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Tony Mitchell is quoted in the Pakenham Gazette as saying

“AFL Outer East has received six requests to go up and down within the (competition) structure. This will be assessed and discussed with the applicants over the coming 60 days, where we will interview each clubs’ executive and forward plan the football from 2020 and beyond.”

It doesn't clarify how many want to go up and how many down or what divisions these clubs are in.

I've only heard of Healesville being confirmed. Are any other clubs known? How many are wanting out of Premier?
 
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Couldn't agree more about the status of West Gippsland FNL - they have no intention of changing their structure. They recently rejected the idea of the Alberton FNL clubs becoming a division 2 of the league. One of the positive things is the even nature of the competition. The proposal put froward by Airdrie is just another Outer East - big teams against smaller clubs!

I think a trend is starting to show - Beaconsfield and Berwick just wish to be the big fish in the small pond. Big egos and wouldn't be pleased wherever they go!

Interesting to speak to people recently at both Pakenham and Officer who are really enjoying the new league, relatively good footy and a welcoming environment. I know they aren't missing both Beaconsfield and Berwick regardless of what others say.
 
Unfortunately Ladies, there in lies the problem. Every time a possible solution is put forward, you shoot it down..
I think that most of you on here would only be happy if clubs are dissolved and sent into the archives of history. Will this be acceptable to you and your clubs?
Just saying.... Negative Nellies!
 

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gelder01 said:
Unfortunately Ladies, there in lies the problem. Every time a possible solution is put forward, you shoot it down..
I think that most of you on here would only be happy if clubs are dissolved and sent into the archives of history. Will this be acceptable to you and your clubs?
Just saying.... Negative Nellies!
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Good point well made.

Reading the posts over, it would seem the preferred outcome would be berwick narre beacy to efl and cranny down the peninsula. Reckon if that occurred all would be good in the hood? Only thing is - be careful what it is you wish for as who knows- efl is ever expanding and may look to make a play for the entire comp! Remembering several member clubs have an efl past such as ofcfncfc yarra Glen, wandin mount Evelyn etc...


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gelder01 said:
I think that most of you on here would only be happy if clubs are dissolved and sent into the archives of history. Will this be acceptable to you and your clubs?
Just saying.... Negative Nellies!
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There have been 58 different people who have posted comments in this thread (assuming there aren't people using multiple ID's) - I didn't count them all personally, that's the number that comes up when you click on 'Top Contributors'.

Most are general discussion topics.

Personally, my club is in Division 1 and I am happy with how my club and that division is going. I was pleased to hear that Officer are happy with their joining the League and that they hope to stay. I live in the former YVMDFL catchment area and prefer to watch my football there so I am also concerned for the long term future of all clubs in this area.

I am concerned when 6 clubs indicate they feel they are in the wrong division for them to sustainably compete in the present environment - something which has never happened before. I think our League is managing this situation at present as good as can be expected and believe we have a very good administrative structure along with very good individuals running this League. Many issues will start to sort themselves out in the next year or so.

People on this forum have discussed the future direction, where clubs may head, what obstacles are in the way, where clubs may be best suited etc (including yourself). This is a natural course of events when former SEFL clubs themselves have openly discussed these same topics in the local newspapers.

The overall strength of Berwick, Narre, Beaky and Cranbourne is what destroyed the SEFL. Keysborough bailed out when the League was formed in 2015. Hampton Park and Tooradin-Dalmore then got out due to being noncompetitive against the bigger clubs while Doveton and Officer were also looking elsewhere. The existence of the big 4 is in their own hands. If they stay in the Outer East long term then they will have to accept change. As they are actively exploring their long term futures elsewhere I suspect they will only be in this league for as long as they have to. AFL Victoria may need to play a part.

Those on here that have discussed the future direction of this League and the clubs involved have been overwhelmingly concerned for the survival of clubs. Some comments appear more rash than others but in no case have I sensed in any post something which indicated that the preferred opinion was that of clubs being 'dissolved and sent into the archives of history' as a desired option. They may lament the addition of large suburban clubs to a country league but none appear to be calling for those clubs to be extinguished.

