Sam Jacobs

[simba_]

Our bash brothers are without question Salter and Logan, or maybe Salter and Paul Stewart with Thomas and Logan the smaller, slightly more insane bash brothers. Brogan is the bash dad.

 

[philthy05]

Some of you are judging him very harshly. He was stiff to get dropped late in the season, as he provides far more than Hampson in the ruck. Hampson got picked on potential and the ability to kick a goal but the MC made the right decision in playing Jacobs in the final.

He's only 22, (very young for a ruckman) with less than 20 games experience. He has shown significant improvement every season and has been without a doubt the best ruckman in the VFL this season.

His stats are already better than any of Adelaide's ruckmen (despite Maric being two years older and far more experienced).

Compares favourably with Brogan too: -2 disposals, -1.8 hitouts, +1 tackles, +0.2 goals per game.

When you factor in Jacobs' 65% gametime to Brogan's 80%, it becomes all the more impressive. On a per TOG basis, Jacobs is ahead in every statistic.

Stats aren't the all of it and he's not a super athlete. I've no doubt can hold down the number one position as early as next season. Put another 40 games and two preseasons into him and you'll have a very solid ruckman.

AFL is a great game, because stats tell 10% of the story. this has nothing to do with jacobs because i havent seen enough to comment on this ( but i think it would be even too early for anyone outside his club), brogan is very under-rated by alot of people in that he isnt one of the elite ruckmen in the afl, but has regularly changed the game for us. just through sheer will and competitiveness.

you can tell me jacobs stats match up to brogan, but im yet to see that he is or will become 1/3rd the footballer brogan is. when i say yet, who knows he may in time? very hard to tell, just my point is stats dont always mean as much. you can parade 100 players past me with double the stats of logan but half the heart. sometimes it tells the truth, sometimes not. your post has been much more sensible than alot of posts on here, im just trying to get something across for all the people ready to proclaim this guy the next ruck messiah.

 

[Coobk001]

Hello.

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[RussellEbertHandball]

First time I saw Jacobs play an AFL game was against us at Footy Park in rd 8 this year. My immediate thought was he was a huge mother f$%^er and wondered where he had come from. In that game I reckon he beat Broges and Trengove around the ground with his size at ball ups and boundary thrown ins. He used his body well. But he looked a bit slow and cumbersome with the ball at ground level and in play. In the few games I have seen him play since then on TV, I didn't notice anything different.

But on Sunday he played a great game. It looks like he had lost weight and was more agile than what he was at Footy Park. But that might be TV vs real life optical illusion as some players look bigger or smaller on TV compared to in the flesh. He didn't do his chances of sides being interested in him any harm as he contributed a lot more than just tapping the ball even though a lot of those taps were to advantage.

Carlton seem to have 4 good young ruckmen on their list all with decent big bodies - Kruezer, Warnock, Hampson and Jacobs. Then there is O'hAlpin as another potential ruckmen. No surprise he wants to come home if he doesn't reckon he will get games when everyone is fit and firing. Last year I was impressed with Hampson as a young ruckman. But he hasn't played much this year. Any Blues supporters can fill us in why he hasn't played much this year and where a fully fit Hampson sits in pecking order of the 4 ruckman?

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

First time I saw Jacobs play an AFL game was against us at Footy Park in rd 8 this year. My immediate thought was he was a huge mother f$%^er and wondered where he had come from. In that game I reckon he beat Broges and Trengove around the ground with his size at ball ups and boundary thrown ins. He used his body well. But he looked a bit slow and cumbersome with the ball at ground level and in play. In the few games I have seen him play since then on TV, I didn't notice anything different.

But on Sunday he played a great game. It looks like he had lost weight and was more agile than what he was at Footy Park. But that might be TV vs real life optical illusion as some players look bigger or smaller on TV compared to in the flesh. He didn't do his chances of sides being interested in him any harm as he contributed a lot more than just tapping the ball even though a lot of those taps were to advantage.

Carlton seem to have 4 good young ruckmen on their list all with decent big bodies - Kruezer, Warnock, Hampson and Jacobs. Then there is O'hAlpin as another potential ruckmen. No surprise he wants to come home if he doesn't reckon he will get games when everyone is fit and firing. Last year I was impressed with Hampson as a young ruckman. But he hasn't played much this year. Any Blues supporters can fill us in why he hasn't played much this year and where a fully fit Hampson sits in pecking order of the 4 ruckman?

Hampson had a crap pre-season and injury riddled year. He got played ahead of Jacobs a few times (once Kruezer went down) because he could offer a better option up fwd + they wanted to see what Hampson could do after a promising 2009. Hampson showed very littlel this year but there are excuses...ruckman need everything to go right.

I'm personally not that much of a fan of Hampson. 1) We paid a decent pick to draft him, 2) it will take years to develop him for 1-3 years of form payback, and that is if he makes the grade. Poor return unless he develops like the Freak Sandilands. For every Sandi, there are 20+ others who fail so odds are low.

