SEASON 2019

[MortlockWatcher]

D2 clubs and the EFL wouldn't like that.

Berwick finishing with 18-0 with a 300+ percentage in D2 before claiming the flag would be a horror look.

D1 would be a better start and there is a precedent with Balwyn, Noble Park and Donvale when they all crossed to the EDFL/EFL to start above the lowest rung. Common sense would prevail.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

D2 clubs and the EFL wouldn't like that.

Berwick finishing with 18-0 with a 300+ percentage in D2 before claiming the flag would be a horror look.

D1 would be a better start and there is a precedent with Balwyn, Noble Park and Donvale when they all crossed to the EDFL/EFL to start above the lowest rung. Common sense would prevail.

Yep agree - just means there’s two clubs being relegated from D1. And it’s a tight division... its really Division 2 - they have the stupid “Premier” name thing now - and Division 2 is historically extremely close.

Knox and East Ringwood are currently the bottom two, but both have three wins, percentage in the 80s and are only a game off eighth. It’s not as though there’s clubs travelling terribly who would be suited to going down.

Will be a fair bit of “what’s in it for us?” from EFL clubs. They get put out just because the whole SEFL / MPNFL / SFL region can’t get their shit together and establish the right structure.

 

[table tennis]

Coaching opportunity

 

[aussie80s]

Yep agree - just means there’s two clubs being relegated from D1. And it’s a tight division... its really Division 2 - they have the stupid “Premier” name thing now - and Division 2 is historically extremely close.

Knox and East Ringwood are currently the bottom two, but both have three wins, percentage in the 80s and are only a game off eighth. It’s not as though there’s clubs travelling terribly who would be suited to going down.

Will be a fair bit of “what’s in it for us?” from EFL clubs. They get put out just because the whole SEFL / MPNFL / SFL region can’t get their **** together and establish the right structure.

So are Berwick tied by a two year agreement in writing to stay in this league or was it just a verbal thing? Have all clubs agreed to a two year trial before a review is held?

I remember when Silvan wanted out, the YVMDFL blocked their move proposal. The following year, when they were forced to stay, Silvan just went through the motions before being allowed to leave at the end of that year. I think the South Belgrave move went easier, maybe it was to do with the timing of their request. Panton Hill and Kinglake also had trouble getting out as I remember being at a delegates meeting in the mid 90s and it got quite verbal before the YVMDFL relented and let those clubs go.

The EFL does have netball so if a football/netball club wanted to move across then that shouldn't be a hindrance. I think they have 8 divisions but the teams themselves are based on their own strength rather than the strength of the senior football club, therefore the football and netball clubs play at different venues rather than travel together.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

So are Berwick tied by a two year agreement in writing to stay in this league or was it just a verbal thing? Have all clubs agreed to a two year trial before a review is held?

I remember when Silvan wanted out, the YVMDFL blocked their move proposal. The following year, when they were forced to stay, Silvan just went through the motions before being allowed to leave at the end of that year. I think the South Belgrave move went easier, maybe it was to do with the timing of their request. Panton Hill and Kinglake also had trouble getting out as I remember being at a delegates meeting in the mid 90s and it got quite verbal before the YVMDFL relented and let those clubs go.

The EFL does have netball so if a football/netball club wanted to move across then that shouldn't be a hindrance. I think they have 8 divisions but the teams themselves are based on their own strength rather than the strength of the senior football club, therefore the football and netball clubs play at different venues rather than travel together.

I don’t know what the workings behind the scenes are but I would say Berwick would face some major hurdles in being cleared to the EFL.

Firstly they may need a clearance from the OEFL, who may want them to stay in 2020 at least.

Secondly I think it would require EFL clubs voting them in. What’s in it for them?

Thirdly I think it would require AFL Vic approval and that would be a major departure as in the past they have not wanted to go outside traditional geographic areas. Heidelberg tried and were blocked.

Netball for the metro leagues is a bit different as noted - it’s played on Friday nights at central centres. Few metro clubs have netball courts like country clubs.

 

[Blue Tongue]

THE YVMDFL had bylaws that 12 months notice was required to leave, once that was given not sure the league could do much - South Belgrave did that & probably the reason Silvan had to stay for a season despite wanting to go.

