Roast Sack Horse

[caesar88]

I'd legit take Paul Roos right now.

Yes he is defensive, but we have that many runners and elite ball users that we aren't gonna lose the speed and run and foot skills.

What Roos would do is ensure that nearly every one of those runners and elite ball users will defend and put their heads over it when needed otherwise they can have fun playing in the VFL.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

I'd legit take Paul Roos right now.

Yes he is defensive, but we have that many runners and elite ball users that we aren't gonna lose the speed and run and foot skills.

What Roos would do is ensure that nearly every one of those runners and elite ball users will defend and put their heads over it when needed otherwise they can have fun playing in the VFL.

Remember how well we used and isolated Hall,Davis and O'Loughlin?

Scary how Roos came within a point of B2B with a vastly inferior list at his disposal made up of ex rejects and bits of players traded in.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Remember how well we used and isolated Hall,Davis and O'Loughlin?

Scary how Roos came within a point of B2B with a vastly inferior list at his disposal made up of ex rejects and bits of players traded in.

I don't think its fair to say Roos had a "vastly inferior list".

The forward line in particular was more potent than what we have now.

But what Roos did have was 100% buy-in from the playing group & an ability to adapt his game style when required.

I'm not sure Horse has that.

 

[caesar88]

I don't think its fair to say Roos had a "vastly inferior list".

The forward line in particular was more potent than what we have now.

But what Roos did have was 100% buy-in from the playing group & an ability to adapt his game style when required.

I'm not sure Horse has that.

The way I see it, the 2024 Swans would win in an athletics competition but the 2005 Swans would win in a football competition.

 

[Kiama Chris]

The way I see it, the 2024 Swans would win in an athletics competition but the 2005 Swans would win in a football competition.

I think the 2012 Swans were better than both. Their only weakness was KPF. Defence and midfield were stronger than both.

 

[melbournehammer]

I think the 2012 Swans were better than both. Their only weakness was KPF. Defence and midfield were stronger than both.

Its funny because i have thought for a while that this 2024 team wasnt that strong. It might be rose coloured glasses, but I rate shaw and malceski above lloyd and florent. I'm not actually sure i prefer blakey to mattner. I could make the case that mattner was better.

i rate jack, hanners, kennedy rok as better than parker, heeney, warner

I rate richards and grundy as streets ahead of melican and mccartin

i rate mummy and pyke as better than grundy and mcclean.

I barely see a position where i prefer the 2022 player (Mcinerney and gulden maybe better than the wings) papley and hayward better than morton and whoever we pretended was playing small forward - craig bird ??

makes you wonder about the overall standard of the comp or just that your perception of footballers is that they are better in hindsight.

 

[Jewelsbon]

Remember how well we used and isolated Hall,Davis and O'Loughlin?

Scary how Roos came within a point of B2B with a vastly inferior list at his disposal made up of ex rejects and bits of players traded in.

Five minutes more and he would have.
What sticks out in my memory from the 06 GF, particularly in comparison to the pea hearts that wore red and white last month, was the fight back in the second half. We were completely out played in those first two quarters but came out and gave it everything in the last two, something I really thought we would do this year.

 

[McGowan3]

Five minutes more and he would have.
What sticks out in my memory from the 06 GF, particularly in comparison to the pea hearts that wore red and white last month, was the fight back in the second half. We were completely out played in those first two quarters but came out and gave it everything in the last two, something I really thought we would do this year

Watched a replay of 2006 GF last year for the first time. Resisted watching it for years. it was a great contest and we probably only needed one more minute! Buchanan was huge in last quarter. Maybe he should be given a new role next season as "heart" coach for want of a better description. He could invite back almost all players from 05 and 06 to address the players.

 

[Tedeski]

Remember how well we used and isolated Hall,Davis and O'Loughlin?

Scary how Roos came within a point of B2B with a vastly inferior list at his disposal made up of ex rejects and bits of players traded in.

…………….and gifted Horse with a p’ship with his hardened players.
I remember how brutal & no nonsense he was with the Barry Hall exit when Bazza went from team first thinking to me, me, me thinking.