It is a very flippant generalisation to accuse 'most' on here to wish such a fate on any club. As 'most' on here would be at least 30 individuals then I think you should back that sort of an accusation with fact. I am guessing that you won't do that as you just 'think' that. As someone who has mentioned that you are or have been an umpire in the SUA then I hope your decision making on the field is better than that comment.

Just saying
 
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The Red Door said:
To think that the new competition would work without any hiccups straight away would of been crazy.

Yes the Premier competition needs some ironing out. However Division 1 & Division 2 have been a great competitions.
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These aren’t hiccups. It’s just complete non workable situations which have turned premier level clubs in this area (Wandin, Olinda, Healesville) into second tier sides.
 
Question - would anyone in here be kicking up a stink if the new clubs were having a Croydon North-esque season?
 
I think there wouldn’t be any questions asked - YV clubs would be “crowing” and stating how strong they are and how they can easily beat the “new” clubs.

I was speaking to someone from Doveton the other day and was really suprised to hear how happy they are in the new structure. They are really enjoying competitive football and the community feel across division 1. Once again they stated they dont miss the powerhouse clubs from the SESFNL who had their own agendas and had little regard for the welfare and wellbeing of their fellow clubs. I believe they are also very keen to stay.
 
You can tell that Officer and Doveton are relieved to be away from the bigger clubs that they have struggled to compete with over recent years.

Considering competitive balance and the opinions of the WGFNC clubs as the only criteria, the best option would be for Beacy, Berwick, Cranbourne and NW to join the MPNFL - but that won't happen anytime soon given the frosty attitude of the MPNFL clubs to such ideas in the past.

Even if AFLV forces such an outcome, yet more changes to the football landscape would take place within a year or two of it being implemented - the ongoing saga in South Gippsland would be replicated on our doorstep and last just as long, ensuring further robust discussions on this page like the ones we are having now for at least the next three years.

Most of the former SEFNL clubs have been affiliated to the SWGFL, MPNFL, SEFNL and AFL OE in the space of the last 25 years, so they have all been doing a bit of rubber-balling over the years. Had the SEFNL been a two-division competition from the outset (with the addition of the southern-most Southern league teams) then I am sure that the region would have been reasonably stable in recent times and there would likely have been no need for the present set-up.
 
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aussie80s said:
There have been 58 different people who have posted comments in this thread (assuming there aren't people using multiple ID's) - I didn't count them all personally, that's the number that comes up when you click on 'Top Contributors'.

Most are general discussion topics.

Personally, my club is in Division 1 and I am happy with how my club and that division is going. I was pleased to hear that Officer are happy with their joining the League and that they hope to stay. I live in the former YVMDFL catchment area and prefer to watch my football there so I am also concerned for the long term future of all clubs in this area.

I am concerned when 6 clubs indicate they feel they are in the wrong division for them to sustainably compete in the present environment - something which has never happened before. I think our League is managing this situation at present as good as can be expected and believe we have a very good administrative structure along with very good individuals running this League. Many issues will start to sort themselves out in the next year or so.

People on this forum have discussed the future direction, where clubs may head, what obstacles are in the way, where clubs may be best suited etc (including yourself). This is a natural course of events when former SEFL clubs themselves have openly discussed these same topics in the local newspapers.

The overall strength of Berwick, Narre, Beaky and Cranbourne is what destroyed the SEFL. Keysborough bailed out when the League was formed in 2015. Hampton Park and Tooradin-Dalmore then got out due to being noncompetitive against the bigger clubs while Doveton and Officer were also looking elsewhere. The existence of the big 4 is in their own hands. If they stay in the Outer East long term then they will have to accept change. As they are actively exploring their long term futures elsewhere I suspect they will only be in this league for as long as they have to. AFL Victoria may need to play a part.

