Scott Pendlebury - Standing in the game?

[Unpredictable]

Pendles is the OKC Russell Westbrook of the AFL

I see him as more of a Toni Kukoc. You can put Pendlebury on the bench in the AA team, or even out on a wing, because the main players get the better roles. Is Westbrook a sixth man in the NBA?

Dustin Martin would be more of a Michael Jordan, the centrepiece.

 

[Unpredictable]

I get that Collingwood fans don't like Richmond, but placing Pendlebury ahead of Dusty, Dangerfield AND Fyfe is next level delusion. He's a really good player, but come on......

You can put him ahead of Dangerfield (Spudd Webb) or Fyfe (Tom Gugliotta) in my opinion.

 

[Pistol Night]

You can put him ahead of Dangerfield (Spudd Webb) or Fyfe (Tom Gugliotta) in my opinion.

Kevin Bartlett was definitely Phil Smyth

 

[Unpredictable]

Kevin Bartlett was definitely Phil Smyth

I can see why you'd say that, but I'm thinking more like Alen Iverson.

 

[Pistol Night]

I can see why you'd say that, but I'm thinking more like Alen Iverson.

Next you'll tell me Toby Nakervis is Wilt Chamberlain

 

[Unpredictable]

Next you'll tell me Toby Nakervis is Wilt Chamberlain

No. Arvydas Sabonis.

 

[South of the Yarra]

I get that Collingwood fans don't like Richmond, but placing Pendlebury ahead of Dusty, Dangerfield AND Fyfe is next level delusion. He's a really good player, but come on......

Trying to compare a bloke who has had 4 good seasons to a champion with 15 plus years of excellence is what is laughable.

 

[RichLeMonde]

Trying to compare a bloke who has had 4 good seasons to a champion with 15 plus years of excellence is what is laughable.

Head to head, Dusty has had a better score involvement avg than SP 9 seasons to 3, in the 12 seasons since 2012.

But you’re right, SP’s vastly superior hitouts and tackle numbers definitely make up for that lack of damage

 

[South of the Yarra]

Head to head, Dusty has had a better score involvement avg than SP 9 seasons to 3, in the 12 seasons since 2012.

But you’re right, SP’s vastly superior hitouts and tackle numbers definitely make up for that lack of damage

The below says it all really. Martin who plays forward cannot even have more goal assists than Pendles. That is unbelievable. You’re clinging to one stat. You sound like Simon Goodwin with ‘expected score’ results.

The frightening part is that Pendles has a better disposal efficiency despite getting more clearances and contested possession.
When Martin has as many All Australians as Pendles, come and talk to me. Martin is so far behind the greats of the game, it is ridiculous.



Disposals
Pendlebury 25.81
Martin 24.55

Tackles
Pendlebury 4.75
Martin 2.83
Wow didn't realise Martins tackle count was so poor

Rebound from 50
Pendlebury 1.60
Martin 1.19

Clearances
Pendlebury 4.40
Martin 3.91

Contested Possession
Pendlebury 10.44
Martin 9.98

Clangers
Martin 3.91
Pendlebury 2.38
Insane considering Pendlebury has more contested possession, clearances and more disposals.

1 percenters
Pendlebury 1.76
Martin 1.15

Goal assists
Pendlebury 0.75
Martin 0.74
Shock, shock, shock Pendles averages more goal assists.

Handballs
Pendlebury 12.92
Martin 9.20

Hitouts
Pendlebury 0.17
Martin 0.06

Uncontested Possession
Pendlebury 15.27
Martin 14.46

 

[South of the Yarra]

Score involvements rofl

‘Number of scoring chains where a player was involved with either a disposal, hitout-to-advantage, kick-in or knock-on. If a player has two disposals in the same scoring chain, he is credited with one score involvement.’

So it could be a knock onto a player on the wing that 5 disposals later results in a point. Oh my what a stat.

