Opinion Sack Hinkley 7 - "Turn it around or watch out"

[TazD]

Homie doesn't think its the coaches job to coach lol

 

[Lagooner]

Losing a GF by 10+ goals doesn't count for much. We lost twice to the premier by a goal in a prelim, both teams ended up being 3x premiers. That's close mate.

This is Collingwood 2007 twisted logic. Just because you lost a close PF to the eventual premier doesn’t mean you would’ve won the GF had you made it. And it certainly doesn’t mean you made it further than the team that actually made the GF but lost.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

Alright this has been super. You win. All is lost.

 

[Loony Juice]

Not true. Montgomery and Lokan haven't had their contracts renewed.

Koch knows that Hinkley couldn't possibly be the problem so he was excluded from the review.

Sad reality is ken was a part of the review panel/committee

We are so farked

SACK KERNEL FINKLEY AND HIS PATHETIC INVERTEBRATE ENABLERS

 

[TazD]

Alright this has been super. You win. All is lost.

All is not lost, just sack Hinkley, Koch, and Richardson.

 

[edgie]

What would you call it smart arse? He was absolutely under the pump going into 2019. We were 12-10 and finished 10th. If the guy was just protecting his position, he doesnt move on the players that finished 5th and 6th in our BnF that year. He hopes for an extra win to get into 8th and to get a new contract.

HE WAS NOT

He was flying by on goodwill after the industry kept talking about how brave he was trading out mature players to blood youngsters, completely ignoring the prior year where he done the opposite and we also failed. He shot himself in the foot to get out of the race.

If he was under the pump then he would and should have been sacked for not delivering.

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[Us against the rest]

As close as possible to winning a flag?

He hasn't even made a Grand Final


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That's because Hinkley thinks finals are over rated.

 

[Loony Juice]

That's also fair. But it negates the negativity around Hinkley. If people were saying 'look Hinkley is a pretty good coach, he's done some good things, made some mistakes, but it's time for him to go' that's one thing. That's where I am at now. Trashing his legacy is another. People give him no credit for the things he's got right. People will say players have gotten worse under him? Explain the young talent. Explain SPP, explain Marshall. Those 2 were difficult cases with their backgrounds. Explain all the people he cut loose who he was right to. I was as vocal as any about hating the Ladhams trade, but Sydney are seething about his lack of discipline at the moment. I've been very vocal on not playing Sam Hayes. I guess if/when he leaves, we will find out whether that was right as well. People mock him about his 'greyhound club', but he;s shown loyalty to people that has been repaid. Amon, Marshall, SPP. He's got the best out of Wines, Aliir has done more at Port than he ever did at Sydney. Those players will be available to the next coach when they probably would have been lost with a lesser coach. I thought he was capable of winning a flag until after the PF last year. He got extremely close twice. I don't buy the GF bullshit. Who was closer to a flag, Port 2014/20 or Sydney 2022? We were. He came to a club that was a laughingstock and will leave it as a bog vanilla also ran. He's a Rodney Eade. He's respected by everyone outside the club for being 'pretty good'.

Anyone that says he's a bad/terrible/s**t coach is throwing a tantrum.

Simply by being IN the Grand Final makes Sydney closer to a flag

Would have thought that was a pretty basic concept

 

[Loony Juice]

Legacy - something left or handed down by a predecessor

The s**t I'm about to take will have a legacy. Anyone that is around for a long time has a legacy good or bad. Hinkley's will be a bit of both. Imagine being this petty.

Be careful not to flush the wrong one

 

[dirty2]

Interesting couple of pages.... But I think hinkley should still be sacked.

 

[edgie]

We lost to two triple premiership teams by a goal in a Prelim. Ross Lyon was in the system forever without a flag and would likely get another coaching role if he wanted it. ...

Ross Lyon took two different, perennial loser clubs, to grand finals, and should've won all of them. One was lost to just bad luck/game has to end sometime and when it does the other team is in front, and the other two to byproducts of his gameplans in inaccurate kicking (sound familiar?). Then he was sacked eventually. We've lost three preliminary finals, you can argue we should've won one, but didn't. One we were embarrassed in and the other one we were outplayed but kept in it due to their bad kicking. And we apparently a club of a winning heritage and culture.

There's no apples for apples comparisons here where not sacking Hinkley looks like fair and responsible sports club management.

 

[Steve Dore]

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I'm just sick to death of this thread spilling out into half the other ones and the endless over the top negativity. .....

This thread doesn't spill out into other threads. The fact that the biggest issue preventing the club from being successful is our incompetent coach means that it is discussed in many threads.

 

[El_Scorcho]

This thread doesn't spill out into other threads. The fact that the biggest issue preventing the club from being successful is our incompetent coach means that it is discussed in many threads.

Yep.

How can I discuss the ruck situation without discussing the coaching? How can I discuss the memberships situation without the elephant in the room that is costing us memberships? How can we discuss the board without discussing the job they're doing? If you want positivity, stick to the AFLW threads where there isn't an enormous roadblock.

PrisonBars4life is absolutely correct that Hinkley discussion dominates the BigFooty Port board (and every conversation I have about footy outside of BigFooty as well), but that has only happened because the club have done something unprecedented in letting him keep his job for this long.

 

[Fizzler]

Yep.

How can I discuss the ruck situation without discussing the coaching? How can I discuss the memberships situation without the elephant in the room that is costing us memberships? How can we discuss the board without discussing the job they're doing? If you want positivity, stick to the AFLW threads where there isn't an enormous roadblock.

PrisonBars4life is absolutely correct that Hinkley discussion dominates the BigFooty Port board (and every conversation I have about footy outside of BigFooty as well), but that has only happened because the club have done something unprecedented in letting him keep his job for this long.

