Scott Camporeale's Contractual Status

[OB1]

Nothing wrong with that. Now Campo has a chance to think about the repercussions of his selfish decision. The Carlton board are bitter towards him. That's to be expected. The supporters have similar feelings towards him. How will Bomber supporters treat him I wonder? Bit like Justin Murphy I suspect. Won't mind him if he plays well. Hate him when he's not performing.

He's a sellout. Neither club will remember him as a great player, and that's the legacy he'll leave. For what though? 100 grand more?

Do you feel the same way about Stephens?

You're probably spot on with Bombers supporters attitudes to him (if he actually does end up with us) If we get him for nothing then I'm happy with that but if we happen to miss out (he stays or gets picked up by Coll/Haw) then I won't be to dissapointed. He should certainly improve our midfield mix 06/07 but his potential tutoring of our younger midfielders for longer term could be the biggest value. Our midfield, although improving, has been our achillies heal for the last few years & injecting some experience in there as well as the imporvement of the kids could be the difference in making the finals or not. You could argue that Essendon sneaking into the 8 next year wouldn't be a good thing for us but I for 1 want to make the finals every year & never ever want to see us tanking at the bottom simply for picks.

 

[understudy]

People please keep to the topic.

 

[Bee Vee]

Are you claiming that Camporeale was delisted?

FFS.

Obviously you are struggling to comprehend my initial post which explains your ridiculous responses.
There are reasons Carlton are retaining Camporeale until the last moment.
It is related to his attitude and that of his manager during contract negotiations.
His selfishness is a disgrace and you can have him.
(When it suits Carlton, not Camporeale)

BTW, dont undersell how many soft recievers you already have.

 

[dave_27]

When Fev starts pi$$ing on people

I wouldnt put it past him.

 

[JeffDunne]

Season Stats suggest otherwise JD:

             Games  Goals    Av    Marks  Av    Disposals     Av
Whitnall      22       24   1.09   139   6.32    339        15.41
Hamill        12       20   1.67    59   4.92    168        14
Riewoldt      16       33   2.06   131   8.19    232        16
Gehrig        22       78   3.55   114   5.18    220        10

I suppose he got easy marks playing against taller CHF all season as well!
But we all know that facts are something your not familiar with now don't we

WTF???

All those stat's show is that Whitnall is not a key forward.

 

[Deej]

WTF???

All those stat's show is that Whitnall is not a key forward.

I agree. Whitnall is not a player that you can build a premiership side around and as such does not justify that sort of wage.

But then, I thought/still think that about a player your mob poached of us in 2001, don't i JD.

 

[smthomson]

WTF???

All those stat's show is that Whitnall is not a key forward.

But you mentioned he played ALL year in the backline JD
So how can he be classed as a key forward if that is the case??
Make your mind up!
PS. Still was a lot more effective than someone like Aaron Hamill

 

[douggie the don]

LOL - fair dinkum . . . need I say it?

The only time Whitnall was effective in 2005 was playing as a loose man in the backline. No team is going to man him up and crowd their forward line against your rabble. All he did was get easy kicks.

Season Stats suggest otherwise JD:
Games Goals Av Marks Av Disposals Av
Whitnall 22 24 1.09 139 6.32 339 15.41
Hamill 12 20 1.67 59 4.92 168 14
Riewoldt 16 33 2.06 131 8.19 232 16
Gehrig 22 78 3.55 114 5.18 220 10

I suppose he got easy marks playing against taller CHF all season as well!
But we all know that facts are something your not familiar with now don't we

hah. that post was awful....
you've just strengthened the argument against yourself..

 

[douggie the don]

But you mentioned he played ALL year in the backline JD
So how can he be classed as a key forward if that is the case??
Make your mind up!
PS. Still was a lot more effective than someone like Aaron Hamill

because that's where he should be playing. the fact that he wasn't delivering and ended up down back doesn't mean he's not a key forward

 

[Funkalicous]

Do you feel the same way about Stephens?

No. We needed Stevens much more than you need Camporeale, so naturally we were gonna accept him with open arms. Plus he came to us a couple of years ago and will play with us for many more. He's one of us now. A true Carlton man.

 

[JavaBlue]

Lappin has at least not bagged the club publicly - Campo has damaged ..the club IMO.

Another Carlton supporter myth - perpetrated by morons and swallowed by sheep. Just another example of the old line - everything is the players' fault.

