John Wayne movie, and IMO, Lynn doesn't have the cohoonas to come face to face with a primed shotgun in the hands of a seriously pissed off 74 year old, who has the cohoonas to use it.

 

[Lady O]

Daily Mail iirc.

If it's not good information, yes probably Daily Mail.

Is this incorrect??

 

[jason_recliner]

An AI generated reenactment of Lynn's story, might be interesting actually.

Flight Centre Captain as Lynn, Fair ground operator from Scooby-Doo as Hill, Shirley from A Country Practice as Clay... At least one of them would be some kind of unholy human-drone cyborg... Weed sprayers getting High...

What could go wrong?

 

[Badd0g]

Lynn said:
"I saw the barrel of the shotgun appear over the bonnet. And to try and disarm him I jumped up. I grabbed the shotgun barrel with my right arm."

Surely, this is the point at where the firearm would have discharged if his story had any credibility to it.

I could believe this part. Sneaking up in the dark on a 74 year old who:

• may or may not be wearing his glasses (so night vision not the best)
• is already on edge as he is allegedly standing guard at the front of his vehicle pointing the gun towards Lynn campsite
• has already (according) to Lynn fired off 3 or 4 warning shots
• cycled the weapon and has it ready to fire

Seriously, this must have been an incredibly tense and nerve racking moment for Hill as he stands guard holding a primed shotgun. You would think that in that instant when Lynn jumps up out of the shadows in front of Hill instantly grabbing the weapon by the barrel, that Hill could have been startled enough to involuntarily fire the gun?

I'll say this, to all the Lynn's of the world, you better believe it, if it was me in Hill's place, and you jumped up from the shadows, grabbing the gun, I'd probably shoot the gun and s**t myself (maybe not in that order), but the end result would be Lynn would have a huge hole in him.

This isn't a John Wayne movie, and IMO, Lynn doesn't have the cohoonas to come face to face with a primed shotgun in the hands of a seriously pissed off 74 year old, who has the cohoonas to use it.

If, and obviously a big if IMO, GL grabbed the barrel of the gun, he would be perpendicular to the gun, not in front of it. Right hand on barrel, left on stock means pointy end directed to the right of GL.

Personally I think if any scuffle actually occurred, it was on the passenger side, after RH busted GL scoping out his campsite and it was RH that had GL bent back over the bonnet (explains the bruises and lack of interference with the toilet guy), gun across his chest pointing at CC who has also come out of the tent via the mirror (explains the angle of hitting both mirror & CC). RH then goes to CC (surely GL wouldn't have just let him up off the bonnet if it were him over the top), GL takes RH out there with knife over CCs body (explains lack of RH blood evidence) All IMO only of.courae.

 

[LeChatNoir]

If, and obviously a big if IMO, GL grabbed the barrel of the gun, he would be perpendicular to the gun, not in front of it. Right hand on barrel, left on stock means pointy end directed to the right of GL.

Personally I think if any scuffle actually occurred, it was on the passenger side, after RH busted GL scoping out his campsite and it was RH that had GL bent back over the bonnet (explains the bruises and lack of interference with the toilet guy), gun across his chest pointing at CC who has also come out of the tent via the mirror (explains the angle of hitting both mirror & CC). RH then goes to CC (surely GL wouldn't have just let him up off the bonnet if it were him over the top), GL takes RH out there with knife over CCs body (explains lack of RH blood evidence) All IMO only of.courae.

Based on where Lynn claims Hill would have been standing, where gun appeared over bonnet and how Lynn was crouching alongside ute when he jumps up, I just can't see him being light footed and agile enough to pull it off. I also need some convincing that if he did pull it off, the gun wouldn't have fired at that point, just from sheer fright.

I guess my point is not that it happened or didn't happen but that Lynn wants us to believe the gun wouldn't go off in that moment, but goes off later.

 

[LeChatNoir]

I've been pondering on Lynn's clean up of Hill & Clay campsite, and of course his own campsite, ensuring he left no trace of his own presence was left there.