Those on here that have discussed the future direction of this League and the clubs involved have been overwhelmingly concerned for the survival of clubs. Some comments appear more rash than others but in no case have I sensed in any post something which indicated that the preferred opinion was that of clubs being 'dissolved and sent into the archives of history' as a desired option. They may lament the addition of large suburban clubs to a country league but none appear to be calling for those clubs to be extinguished.

It is a very flippant generalisation to accuse 'most' on here to wish such a fate on any club. As 'most' on here would be at least 30 individuals then I think you should back that sort of an accusation with fact. I am guessing that you won't do that as you just 'think' that. As someone who has mentioned that you are or have been an umpire in the SUA then I hope your decision making on the field is better than that comment.

Just saying
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Nah, my decision making is awful, you got me and i can't post sarcasm with a different tone in my post, i will put the word "sarcasm" in brackets after the paragraph of sarcastic comment/s so everyone is aware!! BTW, I think you meant ALL AFLOE CLUBS WILL need to ACCEPT CHANGE! Not just the big 4!

Obviously the big rumblings coming from Berwick and it's smaller sister, Beaconsfield, who by the way has a population of only 500 more than Emerald and 500 less than Officer as of 2016 census (fact), haven't heard anything from Cranbourne or Narre Warren.
Have you been to Beaconsfield Ozzie? Not sure you could call it a suburb! Too many trees to cut down and wildlife to displace still.(sarcasm)

Thank you Ozzie for the Maths lesson (sarcasm), in this day of political correctness, the minorities seem to get the most anyway! (lament)

Cheers (sarcasm again)
 
gelder01 said:
Nah, my decision making is awful, you got me and i can't post sarcasm with a different tone in my post, i will put the word "sarcasm" in brackets after the paragraph of sarcastic comment/s so everyone is aware!! BTW, I think you meant ALL AFLOE CLUBS WILL need to ACCEPT CHANGE! Not just the big 4!

Obviously the big rumblings coming from Berwick and it's smaller sister, Beaconsfield, who by the way has a population of only 500 more than Emerald and 500 less than Officer as of 2016 census (fact), haven't heard anything from Cranbourne or Narre Warren.
Have you been to Beaconsfield Ozzie? Not sure you could call it a suburb! Too many trees to cut down and wildlife to displace still.(sarcasm)

Thank you Ozzie for the Maths lesson (sarcasm), in this day of political correctness, the minorities seem to get the most anyway! (lament)

Cheers (sarcasm again)
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Cheers, Thanks for clearing up what sarcasm is.....damn, now I am stooping to your level.

Sarcasm is used to make a point. I tried to avoid the pathetic sarcasm to concentrate on the point you were making.

People on here have been discussing the issues facing the Valley clubs when larger suburban clubs join. That is not just discussion on this forum when the League confirm that 6 clubs have actually approached them to request a transfer to another division. The only time clubs had changed divisions previously was in the promotion/relegation system.

The last time I recall a club changing divisions in the YVMDFL without a wooden spoon or premiership was nearly 30 years ago when Wandin (minor premiers in all grades but lost the GF) went to Division 1 in 1990 after Powelltown decided not to go up.

Now in just 1 season we have 6 clubs concerned for their viability in some form in the division that they are in. I don't know who the 6 clubs are besides Healesville having been mentioned as one. As someone who doesn't want to see clubs dissolved and disappear I am concerned at this state of affairs that is occurring in the local district.

I have no idea what the specific concerns of those 6 clubs are but it may be that Alexandra and Gembrook don't want to be in Premier Under 18s which could be easily solved with a restructure of the U18s next year to Yarra Ranges and South East Divisions as it is in junior grades where there is the greatest disparity. If it is senior clubs wishing to drop out of Premier then that is highly unlikely to occur unless there are clubs wishing to go up. Since clubs in Division 1 seem to be expressing their contented state of affairs (my club included) I sense that only the Premier will go up.