Please give me quotes showing where Campo has 'slagged' off the club. Here's the link - do you need someone to read it to you?

http://www.theage.com.au/realfooty/...ointed-not-blue/2005/10/21/1129775961066.html

 

[RoK]

WTF???

All those stat's show is that Whitnall is not a key forward.

Hahaha mate you lost,atleast be a man about it or in your case a big boy.

 

[HBF]

Campo said that he wanted out becuase he was sick of losing and needed a change on scenery. One suspects that Essendon is not going to pay Campo more than what he was offered at Carlton, and I would be surprised if it was even the same wage.

If he wants to leave, then good luck to him. I hope he finishes his career with Essendon on a high note. I'm just not sure what value he can bring to Essendon.

I just think the club would have expected more from one of it's veterans and someone who was/is part of the leadership group at Optus Oval.

 

[Walshy_The_Goat]

Seriously take him, please!

I being a Carlton supporter, have never particularly liked Campo as a player of the game and it is safe to say that he goes about his game in the wrong manner/attitude.

Besides that however, to say the least, he has never deserved the money that he was getting paid by the club performance wise, especially during these last 3-4 years where the team has been travelling very badly on form. Yet he has the cheek to drain the club of further money that a majority of is already being blatently wasted on a player that hasn't fully contributed to the team as a player or a leader on the field.

While i do realise that it is obviously the club's ignorance in offering a $ figure above the amount that he would normally be paid, the fact is that despite being over paid in terms of worth he acts pretencious and asks for more.

All i can say is, to those supporters of the club that picks him up, be prepared to be frustrated and annoyed at his game.

Other than that all the very best at your new club Campo.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Another Carlton supporter myth - perpetrated by morons and swallowed by sheep. Just another example of the old line - everything is the players' fault.

Please give me quotes showing where Campo has 'slagged' off the club. Here's the link - do you need someone to read it to you?

http://www.theage.com.au/realfooty/...ointed-not-blue/2005/10/21/1129775961066.html

Don't need to re-read the article Java. Saying he is sick of losing is nothing but a backhanded swipe at the club because it implies he is better than that and it is the rest who are losing. Saying he is upset with contract negotiations but he wasn't after a long contract and money was not an issue is baffling. All in all he accepted no blame but left the reader believing he was saving himself from a sinking ship. You don't have to be Einstein to know he was firing a shot at the club. The media report that he was waiting in the OO carpark ready to put on an Essendon jumper hardly enamoured himself to many fans who (believe it or not) put the guy on a pedestal prior to all this.

Aside from that, back when you were posting regularly a couple of years back, I used to appreciate many of your contrary stances but one thing I didn't expect was that you would strongly attack fellow supporters in an open forum such as this one. Four poor years have lead to a loss of unity in the supporter base and have some willing to believe anything negative about the club they can, so much so that they are barely recognised as Carlton supporters any more.

'Morons', 'sheep', having to read it to me ..... why don't you play the ball instead of the man for a change? The higher level of respect I used to have to someone is directly linked to how infuriated I feel when they make personal attacks and reduce themselves to the level of ineloquent flies in the ointment. I'm not sure why you even support the club any more, so willing are you to believe they are the cause of everything unholy in the world.

Campo tried to disassociate himself from the recent losing history of the club which IMO is insulting to the club. It is in the eye of the beholder and I believe it to be so (as do many others). You want to support the player over the club ... so be it.

It would be nice if you offered alternatives to the board you despise, the coach you despise, the game plan you despise, what we should have done with Campo and Beaumont and the other players who were all destroyed by Pagan. It would be nice to see some breaking down of issues instead of a blanket everything we do and everything we say is wrong policy.

You're hurting with our predicament, I'm hurting and so are many others. Some of us just deal with it better than others and believe where there is something uncertain in the way the club are going about things, it has more chance of succeeding with support than it does amongst turmoil. The supporter base is tearing the club apart in my view because everytime something goes wrong, they want to tear it all down and start again. Nobody wants to put in the hard yards.

Feel free to hook in further if you must. It entertains opposition supporters who believe everything bad and nothing good, so while you become one of them, it sets you further away from the club which is unfortunate. Happy to talk via PM, MSN, other forums but not happy to be part of a sideshow attraction. Your choice.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Another Carlton supporter myth - perpetrated by morons and swallowed by sheep. Just another example of the old line - everything is the players' fault.