 

[RichLeMonde]

The below says it all really. Martin who plays forward cannot even have more goal assists than Pendles. That is unbelievable. You’re clinging to one stat. You sound like Simon Goodwin with ‘expected score’ results.

The frightening part is that Pendles has a better disposal efficiency despite getting more clearances and contested possession.
When Martin has as many All Australians as Pendles, come and talk to me. Martin is so far behind the greats of the game, it is ridiculous.



Disposals
Pendlebury 25.81
Martin 24.55

Tackles
Pendlebury 4.75
Martin 2.83
Wow didn't realise Martins tackle count was so poor

Rebound from 50
Pendlebury 1.60
Martin 1.19

Clearances
Pendlebury 4.40
Martin 3.91

Contested Possession
Pendlebury 10.44
Martin 9.98

Clangers
Martin 3.91
Pendlebury 2.38
Insane considering Pendlebury has more contested possession, clearances and more disposals.

1 percenters
Pendlebury 1.76
Martin 1.15

Goal assists
Pendlebury 0.75
Martin 0.74
Shock, shock, shock Pendles averages more goal assists.

Handballs
Pendlebury 12.92
Martin 9.20

Hitouts
Pendlebury 0.17
Martin 0.06

Uncontested Possession
Pendlebury 15.27
Martin 14.46

So SP averages 5% more possessions, 10.8% more clearances, 4.6% more contested possessions, and 1% more goal assists.

Meanwhile DM averages 122% more goals than SP (more than double), and 11% more score involvements.

If you think the stats you’ve put up make SP look impressive compared to Martin, then you’re mistaken. Given SP’s extra time spent in the middle, his midfield numbers should be blowing Martin’s out of the water. Instead, they’re almost identical, while Martin chips in an extra 0.6 goals a game, or about an extra 5% of the team’s score.

 

[South of the Yarra]

So SP averages 5% more possessions, 10.8% more clearances, 4.6% more contested possessions, and 1% more goal assists.

Meanwhile DM averages 122% more goals than SP (more than double), and 11% more score involvements.

If you think the stats you’ve put up make SP look impressive compared to Martin, then you’re mistaken. Given SP’s extra time spent in the middle, his midfield numbers should be blowing Martin’s out of the water. Instead, they’re almost identical, while Martin chips in an extra 0.6 goals a game, or about an extra 5% of the team’s score.

I don’t think, I know they make Pendles more impressive. It a disgrace Dusty doesn’t have more Goal assists. And how could Dusty not have better disposal efficiency despite less contested possession and less clearances. Same for his Clanger count, Pendles should be far higher with contested ball and clearances. You know why, because Dusty lacks skills. Let’s watch Dusty’s stats continue to decline as he ages then compare the two. Oh but those score involvements.

 

[RichLeMonde]

Score involvements rofl

‘Number of scoring chains where a player was involved with either a disposal, hitout-to-advantage, kick-in or knock-on. If a player has two disposals in the same scoring chain, he is credited with one score involvement.’

So it could be a knock onto a player on the wing that 5 disposals later results in a point. Oh my what a stat.

Yeah it’s a really silly stat.

Here are the top 10 in score involvements since 2012 (when it started being recorded)

2012 - Buddy, S Mitchell, Jobe, Scott Thompson, Jordan Lewis, T Walker, Pavlich, Roughead, Swan, N Riewoldt

2013 - T Cloke, Jobe, GAJ, Swan, S Johnson, Boomer, Pavlich, Buddy, Roughead, N Riewoldt

2014 - Buddy, Gray, Roughead, GAJ, Boomer, Tex, JPK, Selwood, Hawkins, Mitchell

2015 - Kennedy, Roughead, Mitchell, Deledio, Gunston, Tex, LeCras, Shiel, Franklin, Lynch

2016 - Lynch (Adelaide), Buddy, Danger, Greene, Tex, Gray, Pendlebury, Lynch, S Johnson, Kennedy

