Scott Pendlebury - Standing in the game?

[RichLeMonde]

Next up: Marcus Bontempelli

	Marcus Bontempelli	Scott Pendlebury
Clearances (career avg)	5.05	4.4
Contested possession (career avg)	11.17	10.4
Goals + goal assists (career avg)	1.72	1.26

Score involvements

Year	Bontompelli	Pendlebury
2012		7.4
2013		7.6
2014		6.5
2015		6.8
2016	6.7	8.1 (7th)
2017	6.9	7.2
2018	6.5	5.8
2019	7.3	6.3
2020	4.9	4.7
2021	7.4	5.3
2022	7.8	5.5
2023	7.7	5.9
Avg	6.9	6.4

Bont a better contested bull, also has more scoreboard impact, averaging almost 0.5 more goals + goal assists, and 0.5 more score involvements than SP.
Clear winner: Marcus Bontompelli

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[South of the Yarra]

Yes indeed

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[Chronz]

Next up: Patrick Dangerfield

	Patrick Dangerfield	Scott Pendlebury
Clearances (career avg)	5.48	4.4
Contested possession (career avg)	13.22	10.4
Goals + goal assists (career avg)	1.74	1.26

Score involvements

Year	Dangerfield	Pendlebury
2012	6.8	7.4
2013	7.0	7.6
2014	6.6	6.5
2015	7.1	6.8
2016	8.5	8.1 (7th)
2017	8.0	7.2
2018	7.9	5.8
2019	7.3	6.3
2020	6.0	4.7
2021	5.1	5.3
2022	6.5	5.5
2023	5.9	5.9
Avg	6.9	6.4

Dangerfield averging 1 clearance and almost 3 CPs more than SP, 0.5 more goals + goal assists, and 0.5 more score involvements.
Clear winner: Patrick Dangerfield

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Now add disposal efficiency, effective disposals etc.

 

[Fadge]

Now add disposal efficiency, effective disposals etc.

Nah, not in his interests to use a full data set.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Interesting Dustin Martin’s Clanger count is never shown.

 

[Fadge]

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I'd like to see our friend RichLeMonde measure Pendlebury's unprecedented skillset as explained in that article in tabular format...

 

[RichLeMonde]

Next up: Josh Kennedy (Sydney)

	Josh Kennedy	Scott Pendlebury
Clearances (career avg)	6.24	4.4
Contested possession (career avg)	13.81	10.4
Goals + goal assists (career avg)	1.04	1.26

Score involvements

Year	Kennedy	Pendlebury
2012	6.3	7.4
2013	6.5	7.6
2014	7.8	6.5
2015	6.7	6.8
2016	7.3	8.1 (7th)
2017	5.9	7.2
2018	5.1	5.8
2019	5.4	6.3
2020	3.6	4.7
2021	4.9	5.3
2022	3.6	5.5
2023	NA	5.9
Avg	5.7	6.4

JPK the much better inside bull. JPK not as impactful on the scoreboard, averaging about 0.2 less goals + goal assists, and 0.7 less score involvements.
Split decision winner: Scott Pendlebury

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[RichLeMonde]

Now add disposal efficiency, effective disposals etc.

Easy to have higher disposal efficiency when you take low risk options. When you take higher risk options, you're more likely to **** it up, but also more likely to put a teammate in a dangerous position. Danger and Dusty take higher risk options - that's why they have lower DE and more clangers, but also more score involvements than SP. Also why SP is pretty low for metres gained

 

[South of the Yarra]

Easy to have higher disposal efficiency when you take low risk options. When you take higher risk options, you're more likely to * it up, but also more likely to put a teammate in a dangerous position. Danger and Dusty take higher risk options - that's why they have lower DE and more clangers, but also more score involvements than SP. Also why SP is pretty low for metres gained

No they are less skilled that’s why. The desperation by Tigers fans is becoming amusing. Yet again I will remind you Pendles averages more goal assists than Martin.

