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toasty said:
The person in that second clip on the film strip is not Hamill, he is wearing a WHITE shirt, look at it you clown Hamill arrived after Micheal hit from behind at least hopoate took on an uninjured man but from the back and you clown I have seen the full footage. Hamill arrives after the first attack from Michael from Reiwoldts right the guy on the left is the Saints trainer

Thomas has admitted the trainers left 10-15 seconds before the incident and that Riewoldt was on his way back to full forward.

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toasty said:
The person in that second clip on the film strip is not Hamill, he is wearing a WHITE shirt, look at it you clown Hamill arrived after Micheal hit from behind at least hopoate took on an uninjured man but from the back and you clown I have seen the full footage. Hamill arrives after the first attack from Michael from Reiwoldts right the guy on the left is the Saints trainer

Please, I ask you, check the footage again. Although Hamill arrives from the right, Riewoldt continues to run, and just before Mal comes in with the first slight bump, Hamill then is on his left, in exactly the same spot you have highlighted.
 
toasty said:
The person in that second clip on the film strip is not Hamill, he is wearing a WHITE shirt, look at it you clown Hamill arrived after Micheal hit from behind at least hopoate took on an uninjured man but from the back and you clown I have seen the full footage. Hamill arrives after the first attack from Michael from Reiwoldts right the guy on the left is the Saints trainer

Saints trainers wear red shirts with black piping. Only their shorts are white. The trainer was heading back to their seat near the 50m arc, and in fact it was a completely different trainer (a female IIRC) who ends up escorting him off after the bumps. Note how she has a hand on his back as he goes of and no-ones bumps him then.
 
toasty said:
The person in that second clip on the film strip is not Hamill, he is wearing a WHITE shirt, look at it you clown Hamill arrived after Micheal hit from behind at least hopoate took on an uninjured man but from the back and you clown I have seen the full footage. Hamill arrives after the first attack from Michael from Reiwoldts right the guy on the left is the Saints trainer
Here's a few more frames that you might like to look at:
reiwoldt1.jpg
 
reiwoldt4.jpg

That is clearly not a trainer. And if you watch the clip (which you obviously haven't) you will see him come back into picture a second or two later.

(sorry for multiple posts, not allowed to put that many images in one)
 

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GhostofJimJess said:
Let's not make rules on the run, though. If we want such behaviour eliminated from the game, then so be it. I'll even sign the petition. But let's do it in a calculated, balanced manner, free from the ridiculously subjective and reactionary baying of the narky St Kilda and apparently-slighted Collingwood fans ...

Of course, once implemented, such "new" regulations should not be enforced retrospectively, just to appease the Michael/Scott critics.

Alright, alright, that's a fair point. They have not contravened a Law of the Game aside from the fuzzily defined "unduly rough play". The AFL needs to better define this.

Still the AFL will want to be seen cracking down on such bad sportsmanship. Anyone who thinks cracking down on bad sportsmanship is a symbol of our new "wussy" age of "netball players" (I say again: netballers stand a greater chance of injury while playing than do martial artists) obviously missed the whole "Bodyline" controversy.


I'd also like to point out that the "reactionary baying of the St. Kilda and Collingwood supporters" was actually most visible on this forum at least from a Richmond supporter - tigerboyz. As for me, Collingwood supporter as I am, if Michael and Scott hadn't looked like they were working together to injure Nick you wouldn't've heard a word from me. Some of us are living in 2005, not 2003 :p
 
Sorry, but they just replayed the footage on the Sunday Footy Show and the trainer was still running with Reiwoldt when Michael first came in for the hit
The footage provided before doesn't show it, but the other angle shows it clearly
 
Infamy said:
Sorry, but they just replayed the footage on the Sunday Footy Show and the trainer was still running with Reiwoldt when Michael first came in for the hit
The footage provided before doesn't show it, but the other angle shows it clearly
I guess Grant Thomas tell lies then....

"I think he came off pretty well quickly, but there was a period of about 10 to 15 seconds where the trainers weren't with him or didn't stay with him. They are processes we will talk about at the club and we'll get them improved," he told Triple M radio.

Saints too slow to act: Thomas
 
Homer Jnr said:
a) How does that tie into it?

b) Where was he headed then? Certainly not to the bench. He was sore, no-one not even Riewoldt knew how bad the injury was. Where is this 10 metre rule? So Goddard will be gone for his bump about 15 metres off the ball on McGrath? All bumping to now be outlawed in the goal-squares and on the edge of the centre square because of that rule?

c) Now you are just blubbering like 'Captain Courageous' himself. 100 times better than them both put together? Premiership medals? He is a great player, but now you are simply talking out of your arse. They couldn't handle him being the Brownlow favourite? So they are going to hunt down Chris Judd and attack him with a baseball bat? To call them weak from behind a keyboard is awfully weak of yourself.