So Hampson is a athletic freak right now with hit and miss footy intelligence. Most people rate Jacobs ahead of him for sure. Most rate Hampsons upside much more...basically because we cant rate him any other way lol.

The only real argument to keep Hampson over Jacobs is because we have what we feel are two VERY good rucks in Kruezer/Warnock. This would allow Hampson to develop and pinch hit through injuries to the above 2...a perfect set up for a not rdy athletic freak type player.

So on ability it is Kreuzer, Warnock, Jacobs, and Hampson.

Why do Carlton fans support shopping Jacobs around...well, we have heard he wants to go home to SA, and secondly, we do realize we have some pretty big structural holes in our side. Trading one of our rucks might just help us put something together to snag a KPP defender which we desperately need. So we rate Jacobs but we need to risk to win.

Carlton are trying to complete the player jigsaw puzzle like hell during Judd's playing time. We need to do it quickly, and Jacobs is a card we should be playing.

 

[Asgardian]

so now our captain comes out and says that a backup for Brogan is a high priority and that we should be targetting out of favour ruckmen such as Jacobs and Will Minson

A contradiction to what Rhode said yesterday

Yep, saw that with interest.

I'd like to see us recruit Jacobs using the pick we get for Krakouer

 

[coryne]

Yep, saw that with interest.

I'd like to see us recruit Jacobs using the pick we get for Krakouer

Why would we take the pick you got for Krakouer ???

1) Jacobs is worth MORE than your 2nd rd pick, let alone your compensation pick

2) Carlton finished above Port on the ladder, so if the compensation pick value is based off Carlton's final ladder position it will be worth even less to Carlton this year

3) Carlton are on the improve, thus will be heading up the ladder, further decreasing the value of the compensation pick in years to come


You should be shopping the compensation pick around to clubs who finished towards the bottom of the ladder, not to those heading towards the top .................

 

[Doctor Feel]

Why would we take the pick you got for Krakouer ???

1) Jacobs is worth MORE than your 2nd rd pick, let alone your compensation pick

2) Carlton finished above Port on the ladder, so if the compensation pick value is based off Carlton's final ladder position it will be worth even less to Carlton this year

3) Carlton are on the improve, thus will be heading up the ladder, further decreasing the value of the compensation pick in years to come


You should be shopping the compensation pick around to clubs who finished towards the bottom of the ladder, not to those heading towards the top .................

 

[coryne]

Yeah I am serious ...................


The AFL hasn't said

1) How trading a compensation pick works

2) How the value of the pick will be determined if the pick isn't used in the year it is traded.


Do you have an actual answer to what value the pick would have if Carlton revieved it this year and decided to use it next year ??? Does the team have to nominate the year it will be used in and then trade it that season or are they traded as a "compensation" pick and the value determined the year the new team want's to use it ???


There is a shit load of grey area surrounding them ...............

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

tbh Jacobs value is in the pick #25 range.

I'd say his value is closer to our 2nd than our 1st though.

It also wouldn't be a bad idea to wait til he's uncontracted and then target him then. I don't really see a need for a "ready made" ruck right now, just an insurance one.

 

[wapower]

Why would we take the pick you got for Krakouer ???

1) Jacobs is worth MORE than your 2nd rd pick, let alone your compensation pick

2) Carlton finished above Port on the ladder, so if the compensation pick value is based off Carlton's final ladder position it will be worth even less to Carlton this year

3) Carlton are on the improve, thus will be heading up the ladder, further decreasing the value of the compensation pick in years to come


You should be shopping the compensation pick around to clubs who finished towards the bottom of the ladder, not to those heading towards the top .................

Not every club is stupid like Carlton when it comes to overpaying for a ruckman. You lot have preconceived notions of what ruck values are given how Fremantle bent you over in the Warnock trade.

 

[Spadge]

Not every club is stupid like Carlton when it comes to overpaying for a ruckman. You lot have preconceived notions of what ruck values are given how Fremantle bent you over in the Warnock trade.

come on wapower!
Jacobs had a good game on the weekend so surely he is worth 3 first round draft picks

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Hampson had a crap pre-season and injury riddled year. .......

Carlton are trying to complete the player jigsaw puzzle like hell during Judd's playing time. We need to do it quickly, and Jacobs is a card we should be playing.

Thanks for the info BlueGibbs. Interesting insight into your rucks. If you keep 3 of the 4 and they all stay injury free or even with Carlos as back up, you will be very strong in that department for several years.

Yep finding those players to support Judd is an important mission. Geez his third quarter was brilliant. If you had converted a few shots for goal at the end of the third and early in the fourth then that would have gone down in history as Judd's win. I know there were a lot of contributors, but he just dragged the whole side forward.

 

[dav3]

1) Jacobs is worth MORE than your 2nd rd pick, let alone your compensation pick

fine....... compensation pick + m. westhoff

DEAL!