 

[Fadge]

Easy to have higher disposal efficiency when you take low risk options. When you take higher risk options, you're more likely to * it up, but also more likely to put a teammate in a dangerous position. Danger and Dusty take higher risk options - that's why they have lower DE and more clangers, but also more score involvements than SP. Also why SP is pretty low for metres gained

Danger and Dusty also spend more time forward of centre than Pendlebury. That might explain the difference in score involvements?

 

[Fadge]

No they are less skilled that’s why. The desperation by Tigers fans is becoming amusing. Yet again I will remind you Pendles averages more goal assists than Martin.

How can Pendlebury possibly average more goal assists than Martin, despite having played about 100 more games and much less time forward of centre?

 

[RichLeMonde]

Next up: Patrick Cripps

	Patrick Cripps	Scott Pendlebury
Clearances (career avg)	7.04	4.4
Contested possession (career avg)	14.58	10.4
Goals + goal assists (career avg)	0.96	1.26

Score involvements

Year	Cripps	Pendlebury
2012		7.4
2013		7.6
2014		6.5
2015	4.8	6.8
2016	5.3	8.1 (7th)
2017	4.1	7.2
2018	5.4	5.8
2019	5.2	6.3
2020	4.9	4.7
2021	6.3	5.3
2022	6.7	5.5
2023	6.4	5.9
Avg	5.5	6.4

Hard to rate this one. Cripps' contested numbers are out of control. Averging 7 clearances over a career is unbelievable, as is averaging close to 15 contested possessions. SP averaging 0.3 goals + goal assists more, along with 0.9 score involvements. Does that extra scoreboard impact make up the difference in clearance and contested ball?
Result: split draw!

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[RichLeMonde]

No they are less skilled that’s why. The desperation by Tigers fans is becoming amusing. Yet again I will remind you Pendles averages more goal assists than Martin.

Pendlebury averages 0.01 more goal assists. If Pendlebury is so skilled, and also attempts to execute as difficult long kicks as a Martin or Danger, why don't his touches set up chains of possession culminating in scoring shots? No one cares about having a high kicking efficiency if you're not doing damage

 

[RichLeMonde]

Danger and Dusty also spend more time forward of centre than Pendlebury. That might explain the difference in score involvements?

So, finally, we agree that SP is not as damaging, and gets plenty of his touches not in dangerous spots (while also not racking up contested possession or clearanc). It's not like he plays a quarter-backing role either, as his metres gained are pretty low.

 

[nahnah]

Next up: Patrick Cripps

	Patrick Cripps	Scott Pendlebury
Clearances (career avg)	7.04	4.4
Contested possession (career avg)	14.58	10.4
Goals + goal assists (career avg)	0.96	1.26

Score involvements

Year	Cripps	Pendlebury
2012		7.4
2013		7.6
2014		6.5
2015	4.8	6.8
2016	5.3	8.1 (7th)
2017	4.1	7.2
2018	5.4	5.8
2019	5.2	6.3
2020	4.9	4.7
2021	6.3	5.3
2022	6.7	5.5
2023	6.4	5.9
Avg	5.5	6.4

Hard to rate this one. Cripps' contested numbers are out of control. Averging 7 clearances over a career is unbelievable, as is averaging close to 15 contested possessions. SP averaging 0.3 goals + goal assists more, along with 0.9 score involvements. Does that extra scoreboard impact make up the difference in clearance and contested ball?
Result: split draw!

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no point winning the clearance if you just turn it over and the other team rebounds, scoreboard impact much more definitive from a raw stat perspective

 

[RichLeMonde]

Next up: Clayton Oliver

	Clayton Oliver	Scott Pendlebury
Clearances (career avg)	6.88	4.4
Contested possession (career avg)	15.56	10.4
Goals + goal assists (career avg)	0.91	1.26

Score involvements

Year	Oliver	Pendlebury
2012		7.4
2013		7.6
2014		6.5
2015		6.8
2016		8.1 (7th)
2017		7.2
2018	7.4	5.8
2019	5.5	6.3
2020	3.8	4.7
2021	7.2	5.3
2022	7	5.5
2023	6.4	5.9
Avg	6.23	6.4

Oliver a clearance and contested beast, averaging almost 2.5 clearances (> 50%) more than SP. Also significantly more score involvements than other insiders like Cripps and Neale, only 0.17 less than SP. Pendlebury clearly better at tattoos

Close winner: Clayton Oliver

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[Fadge]

So, finally, we agree that SP is not as damaging, and gets plenty of his touches not in dangerous spots (while also not racking up contested possession or clearanc). It's not like he plays a quarter-backing role either, as his metres gained are pretty low.