Please give me quotes showing where Campo has 'slagged' off the club. Here's the link - do you need someone to read it to you?

http://www.theage.com.au/realfooty/...ointed-not-blue/2005/10/21/1129775961066.html

I this think part is a pretty fair reason why he's leaving. I think the relationship is similar with a few others as well and a big part of our problems.

"It's funny, as soon as he walked out the door, I said to (fiancee) Ally, his persona is very similar to Parko (Parkin). The way he speaks and the message he tries to get across, he is very, very similar to Parko. And that is exciting for me. David has been a massive influence on my time there at Carlton, that is for sure."

While it is natural for a player to have a closer bond with a premiership coach than one with whom you received two wooden spoons, it is clear the Camporeale-Pagan relationship was not as close. Parkin is a wedding guest, Pagan is not.

"(Denis and I) had our ups and downs, as I am sure a lot of players have," Camporeale said. "Denis has been a successful coach and obviously I have made a decision to leave and it is a combination of reasons … but it is obviously a small part of it as well."

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I this think part is a pretty fair reason why he's leaving. I think the relationship is similar with a few others as well and a big part of our problems.

"It's funny, as soon as he walked out the door, I said to (fiancee) Ally, his persona is very similar to Parko (Parkin). The way he speaks and the message he tries to get across, he is very, very similar to Parko. And that is exciting for me. David has been a massive influence on my time there at Carlton, that is for sure."

While it is natural for a player to have a closer bond with a premiership coach than one with whom you received two wooden spoons, it is clear the Camporeale-Pagan relationship was not as close. Parkin is a wedding guest, Pagan is not.

"(Denis and I) had our ups and downs, as I am sure a lot of players have," Camporeale said. "Denis has been a successful coach and obviously I have made a decision to leave and it is a combination of reasons … but it is obviously a small part of it as well."

As much as I loved Parko, he and then Britts ran the list into the ground. 1995 was our crowning glory but also a massive detour in our fortunes. Rice, Pearce, Clape, Manton all came off recruiting wise for a while at least but it also encouraged the club to continue recycling players and not just with crap draft picks either. The other thing that happened in 1995 was that after being frustrated with 93 and 94 finals failures, Parkin empowered the players, allowed them to motivate each other and themselves, allowed them to basically decide how they would play. It worked, the players were empowered and they were happy. The problem was that when we hit rock bottom in 2002 and our list was at its worst prospect wise, we got a new coach who had his own runs on the board and they didn't include empowering the players to do it their way. He was hired to rebuild the list and return us to the big time and he couldn't do that by letting the status quo remain. Quite simply, we no longer had Bradley starring, Captain Kernahan, SOS, a fit Ratten, a spry McKay, a reliable Sexton etc etc etc and allowing the 2003 Blues to do it their way would have been foolhardy. All of the players that came through the Parkin/Brittain era have found it hard to adjust to Denis, to adjust to the fact they were king fish before and were now just one of many fish who were all expected to swim the same way.

Walker's father says Walk's loves Carlton, Jarrad Waite will never leave IMO, all of our youngsters re-signed with a minimum of fuss.

Maybe it is time to stop speculating about all of the players who hate Pagan and start looking at exactly why they hate Pagan. We can't just speculate that Pagan is the common theme so it must be all his fault. He's the coach, not their mother, not their friend and he is the common link between every player on our list so he is 44 times to be implicated in any problems that come up.

A coach is supposed to motivate players sure but he is also there to discipline players. However he is definitely not there to pander to egos, especially professional egos that should know better. Fevola is going off the rails too, has Denis supported him unconditionally through it all? No, he has let it be known that he is disappointed. He forgave a lot originally but eventually, he has to let go and let the player know which way is up.

 

[MarkT]

Alternatively Parkin is/was a significantly better coach than Pagan.

 

[jules101]

All im going to say is that he can play football.

Out of contract at Carlton, should he nominate for the pre season draft, several clubs have the chance to snare him for peanuts before the red and black get a look in.

Food for thought ..

Yes there are three clubs ahead of essendon however:
1. Carlton- Not going to redraft a player that wants to leave
2. Collingwood- Youth Policy
3. Hawthorn- Youth policy and wouldn't be able to pay campo's terms

 

[understudy]

Yes there are three clubs ahead of essendon however:
1. Carlton- Not going to redraft a player that wants to leave
2. Collingwood- Youth Policy
3. Hawthorn- Youth policy and wouldn't be able to pay campo's terms

He hasnt been ruled out by Collingwood.

Lets just wait and see what MM decides.

 

[borissey]

He hasnt been ruled out by Collingwood.