 

[wapower]

come on wapower!
Jacobs had a good game on the weekend so surely he is worth 3 first round draft picks

If it's the strength of one game performances we're after then surely Port Adelaide could have given up our first round draft choices for a decade to secure the services of Marty McGrath or Daniel Metropolis.

 

[Coobk001]

The jacobs deal will have to involve D Motlop or Salopek IMO to secure a better pick. The compensation pick wont be satisfactory enough.

 

[Portology]

The jacobs deal will have to involve D Motlop or Salopek IMO to secure a better pick. The compensation pick wont be satisfactory enough.

Motlop would give Carlton the most "x-factor" forward line in the AFL plus henderson/kreuzer/warnock/oHailstorm. good luck rolling that mix together. I'd take it though depending on what pick swaps were also thrown in, because instant backup for Brogan is a bigger priority than backup for Hitchy/Gray/Ebert/maybe Dav (if survives).

Salopek, who else will Carlton throw in ? why drag a mostly non playing "insurance" ruck to Adelaide in exchange for a gun first 22 mid who is exactly what we need on the park. while you can never have enough first 22 mids surely that isn't what Carlton needs most (does Sal really want to go back to playing running HBF??). no matter what you do with pick swaps, this option doesn't add up IMO. Not unless something unlikely has happened behind the scenes, like say Brogan has made a sudden/secret decision to retire now, and we've all agreed not to tell to protect our bargaining position for a better deal

 

[b0ydman]

Not every club is stupid like Carlton when it comes to overpaying for a ruckman. You lot have preconceived notions of what ruck values are given how Fremantle bent you over in the Warnock trade.

Thats a bald faced lie and you know it

Take Barnaby French for instance...he...just....needs...a ...little....more....time

that is all

 

[wapower]

Thats a bald faced lie and you know it

Take Barnaby French for instance...he...just....needs...a ...little....more....time

that is all

Port Adelaide drafted Barnaby French, we didn't trade for him. If Jacobs insists on coming back to South Australia I'd prefer he ended up on our list rather than the Crows. The sticking point is finding amicable value between Jacobs, Port Adelaide and Carlton.

Any serviceable ruckman is an upgrade on what the Crows have bar Maric.

 

[blues4flag]

I'll puke if we trade for Motlop. Probably the most selfish footballer in the league. Can't stand the guy.

 

[Portology]

I'll puke if we trade for Motlop. Probably the most selfish footballer in the league. Can't stand the guy.

Your club decided fairly recently that a chronically selfish person who kicks you 100 goals was so not worth having at your club that you were better off paying him to play elsewhere for two years of his contract. So I see where you might be coming from. OTOH, a seemingly selfish footballer who can kick goals at the rate anywhere between 25-55 a season may just find a whole new lease of life in a new environment. Big difference.

I'd be amazed if you guys trade for Mots anyway, I don't think Carton is that environment for him his family is in Perth. As I've posted before I'd be more than a bit surprised if we traded for Jacobs.

 

[Powerade 08]

I'll puke if we trade for Motlop. Probably the most selfish footballer in the league. Can't stand the guy.

It's a tie between D.Motlop, Jeff Gartlett, Mitch Robinson and Lachlan Henderson for me.

Goal assists per game:

Motlop 0.6
Robinson 0.4
Garlett 0.4
Henderson 0.6

Frees against per game:

Motlop 0.6
Robinson 1.4
Garlett 0.5
Henderson 0.6

God knows how Carlton made the eight with so many footballers that blues4flag wouldn't consider trading for in their team.

 

[philthy05]

Why would we take the pick you got for Krakouer ???

1) Jacobs is worth MORE than your 2nd rd pick, let alone your compensation pick

2) Carlton finished above Port on the ladder, so if the compensation pick value is based off Carlton's final ladder position it will be worth even less to Carlton this year

3) Carlton are on the improve, thus will be heading up the ladder, further decreasing the value of the compensation pick in years to come


You should be shopping the compensation pick around to clubs who finished towards the bottom of the ladder, not to those heading towards the top .................

1) i dont think so. maybe im wrong, but if you love him so much keep him. when was the last time someone paid under pick 25 for a footballer who isnt wanted at his club?

2) ummm maybe 2 spots on the ladder, whick has sfa to do with our compo pick

3) sure, dont take it for granted. and again, where you are on the ladder , has sfa to do with our compo pick

the compo pick is awarded to the team, in the case of a 2nd round it is available directly after our pick. that doesnt change when we trade it lol. the afl arent going to give for example a 1st round pick to st kilda then let them trade it to wc to become pick 5. thats just stupid.

 

[DonDraper]

"3) Carlton are on the improve, thus will be heading up the ladder, further decreasing the value of the compensation pick in years to come"


Carlton in 2009 - Finished 7th, 1st Round Finals Exit

Carlton in 2010 - Finished 8h, 1st Round Finals Exit

They're on the up!

 

[philthy05]

but at least we know they're coming