Or alternatively, different players have different strengths and attributes, and are play different roles for their team based on their respective teams' game plans and playing personnel...

There's a reason Pendlebury has had more possessions than anyone in the history of the game - it is in his teammates interests for Pendlebury to be controlling the football.

There is a reason Collingwood have made the top 4 9 times during Pendlebury's 18 year career, and Pendlebury has finished in the top 3 in his club's Best and Fairest in 14 of those seasons.

But no, let's just use game averages for very convenient data elements to compare the careers of players who have played far fewer games into their 30's (many of whom haven't yet reached their 30's) upon which to base our assessment.

 

[Unpredictable]

I suggest watch 1990 again. I was at every game and I am sure you will be able to go through and tell me which games Daicos played HBF, which games he played midfield and which games forward.

In '90, was he a forward, HBF, or a midfielder then?

You could answer that for me if you were there? I don't need to go back and watch games when 97 goals suggests it was forward in '90. 24 goals in '89 suggests midfield.

 

[EatMyDusty]

Whatever you say, Mr. Priddis > Pendlebury.

Not overall but his peak yeah. No Brownlow as a pure mid not top 25 sorry champ.

 

[RichLeMonde]

Not overall but his peak yeah. No Brownlow as a pure mid not top 25 sorry champ.

Also never named as a starting ruck-rover, rover or centre in an AA team, which generally goes to the 3 best mids in a season

 

[EatMyDusty]

Also never named as a starting ruck-rover, rover or centre in an AA team, which generally goes to the 3 best mids in a season

Agreed. If there was a “consistently ordinary” award Pendles would be the king.

Don’t think I’ve ever seen him dominate a game, has absolutely no X factor.

I was staggered to hear his goal in the 2023 GF was the first and only goal he has ever kicked in a GF (he has played in 4 I believe). It was also a charity goal from Bobby Hill that he could’ve kicked easily. Why do people rate this guy? He averages the same legit goals as Maynard (zilch) in GFs who is a DEFENDER!!!

 

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[South of the Yarra]

Tigers fans are hurting. Clinging to anything they can. The hurt they have from our great Champion Pendles dominating last quarters of Grand Finals leading his team to a Premiership whilst there own waning player Dustin Martin only performing with a few goals when games are over as he leads his team to 13th is evident. This is beautiful

 

[Chronz]

Next up: Clayton Oliver

	Clayton Oliver	Scott Pendlebury
Clearances (career avg)	6.88	4.4
Contested possession (career avg)	15.56	10.4
Goals + goal assists (career avg)	0.91	1.26

Score involvements

Year	Oliver	Pendlebury
2012		7.4
2013		7.6
2014		6.5
2015		6.8
2016		8.1 (7th)
2017		7.2
2018	7.4	5.8
2019	5.5	6.3
2020	3.8	4.7
2021	7.2	5.3
2022	7	5.5
2023	6.4	5.9
Avg	6.23	6.4

Oliver a clearance and contested beast, averaging almost 2.5 clearances (> 50%) more than SP. Also significantly more score involvements than other insiders like Cripps and Neale, only 0.17 less than SP. Pendlebury clearly better at tattoos

Close winner: Clayton Oliver

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Had a big Saturday cherry picking stats.

 

[EatMyDusty]

Tigers fans are hurting. Clinging to anything they can. The hurt they have from our great Champion Pendles dominating last quarters of Grand Finals leading his team to a Premiership whilst there own waning player Dustin Martin only performing with a few goals when games are over as he leads his team to 13th is evident. This is beautiful

Love how you used “last quarter” says a lot about how he went the other 3 quarters. Sounds pretty desperate.