You are correct that all clubs need to accept change as we are controlled by AFL Victoria so we eat what we are served. The Big 4 will have to accept dilution to their previous player pool depth and the other clubs - primarily former Outer East clubs now Premier Division - will have to give the proposed changes (Berwick Springs and possibly Narre North becoming senior teams) time to have an effect. I'm happy to await the outcome there as I think the League are working towards the right path there and are doing a good job. We are arguing the same point from a different perspective, its just that I am concerned for Valley clubs.

On another topic you are questioning me calling Beaconsfield a suburban club. Suburbs are the sprawling outlying districts of a city where the towns have virtually merged. It is hard to tell where one town ends and the next town starts. Country towns don't have that effect. I have been to Beaconsfield and it felt suburban to me. Perhaps I compare the Valley to the South East and you compare the South East to the inner east.

Googling aerial images of Beaconsfield gets results like the one below. It doesn't look very country to me. It does have a few trees but so does Hawthorn and Camberwell. Upper Beaconsfield, 10km away, is country but they don't have a football club. I suppose the word 'country' is one of those that depends on interpretation. As more of those housing estates go in there will be less of those trees. The Yarra Valley is in a green wedge area, created by Rupert Hamer in the 1970s, you can't even put a housing estate in.
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The satellite image seems to show that Narre Warren, Cranbourne, Berwick and Beaconsfield are all joined suburbs with Officer and Pakenham likely to join up in the next 20 years.
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Thanks for pointing out the population count, I did post that info earlier in this thread so I was aware of it. Suburbs, due to their close proximity to each other, have a greater surrounding population which country towns do not have. Beaconsfield is technically just north of the Princes Hwy, Beaconsfield South has another 6700 odd residents - so now twice the size of Officer and Emerald. Beaconsfield had 50-60 Under 18s last year, they could have fielded two teams. Most 2nd Div clubs can't even field a team. In recent years strong 1st division (now Premier) clubs Upwey, Olinda and Healesville couldn't field U18 teams. Maybe these are the clubs having concerns, we will find out in two months time.

Sarcasm, and now playing the 'silent majority persecuted by political correctness' card. Seriously? You're on a forum where some people are concerned for the welfare of their clubs, not writing a column for Andrew Bolt.
 
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You can tell that Officer and Doveton are relieved to be away from the bigger clubs that they have struggled to compete with over recent years.

Considering competitive balance and the opinions of the WGFNC clubs as the only criteria, the best option would be for Beacy, Berwick, Cranbourne and NW to join the MPNFL - but that won't happen anytime soon given the frosty attitude of the MPNFL clubs to such ideas in the past.

Even if AFLV forces such an outcome, yet more changes to the football landscape would take place within a year or two of it being implemented - the ongoing saga in South Gippsland would be replicated on our doorstep and last just as long, ensuring further robust discussions on this page like the ones we are having now for at least the next three years.

Most of the former SEFNL clubs have been affiliated to the SWGFL, MPNFL, SEFNL and AFL OE in the space of the last 25 years, so they have all been doing a bit of rubber-balling over the years. Had the SEFNL been a two-division competition from the outset (with the addition of the southern-most Southern league teams) then I am sure that the region would have been reasonably stable in recent times and there would likely have been no need for the present set-up.
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SFL, MPNFL, former SEFL...

- genuine Peninsula clubs (south of Frankston) who don’t want to travel up to the suburbs and have trouble fielding U19s as a result

- inner suburban Southern clubs often struggling for numbers as they’re now wealthy areas with kids in private school and Old Boys VAFA clubs

- Massive powerhouses in the outer south-east due to huge populations and few senior clubs

- clubs in and around Dandenong area struggling for numbers due to changes in local cultural mix

Proper independent review of the lot required. Not involving the leagues, who are self interested. Independent from the clubs up.

Hiving the problems off to surrounding leagues (YVMDFL, EFL, WGFNL) doesn’t solve the problems, it just makes them spread further. Clubs slowly moving out (which started with Noble Park many years ago) just means a slow death by 1000 cuts.
 