Looking at the food scraps and packaging rubbish he left at his arrest campsite, makes me think he is a messy kind of person, who's priority may not be clean up after himself? If so, I suggest his campsite at Bucks camp was already packed and ready to go before the alleged murders. IMO

Jetstar pilot still being questioned over disappearance of missing Victorian campers

www.9news.com.au

 

[Kurve]

Is this incorrect??

Don't know. It might be true but it was thrown out as evidence as not solid enough, successfully challenged etc etc

We might find out when it's over.

 

[Badd0g]

Don't know. It might be true but it was thrown out as evidence as not solid enough, successfully challenged etc etc

We might find out when it's over.

DM article here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/me...cking-motel-covered-blood-elderly-camper.html

 

[justallyone]

There may not have been a lot and if there was, Lynn who admitted to cleaning up the side of the ute only had to throw a bucket of water over it. Burning would have been obvious there may be another crime scene away from Hill's campsite.

The police didn't get there for a few days anyway, it would be

Lynn said:
"I saw the barrel of the shotgun appear over the bonnet. And to try and disarm him I jumped up. I grabbed the shotgun barrel with my right arm."

Surely, this is the point at where the firearm would have discharged if his story had any credibility to it.

I could believe this part. Sneaking up in the dark on a 74 year old who:

• may or may not be wearing his glasses (so night vision not the best)
• is already on edge as he is allegedly standing guard at the front of his vehicle pointing the gun towards Lynn campsite
• has already (according) to Lynn fired off 3 or 4 warning shots
• cycled the weapon and has it ready to fire

Seriously, this must have been an incredibly tense and nerve racking moment for Hill as he stands guard holding a primed shotgun. You would think that in that instant when Lynn jumps up out of the shadows in front of Hill instantly grabbing the weapon by the barrel, that Hill could have been startled enough to involuntarily fire the gun?

I'll say this, to all the Lynn's of the world, you better believe it, if it was me in Hill's place, and you jumped up from the shadows, grabbing the gun, I'd probably shoot the gun and s**t myself (maybe not in that order), but the end result would be Lynn would have a huge hole in him.

This isn't a John Wayne movie, and IMO, Lynn doesn't have the cohoonas to come face to face with a primed shotgun in the hands of a seriously pissed off 74 year old, who has the cohoonas to use it.

Curious that GL said in his testimony that he didn’t think RH was actually going to shoot him. Or am I mistaken? Strange reaction to someone he didn’t think was a genuine threat.

 

[justallyone]

There may not have been a lot and if there was, Lynn who admitted to cleaning up the side of the ute only had to throw a bucket of water over it. Burning would have been obvious there may be another crime scene away from Hill's campsite.

The police didn't get there for a few days anyway, it would be gone.

Not convinced water would have been sufficient to completely erase it IMO.

 

[tandino]

Absolutely don’t agree. You are entitled to your opinion but I live in a world where there are causes and consequences.

If we choose to be part of a societal system, then we need to respect law and order. We need to protect values such as decency, compassion and respect that form a basis for civilised behaviour.

Of course he knew his career would be
over but that didn’t give him the right to dispose of two humans, wipe out their existence from this planet just as though they’d never existed. And to condemn their families to living their lives not knowing, hoping, praying every moment of every day to find answers to the fate of the people they loved most in the world.

And now to live a life filled with the bitter and haunting memories of what another human did to their own.

Hill had a wife and 3 adult daughters! Clay had a family who loved her.

We can’t just take it on ourselves to dispose of a human and wipe out their heritage. Not for any reason.

There is nothing that could justify Lynn’s barbaric and irrational actions not only against society but against humanity and decency. IMO

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. There's no justification for his subsequent actions, but there is another motivation other than the theory that he is responsible for two murders.

 

[Percel]

An AI generated reenactment of Lynn's story, might be interesting actually.