 

[Derby103]

Will his jumper still have an EFL logo!!!

I've been trying to work out what you meant by that, Ken. Wasn't his EFL jumper purple with a gold eagle on the front?

Was Jarrod Bayliss unable to secure a regular place in the Vermont senior side? I always thought he was one of the top YV players, so that shows how strong Vermont is this year.

 

[localfootyguru]

Whilst the Premier Division competition favours the old SEFNL sides, kudos to Woori with the way they are performing. Once again they continue to be very competitive and go about their business with minimum "fuss". No real high profile recruits (apart from Milne) and just lots of locals but they are proving to be very competitive and certainly the best of the old YV clubs in the new competition.

I still think Olinda FC may be a possibility for finals - have got some key players back and they demolished Upwey yesterday.

Won't matter as Berwick are miles in front of everyone - funnier things have happened though, just look at Kyabram in 2018.

 

[Aeglos]

I've been trying to work out what you meant by that, Ken. Wasn't his EFL jumper purple with a gold eagle on the front?

Was Jarrod Bayliss unable to secure a regular place in the Vermont senior side? I always thought he was one of the top YV players, so that shows how strong Vermont is this year.

Played 4 in the firsts and 4 in the ressies before returning to Wandin.

 

[ManInWhite]

I've been trying to work out what you meant by that, Ken. Wasn't his EFL jumper purple with a gold eagle on the front?

Was Jarrod Bayliss unable to secure a regular place in the Vermont senior side? I always thought he was one of the top YV players, so that shows how strong Vermont is this year.

Ignoring the fact I'm not Ken, I was just having a dig at the talk weeks ago of Wandin wanting to jump across to EFL! Jugga himself has mentioned that life at Vermont was clashing with work and playing at Wandin made it easier for everything.

 

[ManInWhite]

OETV seems to be over a week behind too?

 

[Derby103]

Ignoring the fact I'm not Ken, I was just having a dig at the talk weeks ago of Wandin wanting to jump across to EFL! Jugga himself has mentioned that life at Vermont was clashing with work and playing at Wandin made it easier for everything.

Oh, I see. Thanks, Jason McNiece. Hope you are going well.

 

[Derby103]

OETV seems to be over a week behind too?

Stephen Walter would never have allowed that.

Not much discussion about Upwey-Tecoma around here. Lost at home to Healesville. Beaten by 10 goals at Olinda. Eight losses in a row equals the club record which was set in 1965. Need to beat Narre next week to avoid setting a new club record for consecutive defeats. What is going on up there?

 

[arboc21]

they are NO chance of beating Narre....

 

[ManInWhite]

Oh, I see. Thanks, Jason McNiece. Hope you are going well.

 

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14 team 1st division
Play each team once with a few local match ups to fill the fixture
Regardless of what the league does the top 3-4 of premier wont change ever. Atleast the remaining games would have a level playing field. All yvmdfl ressies in premier are struggling for numbers
Add teams like mt ev officer Pakenham in the mix it adds abit more depth to the ladder
If there are more winnable games players would be more incline to have a kick
18s can be split in to 2 divisions also
The current top end division 1 teams would be no worse off then the teams at the bottom of premier
If in 2021 teams decide to leave the make up of the premier division gets reduced and
As it is the margins will get bigger and bigger at least if it's expanded you only play the top teams once


Berwick
Narrre
Beacy
Woori
Cranbourne
Wandin
Olinda
Upwey
Healsville
Monbulk
Pakenham
Officer
Doveton
Mt Evelyn


Emerald
Belgrave
Warby
Yarra junction
Seville
Yarra Glen
Gembrook
Pow
Kinglake
Alex
Thornton
Yea

 

[ManInWhite]

All you've really done is just about leave the 2018 Div 2 alone and combined the 2018 Div 1 and SEFNL into a single grade. The SEFNL left their comp because they wanted divisional football and you've put them all in the same division. The original YV teams will just look forward to a season of home and away matches.

Would make more sense having Yea, Alex, Kinglake, Thornton join a northern league and AFLOE revert to 2 divisions with 11 each. Or 12 teams and 10. Or 10 and 12.