The biggest issue is that we have large suburbs competing against small towns. Unless a sugar daddy can fund a David to the hilt and do it under the points cap for the long term then you will see Goliath win most of the time.

Some of the former SEFNL clubs are better suited to Peninsula football, but they would need the MPNFL to spilt into two leagues on a geographic basis before any of these clubs would be able to play in a 'northern peninsula' competition.

The only other way, as Buck alluded to, is to have more senior teams in the corridor - not a short-term solution. The lack of competitiveness was a major reason why the SEFNL met its demise. Clubs like Hampton Park left the league and teams like Dingley, Keysborough, Endeavour Hills and Hallam wouldn't join a one-division competition because their chances of success were low.

I agree that independent reviews are necessary as part of the process but as we have seen in Gippsland recently, even people power can overcome final recommendations.

In my opinion, the whole South Gippsland saga has been caused by leagues banding together and defending local self-interest. The merger of the Mid Gippsland and Alberton leagues (not the best idea anyway) was scuppered by the MGFL and its clubs which put the review process back to square one.

The Alberton clubs only want to move together as a job lot of six (but recently Stony Creek have been wooing the Ellinbank league on their own) - not a good thing for the stable MGFL or the EDFL, and also the WGFNC who are seeking to consolidate their new competition. All these leagues have banded together in solidarity to say 'no' to prevent change to their competitions. The whole mess may have been prevented if the Alberton clubs moved in pairs to the three leagues which may have provided better stability and less sweeping (and more tolerable) change for the leagues and clubs.

Alas, the SEFNL clubs didn't have a variety of options in front of them in 2018. No MPNFL and no WGFNC, while Eastern and Ellinbank were not true options.
 
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aussie80s said:
Cheers, Thanks for clearing up what sarcasm is.....damn, now I am stooping to your level.

Sarcasm is used to make a point. I tried to avoid the pathetic sarcasm to concentrate on the point you were making.

People on here have been discussing the issues facing the Valley clubs when larger suburban clubs join. That is not just discussion on this forum when the League confirm that 6 clubs have actually approached them to request a transfer to another division. The only time clubs had changed divisions previously was in the promotion/relegation system.

The last time I recall a club changing divisions in the YVMDFL without a wooden spoon or premiership was nearly 30 years ago when Wandin (minor premiers in all grades but lost the GF) went to Division 1 in 1990 after Powelltown decided not to go up.

Now in just 1 season we have 6 clubs concerned for their viability in some form in the division that they are in. I don't know who the 6 clubs are besides Healesville having been mentioned as one. As someone who doesn't want to see clubs dissolved and disappear I am concerned at this state of affairs that is occurring in the local district.

I have no idea what the specific concerns of those 6 clubs are but it may be that Alexandra and Gembrook don't want to be in Premier Under 18s which could be easily solved with a restructure of the U18s next year to Yarra Ranges and South East Divisions as it is in junior grades where there is the greatest disparity. If it is senior clubs wishing to drop out of Premier then that is highly unlikely to occur unless there are clubs wishing to go up. Since clubs in Division 1 seem to be expressing their contented state of affairs (my club included) I sense that only the Premier will go up.

You are correct that all clubs need to accept change as we are controlled by AFL Victoria so we eat what we are served. The Big 4 will have to accept dilution to their previous player pool depth and the other clubs - primarily former Outer East clubs now Premier Division - will have to give the proposed changes (Berwick Springs and possibly Narre North becoming senior teams) time to have an effect. I'm happy to await the outcome there as I think the League are working towards the right path there and are doing a good job. We are arguing the same point from a different perspective, its just that I am concerned for Valley clubs.

On another topic you are questioning me calling Beaconsfield a suburban club. Suburbs are the sprawling outlying districts of a city where the towns have virtually merged. It is hard to tell where one town ends and the next town starts. Country towns don't have that effect. I have been to Beaconsfield and it felt suburban to me. Perhaps I compare the Valley to the South East and you compare the South East to the inner east.