Common “Scorch hits the nail on the head” post here. It truly is the most disappointing part of following this club, where just about every negative thing can be chalked up to this one guy getting 11 years as head coach with nothing to show for that.

Also just checked the maths, if Ken reaches the end of next season as coach he will have been the head coach for 13.8% of Port’s existence (1870-2023). **** that’s bleak.

 

[Igavemyloveachicken]

There's a reasonable debate about when Hinkley was passed his used by date. People are taking the piss if they think that was 2016/17. 2018-/19 okay, maybe . 2020/2021, no. 2023 - probably.

Missing finals in 2015, 2016 after running the eventual Premiers to within a goal in the Preliminary Final in 2014 should have been his departure moment. Our list was good enough to win Premiership's in either of those years, to miss finals all together was extremely poor.

I doubt anyone within AFL circles would have predicted Richmond to be a future dynasty team after the Elimination Final smacking that we gave them in 2014, it could of been us I'd argue to be that dynasty team.
Not making the final in 2015, 2016 impacted on our finals performance in 2017 when we got jumped early in the game, lack of big game finals experience didn't help early nor late when we should have secured our lead in extra time.

To not kick on again in 2018, 2019 impacted our finals chances in 2020 where Richmond were more composed in the Preliminary Final.

As much as Chris Scott has been criticised over the years at least he gets his side up year after year. Compare that to Hinkley where his team goes missing for years at a time and it highlights further how far away we are for a flag. Hinkley's tried his best but he's just not good enough and each year he continues is a waste on Port Adelaide's pursuit for our next Premiership.

 

[Kingfish73]

We lost to two triple premiership teams by a goal in a Prelim. Ross Lyon was in the system forever without a flag and would likely get another coaching role if he wanted it. Scott inherited an unbeatable side and until last weekend had choked in at least half of the final's series Geelong were involved in. Rattan has got 2 gigs without much success. Hird is being taken seriously for the Essendon job. Voss got a second gig. There are plenty of Hinkley tier coaches that have survived a long time in the system. Hinkley wasn't the longest serving coach without a GF in 2017 and 2021. Coaches that make finals 60% of the time generally don't get sacked after 5 years. They definitely don't get sacked after losing to the premier by a goal in a PF.

Your method to argue your point is laughable. You talk about the PF lost to Richmond but fail to provide any backup on the bulldogs annihilation. The story of our club. Sugar coat the wins and gloss over the real examples of our failures. Improvement occurs through working on your weaknesses. You are a happy clapper. Move on and buy some more merchandise to keep our financials ticking along...

 

[EskimoPAFC]

This thread doesn't spill out into other threads. The fact that the biggest issue preventing the club from being successful is our incompetent coach means that it is discussed in many threads.

What spills out in to other threads is this constant negative moaning from those in the Hinkley cult trying to control what others post.

You can see the hypocrisy on full display here with this latest bloke. The second they have a target to deflect on to (club champion Matty Primus in this case) suddenly they become ultra negative, posting vitriolic attacks on his coaching record. They're all the same. Blame anybody but Ken. Try to stop others from pointing out clear facts.

 

[PowerBaz]

So Hayes gone? whilst Ken strutting around Alberton Oval like he’s a 4 time premiership coach soon to be 11 years for ‘0’.

 

[PowerBaz]

Not true. Montgomery and Lokan haven't had their contracts renewed.

Koch knows that Hinkley couldn't possibly be the problem so he was excluded from the review.

Monty wasn’t liked by more than Ken from what I’ve heard.

 

[PowerLil]

Monty wasn’t liked by more than Ken from what I’ve heard.

Maybe our club should stop *ing acting like a lot of primadonnas and get some coaches that can actually coach. Who cares if they're well liked or a quality person? Since when has that become a prerequisite? A coach that earns respect? Sure. Give me an absolute campaigner that can coach any day. If they want a father figure, go home to daddy. We're supposed to be a professional sporting club, not day care.

 

[Nelso]

Alright this has been super. You win. All is lost.

I am still waiting for Hinkley to take any accountability for the prelim final loss in 2021.

All throughout that season he told everyone to judge Port once they made the finals.

In the press conference after the prelim he told the media "now is not the time to talk about the game".

No ownership of the performance of the team on that night. No admittance that he stuffed up starting Drew on the bench when Libba ran riot in the 1st qtr.

Hinkley then goes into hibernation over the entire preseason. Not one single word to the media.

Any competent coach would have addressed the failings from that night and look for answers and change things in the next season, e.g similar to what Chris Scott did at Geelong.

What does stubborn Hinkley do? Nothing at all.

And this takes me to the Melbourne game in round 4 this year. That game was the first time I have ever seen a Port Adelaide team go onto the ground having conceded defeat before the first quarter had started. Yes there have been other occasions over the years where Port has been outclassed due to a lack of talent (see 2011 thrashings against Collingwood and Hawthorn) but at least the players went out onto the ground with the intent to win.

IMO Hinkley should have been sacked back at the end of the 2016 season but he should have been sacked on the spot after round 4 this year. Conceding defeat before the game had started is not the Port Adelaide way.

But you can be rest assured I won't be attending any more Port Adelaide games until Donuts is gone!

 

[JimmyBC]

If we are talking the 2022 season he should've been sacked after the Russell Ebert tribute game.

A fukcing disgrace that will never be forgotten.

 

[Eddie Woloschek]

Also just checked the maths, if Ken reaches the end of next season as coach he will have been the head coach for 13.8% of Port’s existence (1870-2023). * that’s bleak.

I'd check that again.

 

[GoPorts]

I'd check that again.

Yeah, it's a bit over 7%. Still depressing

 

[TeeKray]

15 years to the day since we played in a grand final.

12 of the other 17 clubs have played in a grand final since.

Sack Hinkley.