2017 - Buddy, Dusty, Tex, GAJ, Kennedy, Danger, Zorko, Lynch, Pendlebury, J Cameron

2018 - Dusty, Buddy, Hawkins, Danger, Fyfe, Riewoldt, GAJ, J Cameron, Hogan, Coniglio

2019 - J Cameron, Lynch, Bont, Dusty, Kelly, Danger, Hawkins, Dunkley, Buddy, De Goey

2020 - Hawkins, Petracca, Danger, Dusty, Neale, Lyons, L Ryan, M Duncan, Gunston, Gray

2021 - Petracca, Greene, Tex, Zorko, Parish, Fyfe, Bont, Hawkins, Oliver, Wingard

2022 - Hawkins, Petracca, J Cameron, Tex, Bont, S Bolton, Curnow, Laird, Warner, Merrett

2023 - Petracca, Greene, Tex, J Cameron, Dusty, Bont, Curnow, Coniglio, Miers, Green

Yup, just random blokes tapping the ball forward on the wing. It’s the stat that probably more correlated to AA selection than any other

 

[South of the Yarra]

Yeah it’s a really silly stat.

Here are the top 10 in score involvements since 2012 (when it started being recorded)

2012 - Buddy, S Mitchell, Jobe, Scott Thompson, Jordan Lewis, T Walker, Pavlich, Roughead, Swan, N Riewoldt

2013 - T Cloke, Jobe, GAJ, Swan, S Johnson, Boomer, Pavlich, Buddy, Roughead, N Riewoldt

2014 - Buddy, Gray, Roughead, GAJ, Boomer, Tex, JPK, Selwood, Hawkins, Mitchell

2015 - Kennedy, Roughead, Mitchell, Deledio, Gunston, Tex, LeCras, Shiel, Franklin, Lynch

2016 - Lynch (Adelaide), Buddy, Danger, Greene, Tex, Gray, Pendlebury, Lynch, S Johnson, Kennedy

2017 - Buddy, Dusty, Tex, GAJ, Kennedy, Danger, Zorko, Lynch, Pendlebury, J Cameron

2018 - Dusty, Buddy, Hawkins, Danger, Fyfe, Riewoldt, GAJ, J Cameron, Hogan, Coniglio

2019 - J Cameron, Lynch, Bont, Dusty, Kelly, Danger, Hawkins, Dunkley, Buddy, De Goey

2020 - Hawkins, Petracca, Danger, Dusty, Neale, Lyons, L Ryan, M Duncan, Gunston, Gray

2021 - Petracca, Greene, Tex, Zorko, Parish, Fyfe, Bont, Hawkins, Oliver, Wingard

2022 - Hawkins, Petracca, J Cameron, Tex, Bont, S Bolton, Curnow, Laird, Warner, Merrett

2023 - Petracca, Greene, Tex, J Cameron, Dusty, Bont, Curnow, Coniglio, Miers, Green

Yup, just random blokes tapping the ball forward on the wing. It’s the stat that probably more correlated to AA selection than any other

Yes, you are spot on. It is a really silly stat. Bordering on ridiculous

 

[Caligo]

Yeah it’s a really silly stat.

Here are the top 10 in score involvements since 2012 (when it started being recorded)

2012 - Buddy, S Mitchell, Jobe, Scott Thompson, Jordan Lewis, T Walker, Pavlich, Roughead, Swan, N Riewoldt

2013 - T Cloke, Jobe, GAJ, Swan, S Johnson, Boomer, Pavlich, Buddy, Roughead, N Riewoldt

2014 - Buddy, Gray, Roughead, GAJ, Boomer, Tex, JPK, Selwood, Hawkins, Mitchell

2015 - Kennedy, Roughead, Mitchell, Deledio, Gunston, Tex, LeCras, Shiel, Franklin, Lynch

2016 - Lynch (Adelaide), Buddy, Danger, Greene, Tex, Gray, Pendlebury, Lynch, S Johnson, Kennedy