Googling aerial images of Beaconsfield gets results like the one below. It doesn't look very country to me. It does have a few trees but so does Hawthorn and Camberwell. Upper Beaconsfield, 10km away, is country but they don't have a football club. I suppose the word 'country' is one of those that depends on interpretation. As more of those housing estates go in there will be less of those trees. The Yarra Valley is in a green wedge area, created by Rupert Hamer in the 1970s, you can't even put a housing estate in.
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The satellite image seems to show that Narre Warren, Cranbourne, Berwick and Beaconsfield are all joined suburbs with Officer and Pakenham likely to join up in the next 20 years.
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Thanks for pointing out the population count, I did post that info earlier in this thread so I was aware of it. Suburbs, due to their close proximity to each other, have a greater surrounding population which country towns do not have. Beaconsfield is technically just north of the Princes Hwy, Beaconsfield South has another 6700 odd residents - so now twice the size of Officer and Emerald (fact). Beaconsfield had 50-60 Under 18s last year, they could have fielded two teams. Most 2nd Div clubs can't even field a team. In recent years strong 1st division (now Premier) clubs Upwey, Olinda and Healesville couldn't field U18 teams. Maybe these are the clubs having concerns, we will find out in two months time.

Sarcasm, and now playing the 'silent majority persecuted by political correctness' card. Seriously? You're on a forum where some people are concerned for the welfare of their clubs, not writing a column for Andrew Bolt.
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Sorry are you talking about Guys Hill, Upper Beacy? Where is Beacy South? I worked in Beacy and not sure what you are on. Have you travelled through Beacy? A lot quicker than travelling through Officer I can tell you. Beacy is a nice village living in big brother Berwick shadow. Beacy rely on kids living in Berwick for numbers in juniors and to a lesser extent Narre Warren.
SEFNL clubs knew that clubs like Hampton Park, Doveton were on knifes edge hence them wanting divisional footy inMPNFL, with the possibility of still coming up against them at later point.
We know what happened and you are never going to get everyone to be agreeable on whatever is going to be done AFLVIC.
I state again, I heard from a person in official capacity at AFLSE, that there are changes coming and indicated that boundaries will be realigned (Oct18.) I believe that this will be a long burn next year when info slowly leaked into mainstream. How boundaries will change, I don’t know but AFLVIC will be running the agenda. The war.has only begun, some battles have been fought, but winning the battle doesn’t guarantee winning the war.
 
My guess is that AFL Vic is looking closely at what is happening to the east and south of Metro. My feeling is that they may step in within a couple of years and tread on a few parochial toes.
 
MortlockWatcher said:
You can tell that Officer and Doveton are relieved to be away from the bigger clubs that they have struggled to compete with over recent years.

Considering competitive balance and the opinions of the WGFNC clubs as the only criteria, the best option would be for Beacy, Berwick, Cranbourne and NW to join the MPNFL - but that won't happen anytime soon given the frosty attitude of the MPNFL clubs to such ideas in the past.

Even if AFLV forces such an outcome, yet more changes to the football landscape would take place within a year or two of it being implemented - the ongoing saga in South Gippsland would be replicated on our doorstep and last just as long, ensuring further robust discussions on this page like the ones we are having now for at least the next three years.

Most of the former SEFNL clubs have been affiliated to the SWGFL, MPNFL, SEFNL and AFL OE in the space of the last 25 years, so they have all been doing a bit of rubber-balling over the years. Had the SEFNL been a two-division competition from the outset (with the addition of the southern-most Southern league teams) then I am sure that the region would have been reasonably stable in recent times and there would likely have been no need for the present set-up.
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Glad to hear about Officer and Doveton are relieved to be away from the bigger teams.

From a ex Pakenham person, Pakenham were happy being in the West Gippsland/Latrobe League in 2000. Sadly the league wanted Pakenham(with Garfield, Drouin and Warragul) to be in the higher league in now the Gippsland Football League however anything really West of Garfield was a step to far for travel for Sale and Bairnsdale whom keep up a stink.