4. You mean kARma? So Hamill is excused due to karmic reallignment? That must mean your case just died in the arse because of the Thurgood incident, talk of karma.




Premiership medals only because they get more than a million dollars more to spend on players.
 
What a beat up this whole thing has been , Eddie and Dennis ( can't believe Dennis being a football man being so soft about this ) start it up with their exaggerations and then the one eyed Saints fans , the Brisbane haters and soft c#*ks jump on the bandwagon.

Taken two days but the real footy people are finally getting heard , only one I have heard who thinks M & S have case to answer in Kevin Bartlett . Growing list who think it is a non event includes Brereton, Lyon, Carey, Aylett, Walls, Dunstall and even Reiwoldt himself.

Grant Thomas and the Saints fans have to face the fact the rest of the league aren't going to bend over for them because they are young and talented . How talented we will see over the next 6 weeks , you've lost your best player and time for their players and coach to step up .

Saints staff should take a look at themselves , reported on Saturday that they were all sitting around feeling sorry for themselves when Nick was off and Saints players who were off with cramp were working on each other.

Grant Thomas reckons if M & S were his players he would have a talk to them , would that be the same talk he gave little Stevie Baker after he was targetted by the Tigers last year ?
 
Tezmyster said:
I guess Grant Thomas tell lies then....

"I think he came off pretty well quickly, but there was a period of about 10 to 15 seconds where the trainers weren't with him or didn't stay with him. They are processes we will talk about at the club and we'll get them improved," he told Triple M radio.

Saints too slow to act: Thomas

You really do sound like a broken record, I've read the article and I've seen the footage from all angles provided
You could argue that Reiwoldt wasn't in the hands of the trainers at the time, but there was definitely a trainer jogging with him just behind and to his left which is why he's not in the footage you've linked to
 
Infamy said:
You really do sound like a broken record, I've read the article and I've seen the footage from all angles provided
You could argue that Reiwoldt wasn't in the hands of the trainers at the time, but there was definitely a trainer jogging with him just behind and to his left which is why he's not in the footage you've linked to
No arguement except that the only Riewoldt was jogging with a runner was when he was leaving the field and that was after the bumps. I may sound like a broken record except at least I'm able to piece what happened together in a logical fashion.
 
Infamy said:
Sorry, but the vision from behind Reiwoldt clearly shows the trainer jogging with him at the same time Michael comes in for the first bump
Could you post a video or screen capture of it? Every piece of footage I've seen shows something different so I'd like to clarify.
 
Cmon ladies !!!!!

Good on them for smashing the little ******.

ROFLMAO @ U fools banking on these guys getting suspended
let alone charged.

The afl will "look into it" just to quell the heat of the debate,but in reality they can be charged with nothing.

LMAOOO@ u Girls
 
That it's a dirty, low act entirely designed to throw Reiwoldt off his game is undeniable. That it was even within the rules is entirely debatable given the ball was nowhere near.

HOWEVER, there is absolutely nothing reportable in the incident.

The common argument put forward that Reiwoldt was leaving the field via the forward pocket holds about the same amount of water as a sieve - if he was that injured he wasn't going to leave via the interchange gate, then he would have gone directly to the nearest point on the line to leave the field of play - and that was not the forward pocket.

That there was a trainer nearby is true. However, Reiwoldt had indeed waved off the trainers, and that trainer was not actually assisting Reiwolt off the ground. On the basis of that it is reasonable to think he was heading back into position with a minor injury. Most club's enforcers would try out a player in that situation. Hammil certainly would.

Finally, that the play wasn't right there is fairly irrelevant. Players bump each other off the ball all game, every game. To cite players for bumping a player who could quite reasonably have been thought to be in play would be ridiculous, as you would set up a precedent where any player who has possibly been hurt being un-bumpable and you'd have 10 players a week up at the tribunal.
 
ALwaysNorth said:
What a beat up this whole thing has been , Eddie and Dennis ( can't believe Dennis being a football man being so soft about this ) start it up with their exaggerations and then the one eyed Saints fans , the Brisbane haters and soft c#*ks jump on the bandwagon.

Taken two days but the real footy people are finally getting heard , only one I have heard who thinks M & S have case to answer in Kevin Bartlett . Growing list who think it is a non event includes Brereton, Lyon, Carey, Aylett, Walls, Dunstall and even Reiwoldt himself.
The incident occurred on Thursday night. It's Sunday and its still all over the papers and the radio. More important, the ordinary football follower is still debating it. It's not a beat up. It's not an issue created by commentators. All that McGuire and Cometti did was to point out that it happened and to show it on replay. This incident is of importance to the general public, not all of whom take the macho approach. It will be looked at by the AFL. If it doesn't get to the tribunal, the two will get, at least a very public wrap across the knuckles; at worst, a fine. If it gets to the tribunal, at least one of the two will go down in some way or another. If any of Brereton, Lyon, Cary, Aylett, Dunstall etc say its a non event, then they are wrong.
 

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