2017 - Buddy, Dusty, Tex, GAJ, Kennedy, Danger, Zorko, Lynch, Pendlebury, J Cameron

2018 - Dusty, Buddy, Hawkins, Danger, Fyfe, Riewoldt, GAJ, J Cameron, Hogan, Coniglio

2019 - J Cameron, Lynch, Bont, Dusty, Kelly, Danger, Hawkins, Dunkley, Buddy, De Goey

2020 - Hawkins, Petracca, Danger, Dusty, Neale, Lyons, L Ryan, M Duncan, Gunston, Gray

2021 - Petracca, Greene, Tex, Zorko, Parish, Fyfe, Bont, Hawkins, Oliver, Wingard

2022 - Hawkins, Petracca, J Cameron, Tex, Bont, S Bolton, Curnow, Laird, Warner, Merrett

2023 - Petracca, Greene, Tex, J Cameron, Dusty, Bont, Curnow, Coniglio, Miers, Green

Yup, just random blokes tapping the ball forward on the wing. It’s the stat that probably more correlated to AA selection than any other

I miss the days when 1/3 of the top 10 were all hawks

 

[RichLeMonde]

I miss the days when 1/3 of the top 10 were all hawks

Lol yup, they sure were. Probably had a few more in the top 20 as well. Freakish team

 

[Fadge]

You said that Dustin Martin is a midfielder/forward, but what position does Pendlebury play?

Tell us you don't watch footy without telling us you don't watch footy...

 

[Unpredictable]

Tell us you don't watch footy without telling us you don't watch footy...

You're an idiot. SotY brought up stats from a midfielder to show everyone he had better averages than a midfielder/forward in various categories, I believe that's as stupid as you.

 

[Fadge]

Head to head, Dusty has had a better score involvement avg than SP 9 seasons to 3, in the 12 seasons since 2012.

But you’re right, SP’s vastly superior hitouts and tackle numbers definitely make up for that lack of damage

Of course Martin has, because he spends a lot more time forward of the ball than Pendlebury does.

How about you share the comparisons year on year in the same way I have. Rankings each year.

Let's go.

 

[Fadge]

2016 - Lynch (Adelaide), Buddy, Danger, Greene, Tex, Gray, Pendlebury, Lynch, S Johnson, Kennedy

Hang on.

So Tom Lynch, the Adelaide version, was #1 for score involvements in a given year, and you're trying to use this stat to win an interwebz debate?

Oh my.

 

[RichLeMonde]

Of course Martin has, because he spends a lot more time forward of the ball than Pendlebury does.

How about you share the comparisons year on year in the same way I have. Rankings each year.

Let's go.

Yes, and what does Pendlebury do better than Martin, by way of his spending more time in the middle?

0.5 clearances and 0.5 contested possessions more per game than Martin. You really think that makes up for Martin’s 0.6 extra goals/game?

A goal is worth just a little bit more than a clearance, or a contested possession.

 

[Fadge]

Yes, and what does Pendlebury do better than Martin, by way of his spending more time in the middle?

0.5 clearances and 0.5 contested possessions more per game than Martin. You really think that makes up for Martin’s 0.6 extra goals/game?

A goal is worth just a little bit more than a clearance, or a contested possession.

All words, no substance.

I've shared rankings on a year by year basis.

Time for you to do yours. Make sure you include defensive influence and leadership.

Go.

 

[Forward Press]

Richmond supporters and ruining unrelated main board threads with their nonsense, name a more iconic duo.

 

[Fadge]

You're an idiot. SotY brought up stats from a midfielder to show everyone he had better averages than a midfielder/forward in various categories, I believe that's as stupid as you.

So tell us what stats count, and what stats don't count. In consideration of the fact different players play different roles based on game plan and playing personnel.

Go.

 

[Fadge]

Richmond supporters and ruining unrelated main board threads with their nonsense, name a more iconic duo.

But, but, but... Dusty GOAT something something.