Lets just wait and see what MM decides.

I think he'd be great for Collingwood. They've got enough tough midfielders on their own to let him play out wide and dominate. Although Carlton fans dont like Campo at the moment for this breakdown, he will offer good value in the right role - not one where he has to be a leader or defensive in my book - and a Club with enough midfielders to leave him outside will really benefit.

Campo isnt a 2 year option either. He has had virtually no injuries and can be expected to play for 3 years minimum.

I think the Pies are finally ready to bounce and playing Campo Winf / HFF is a great move.

Plus this would leave Essendon empty handed after seemingly starting the whole ball rolling.

Dont doubt that Campo will be a great pickup to anyone who isn't going to sit on the bottom for 2-3 years. I think Carlton and Essendon are both in that position.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Alternatively Parkin is/was a significantly better coach than Pagan.

Maybe so Mark. Just as Leigh Matthews is a great coach but eventually ran out of answers at Collingwood and was credited with running their list ragged. Not a shot at Parko by any stretch, he found something that worked and persevered with it far too long, much like Pagan is supposedly doing with his gameplan.

Do you agree that empowering players to live and die by their own decisions works for a decent list but could be disastrous for a weakening list? I know if I am given power at work and then have some of it taken away again, I get mightily ********ed off, even if there is logic behind the decision. We did empower our players, then we fell and the power was taken away ... and guess what? The players got ********ed off about it. Doesn't mean the decision by a new coach to take control in an effort to arrest the slide was the wrong one to make. Damaged egos resulting from that are really just collateral damage.

 

[Longy413]

The guy can play, but he'd really only be of any value to a side with a good midfield, looking for a little depth and being a realistic premiership chance in the next two seasons.

Doesn't that point contradict the one below?

Should have stayed at Carlton...............think he might regret that we it's all said and done.

 

[nonchalance]

Plus this would leave Essendon empty handed after seemingly starting the whole ball rolling.

We don't do that.

We will talk to players that want to leave, and clubs that want to trade, but we're not interested in poaching.

 

[JavaBlue]

ODN - you have been going on about Campo slagging the club. This, as far as I am concerned, puts you in the same camp as all those so-called supporters who participate in those childish 'bash Campo' threads so popular in Carlton forums. You have been unable to come up with any concrete examples of Campo slagging the club - "implies", "backhanded swipe", "left the reader believing" do not cut it as slagging. He was basically asked why he left the club and how he felt. His answers - not such a great relationship with Pagan. (this is well known outside the woolshed); not happy with the dodgy negotiation process (no different from what Lappin said and if the process was similar to Lappo's then it would seem the club did not negotiate in good faith) and these points (friction with the administration and coach) coupled with the fact we have been losing for 4 years (also well known) have left him drained and in need of a change. After 10 years and at 32 years of age, it does become more difficult to get yourself up every week - more so if the environment your working in is less than stable.

Self interest? More than likely - most people include that in their decision making. Is it just a money issue? He says no and since there's probably no great difference between what he would have got at Carlton and what he'll get at the Dons, I see no reason to disbelieve him. I detected no overt nastiness in the article and their were no real surprises in what he said. In fact, very polite compared with the undeserved crap he's copped from our intelligent supporters over the last 3 years.

As for the photo op at OO, that was possibly planned by Essendon with the belief that Campo would be traded to the Dons. He would have been their boy and if they wanted to photograph him in a Bomber jumper, that's their right and their business. It would have been a nice positive media release for the Dons - you know, the types Carlton can't seem to get lately because they're too busy negotiating with the players via the media.

I don't support Campo going nor do I say that he's completely blameless - I've said fom the beginning , it takes two to tango but at least I try to understand it from his perspective. The big pity is that we failed to get any compensation. In the short term, we will miss his 460+ disposals - in the long term it's not going to make a whole lot of difference. The main thing that worries me is that this constant bagging is going to go on and on ala Hamil - can't people build a bridge and get over that river they're crying?

The thing is ODN, I'm really sick of hearing the same old crap ad nauseum: 1. the players are all soft c*cks and fat cats and are bleeding the club dry 2. Parko and Brittain spoilt the players by allowing them to do what ever they wanted 3. Parko ran the list down. Why are we still clinging to these reasons after three years!! NO new analysis?? These so-called reasons have now become red herrings, and have diverted attention away from a more objective look at what's (and who's) going wrong. I'm surprised an old wolf like you hasn't developed a few other perspectives. JUst the same old blah blah....