Horse is brutal on some & soft on others. Not sure what his markers are but looking back at ROK & then comparing it to how long he has persisted with an out of form Hayward, Amartey, McDonald or Blakey, I’m not sure when he gives credits & when he takes them away.
Inconsistent signals.

 

[LeapingLeo21]

…………….and gifted Horse with a p’ship with his hardened players.
I remember how brutal & no nonsense he was with the Barry Hall exit when Bazza went from team first thinking to me, me, me thinking.

Horse is brutal on some & soft on others. Not sure what his markers are but looking back at ROK & then comparing it to how long he has persisted with an out of form Hayward, Amartey, McDonald or Blakey, I’m not sure when he gives credits & when he takes them away.
Inconsistent signals.

Don't think this is quite true, if you want to say that then perhaps Eade gifted Roos the 05 premiership since the majority of the team was recruited under his leadership.

 

[Jewelsbon]

Watched a replay of 2006 GF last year for the first time. Resisted watching it for years. it was a great contest and we probably only needed one more minute! Buchanan was huge in last quarter. Maybe he should be given a new role next season as "heart" coach for want of a better description. He could invite back almost all players from 05 and 06 to address the players.

What a brilliant suggestion. The current mugs aren't worthy of tying the shoelaces of most of our players from that era.

 

[Jewelsbon]

Don't think this is quite true, if you want to say that then perhaps Eade gifted Roos the 05 premiership since the majority of the team was recruited under his leadership.

Maaaaaaaate, look at the thread title. Let us just enjoy our vitriolic bile and not bring truisms into it!
Heaven knows with our current crop of pea hearts we don't have much else to enjoy

 

[LeapingLeo21]

Maaaaaaaate, look at the thread title. Let us just enjoy our vitriolic bile and not bring truisms into it!
Heaven knows with our current crop of pea hearts we don't have much else to enjoy

No worries I'll let you get back to it, fwiw I thought longmire and his assistants sucked on gf day, having said that I don't think that makes him a bad coach.

 

[caesar88]

Horse is brutal on some & soft on others. Not sure what his markers are but looking back at ROK & then comparing it to how long he has persisted with an out of form Hayward, Amartey, McDonald or Blakey, I’m not sure when he gives credits & when he takes them away.
Inconsistent signals.

Soooooooo much this.

His standards have completely fallen by the wayside. The things he lets players get away with, and worse, actively rewards them for, are borderline unforgivable as a coach.

 

[Tedeski]

Don't think this is quite true, if you want to say that then perhaps Eade gifted Roos the 05 premiership since the majority of the team was recruited under his leadership.

Fair call LL.
I guess I meant that they thrived under Roos' tough game style & coaching, more so than Eade, & Horse inherited the remnants of that toughness in individuals & team. This list/team, now has 100% of Horse's fingerprints all over it.

 

[kelpie_X]

No worries I'll let you get back to it, fwiw I thought longmire and his assistants sucked on gf day, having said that I don't think that makes him a bad coach.

He's a good coach, but I don't think he will win another GF with Sydney. Would love for him to prove me wrong though.

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

Watched a replay of 2006 GF last year for the first time. Resisted watching it for years. it was a great contest and we probably only needed one more minute! Buchanan was huge in last quarter. Maybe he should be given a new role next season as "heart" coach for want of a better description. He could invite back almost all players from 05 and 06 to address the players.

A game where we lost by 1 but were never truly in it. Outplayed us pretty much all game. Goodesy gave us a sniff - great player.

I blame Darren Jolly. How dare he stay up for the birth of his child lol.

 

[caesar88]

For horse and players there achievement next mouth be getting and not gettting embarrassed

Might be happy with showing up for 3q

3 quarters? That's ambitious. I would settle for them showing up for just 2 at this point.

 

[swanssince2002]

You wonder if this is the same Horse... He dropped ROK ruthlessly in 2014 and was giving sprays to players like Jetta. You compare it to the coach of today where he wouldn't drop anyone else apart from the bottom 6 unless there was a serious injury.