 

[mouth]

Not really
Emerald Warby belgrave would be demoted would make a strong top end of division 2 with them fighting with Junction Seville Gembrooke Yarra Glen

Isn't that what we have now anyways? Do you think any Yarra valley team has a chance against Berwick?
Football is dying at Least make the home and away enjoyable 80% of the time isnt it a community service at the end of the day. It may never return to the eveness of 2018 but atleast have the mojority of games where it's 50/50

Leave the top 3 out of my proposed division would you be surprised if a mt ev knocked off a wandin or Monbulk beat woori , Pakenham beat olinda
In the efl the top 3-4 are miles infront would it matter if our comp was the same
At least like I said the home and away would have alot more even matches. That's what will keep people coming through the gates


They didn't leave there league to play divisional football. They had 8 teams and tooradin was on the way out the door. Can't have a 7 team competition even when all are competitive.
Risk was clubs like yea, Thornton ect ect opting out and leaving our 2018 div 2 with 5 or 6 teams.
Then we would be forced to merge our div 1 and 2

Imagine wandin of 2018 playing poweltown
Would be a lot worse then wandin playing Berwick this year

 

[ManInWhite]

You might want to check the divisional piece. They wanted it and the grand plan was to have a 3 tier structure in the MPFNL until those teams ganged up to vote against the SEFNL teams joining. The AFLOE future direction of football document covers the concept of divisional football being attractive to the SEFNL teams.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Not really
Emerald Warby belgrave would be demoted would make a strong top end of division 2 with them fighting with Junction Seville Gembrooke Yarra Glen

Isn't that what we have now anyways? Do you think any Yarra valley team has a chance against Berwick?
Football is dying at Least make the home and away enjoyable 80% of the time isnt it a community service at the end of the day. It may never return to the eveness of 2018 but atleast have the mojority of games where it's 50/50

Leave the top 3 out of my proposed division would you be surprised if a mt ev knocked off a wandin or Monbulk beat woori , Pakenham beat olinda
In the efl the top 3-4 are miles infront would it matter if our comp was the same
At least like I said the home and away would have alot more even matches. That's what will keep people coming through the gates


They didn't leave there league to play divisional football. They had 8 teams and tooradin was on the way out the door. Can't have a 7 team competition even when all are competitive.
Risk was clubs like yea, Thornton ect ect opting out and leaving our 2018 div 2 with 5 or 6 teams.
Then we would be forced to merge our div 1 and 2

Imagine wandin of 2018 playing poweltown
Would be a lot worse then wandin playing Berwick this year

That’s not really the case any more in the EFL. For many years the top 4 was dominant but things have changed a bit, many clubs have lifted their game and the points system has evened things out a little.

If you look at Premier Division now, it’s only really Montrose and North Ringwood who haven’t played finals in recent years. It’s evened out.

 

[The jouneyman]

Beacy looking too create a new 3 tier division competition in the west gippland,im thinking WGFL will welcome them with open arms

 

[Tangleswalker]

So on the latest count, Beaconsfield want out, Berwick want out, Cranbourne never wanted to be here in the first place.

What a debacle, the whole thing is laughable really.

 

[The jouneyman]

So on the latest count, Beaconsfield want out, Berwick want out, Cranbourne never wanted to be here in the first place.

What a debacle, the whole thing is laughable really.

Zeroing in on the small towns of the WGFL now,there so self centered those football clubs,i wouldn't even be surprised if there not happy with there VFL facilities.

 

[Tangleswalker]

What I find the most disturbing in the article is where the Beaconsfield “club icon” tells everyone that they don’t want to go to the Eastern league because “we see ourselves as country football netball with real family values”

This is the problem, just because they see themselves as rural doesn’t make it the case. They are suburban and should be playing suburban football.

The other problem is the WG clubs were overjoyed to see the back of them years ago, not convinced they want them back.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

WGFNC are VERY happy as they are now. They weren't excited about Tooradin and Warragul Industrials joining this year and reportedly demanded a three year moratorium on changes in or out of the league until the end of 2021.

They don't want divisional football and I don't think they would entertain the likes of suburban fringe clubs like Beacy or Berwick being back in the fold.