The League did not know what to do and booted Pakenham out of the West Gippsland League(Remember the Protest Meeting at the Old Pakenham Racecourse)because we did not want to go because not because big fish in small pond, We actually enjoyed the competition.

Pakenham got promise the world and got delivered squat from the MPNFL and should gone out on it own league in 2000 when MPNFL offered the Clubs(ROC, Beaconfield and Pakenham) a lifeline. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
 
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Sorry are you talking about Guys Hill, Upper Beacy? Where is Beacy South? I worked in Beacy and not sure what you are on. Have you travelled through Beacy? A lot quicker than travelling through Officer I can tell you. Beacy is a nice village living in big brother Berwick shadow. Beacy rely on kids living in Berwick for numbers in juniors and to a lesser extent Narre Warren.
SEFNL clubs knew that clubs like Hampton Park, Doveton were on knifes edge hence them wanting divisional footy inMPNFL, with the possibility of still coming up against them at later point.
We know what happened and you are never going to get everyone to be agreeable on whatever is going to be done AFLVIC.
I state again, I heard from a person in official capacity at AFLSE, that there are changes coming and indicated that boundaries will be realigned (Oct18.) I believe that this will be a long burn next year when info slowly leaked into mainstream. How boundaries will change, I don’t know but AFLVIC will be running the agenda. The war.has only begun, some battles have been fought, but winning the battle doesn’t guarantee winning the war.
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Well Beacy South ?Well South of the Freeway or Rail Line anyway Would probably going into the new Berwick Springs Senior team when it get off the ground as they are closer Berwick Springs than Beaconsfield ground at Holm Park(When I last played at Beaconsfield, Holm Park was a paddock. :p)
 
Going off the map I think it’s fairly ridiculous to call anything west of Officer “country”, including Beaconsfield. There’s no break whatsoever in residential development all the way to the CBD.

It still thins out a little after that but Officer and Pakenham have an enormous level of residential development that is suburban in nature (not to mention suburban transport links incl freeway and metro trains).

Times have obviously changed, the population of Melbourne has exploded in recent decades and this is where a lot of it has gone. These aren’t country areas.
 
I really think AFL Victoria has to have the Balls and re design the Leagues around Metro Melbourne. I could actually see a VFA type comp but bigger for Metro Melbourne including maybe the VAFA merging(Doubt that happen)

Well Football Federation Victoria and Lawn Bowls Victoriahave no issues with the Melbourne Competition structure and has promotion and relegation and lower comp into regional structure in the lower league, Why is AFL Victoria so Scared to do something
 
While teams like Hay, Ouyen United and Bairnsdale travel hundreds of kilometres on match day with a minimum of complaint, I reckon that the majority of clubs in Melbourne would belly ache about a 45 minute drive to and from a match in a metro-wide competition.

As long as my arse points to the ground there will never be one league for the whole of Melbourne, let alone a new version of the VFA - too many clubs across Melbourne relish in the 'big fish, small pond' scenario to test themselves against similar clubs.
 
MortlockWatcher said:
While teams like Hay, Ouyen United and Bairnsdale travel hundreds of kilometres on match day with a minimum of complaint, I reckon that the majority of clubs in Melbourne would belly ache about a 45 minute drive to and from a match in a metro-wide competition.

As long as my arse points to the ground there will never be one league for the whole of Melbourne, let alone a new version of the VFA - too many clubs across Melbourne relish in the 'big fish, small pond' scenario to test themselves against similar clubs.
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Supporters won’t travel, Unders won’t travel, we’ll be lucky to get 2’s who’ll travel that far for naught. We would have no rivalry games, we will keep AFLSE in court if they try to force sefnl clubs into our comp, just some of the reasons and plan put forward down Peninsula way by one big fish of a club.

No one prepared to give or take for the sake of “betterment” of local footy and will always be the case.
 
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