New generation perhaps? Not hurt their feelings too much in this day and age? Who knows...

 

[McGowan3]

What a brilliant suggestion. The current mugs aren't worthy of tying the shoelaces of most of our players from that era.

If we make another GF, we should have Kirk, Bolton, Crouch, LRT, Hall, Buchanan, Kennedy and Buchanan stalking in the rooms eyeballing every player before they run out for the opening bounce. Do it again at half time if necessary!

 

[Dubai Quacker]

You wonder if this is the same Horse... He dropped ROK ruthlessly in 2014 and was giving sprays to players like Jetta. You compare it to the coach of today where he wouldn't drop anyone else apart from the bottom 6 unless there was a serious injury.

New generation perhaps? Not hurt their feelings too much in this day and age? Who knows...

Horse has become the parent who wants to be friends with his kids.

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

How many posts before we get a Sack Horse 2 thread ?

 

[Kapers]

I challenge your first sentence.
It is funny that being good enough. How do you actually measure that.
You have loved Jordan Foote, Towers, Ling, Clarle and Rankin to quote you. Well to put Horse in the same group is denigratating to Horse.

Well now I challenge your second sentence.
You think he is good enough to be in this group that you have created to augment your argument. I might add that it has been liked by the mighty 88. A much liked, a much admired poster of immense experience and renoun. To have the Ceasar liking your post is some claim to fame. Both of your likening Horse achievments to that of Jordan Foote Towers, Ling, Clarke, and Rankin must make you fell important and justified in your argument.

Congratulations. Your have reduced the achievments of the coach of the club for the last 14 years to the achievments of players that have collectively run onto the field nor coached as many times as Horse.

You and 88 are in good company.

Respect for past players and coaches is inherent in being a supporter. To outwarded denigrate the achievments of a coach that has been there 14 seasons and made grand finals and won us a flag. Then liken them to players who have not. Denigrates them as well.

Denigrate the whole club and get another like from 88.

Why is it denigrating to put guys that have tried their whole life. I think that trying your hardest to become an AFL player, only to fall short, is nothing wrong, nothing to denigrate, in fact, I respect them deeply. So I see it as a compliment to put Horse in with all the other guys I mentioned, because they've busted their guts for a dream that was never fulfilled.

Second point I'm a little confused about, I don't understand what C88 and I agreeing has anything to do about anything?

Also, I don't know why you're so angry about me referring to Horse like a second string player. The fact of the matter is that you can be the 200th best player and still get spot in a team, whereas if you're the 19th best coach you out. I think Horse is a fantastic coach, within the top 5-10 in the world, but it's not good enough. THAT'S OKAY. I'm trying my best to point out that just because I don't think he's good enough to win another premiership doesn't mean his past accomplishments were worth nothing, and that it doesn't take away from the bloke that he is.

 

[Kapers]

Let's all have a free swing at Horse. Kick a man when he is down.
Friends, teammates, true teammates stick by their mates.
What I see is weak people having a free hit at people. That is what weak people do.

Continue on on having a free at our club and enjoying it by liking the posts as well.

I will be watching all the weak people having casual shots at Horse. That is the weak people.

Those of you with CHARACTER that have some sort of SPINE, those of you that have lived life and understand HARDSHIP. Those of you that appreciate FRIENDS. Friends that stand by you when things don't always go the right way.

Weak people pile in on people experiencing hardship.
Strong people say how can I help.

Which one of you keyboard warriors are you.

You all know who you are.

By your posts I do.

Ok, assuming this is directed towards me.

This is no free swing, we're supporters, we aren't Horse's friend, we're his clients.

If I had a friend going through what Horse is, 100% I've got his back, but as client of the football club, I want what's best for the club ahead of what's best for Horse.

 

[Kapers]

Sorry for dragging these posts up, I only check this board once a week to see what's going on. One of the great things about AFL and sports, is that in a year you can shut everyone up.

Horse has the chance to shut everyone up next year, and I hope he takes it. My money is that he fails.