Should Coaches Salaries Be Included In The Cap ??

[LordLucifer]

Simple enough question .... ??

I believe that the salary cap should be increased by $1mil and all of the coaching staff (senior coach and assists etc) are included in the complete package.

 

[SpInNeR]

Yes.

 

[spoljar]

Yeah sure, lets equalise everything and rename it the "Union of AFL Socialist Clubs"

 

[MarkT]

This is a question pertaining to football department costs not playing cost and that is an issue of equalisation gone made and a further removal of incentive at club level. Why strive to be efficient and profitable at all if “equalise” everything?

 

[Flukey!]

Nope. Dont agree.

It limits the richer clubs to mediocrity.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Richmond would be screwed if they included wallace's pay

 

[Solstice Raver]

Hey, why stop there. Include the receptionist, the carpark attendant, the pool cleaner and the dunny scrapper and increase the salary cap by $40.

Fair dinkum.

There are so many other people that assisit on game day and during the week which contribute to the "coaching" of a side. Where does it end, or begin for that matter. Each person in the coaches box on game day had 5 others assisting them during the week. Are they included too?

All it would do would make clubs start changing position descriptions like "groundskeeper with a background in biomechanics".

What do you want next? A clubs catery groups to send all of the revenue and donations to the AFL so they can distribute it evenly between the other clubs that fail to gain as many passionate members.

Fair go.

 

[spoljar]

And while we on the equalisation program, why not get the AFL to come up with a single manual on how to run a club.

It will specify the exact amount of Muesli Bars a player is allowed to eat, how many sips of his drink bottle he is allowed and the exact amount of Cornflakes allowed in breakfast.

From there, clubs will be given their designated premiership years on a 16 year rotation and will be able to complete the AFL encyclopedia up until about the year 2300. Advanced orders will be taken!

 

[LordLucifer]

So if a club wants to go and offer $5mil per annum to the coach of another club that is considered kosher ??

If people think that the salaries shouldn't be included, then why can't the league enforce clubs & the coaches to fully abide by the contracts that they sign.

A club can sack a coach & they get paid the outstanding amount but if a coach quits the club it is all right ??

Why shouldn't the coach who quits be forced to see out his contract or better still, not be allowed to coach elsewhere whilst the contract is in force ??

 

[MarkT]

So if a club wants to go and offer $5mil per annum to the coach of another club that is considered kosher ??

Clubs are governed by commercial reality but in principle why can’t a club poach a coach?

If people think that the salaries shouldn't be included, then why can't the league enforce clubs & the coaches to fully abide by the contracts that they sign.

It’s just not relevant or even desirable. How d you make a club stick with a coach for another 2 years if the players won’t play for him? How could you have made North stick with Schimma and not replace him with Pagan? WSould you have made The Dogs stick with Rhode and miss out on Eade?

Anyway, it’s none of the AFL’s business what commercial arrangement clubs make or break.

A club can sack a coach & they get paid the outstanding amount but if a coach quits the club it is all right ??

Sure. That’s how contracts work. It isn’t an AFL issue it is a normal commercial dealing.

Why shouldn't the coach who quits be forced to see out his contract or better still, not be allowed to coach elsewhere whilst the contract is in force ??

A club can do try that but the former would be suicide for the club and the latter would cost them money they don’t need to spend. It's referred to as gardenning leave and it's done to prevent competitors gaining valuable serves or in spite in some cases but it costs.

 

[seanoff]

So if a club wants to go and offer $5mil per annum to the coach of another club that is considered kosher ??

Yes. But most clubs would have clauses in the contracts that set out what the resignation will cost esp to leave to go elsewhere. There may be a buyout clause, in which case the coach has to pay the equivalent or more of the $ remaining on the contract to get out.

If people think that the salaries shouldn't be included, then why can't the league enforce clubs & the coaches to fully abide by the contracts that they sign.

Commercial arrangement. As above any decent lawyer would draft a contract that protected the club's interest and the coaches lawyer would have inserted clauses that protected their client. ie payout if teminated by club

A club can sack a coach & they get paid the outstanding amount but if a coach quits the club it is all right ??

see above

Why shouldn't the coach who quits be forced to see out his contract or better still, not be allowed to coach elsewhere whilst the contract is in force ??

can happen, some/most contracts may well stop coaches quitting to go elsewhere before the contract term expires. Also as above, buy out clauses.

 

[seanoff]

Simple enough question .... ??

I believe that the salary cap should be increased by $1mil and all of the coaching staff (senior coach and assists etc) are included in the complete package.

So Collingwood have MM and an assistant.

All the others are fitness advisers, nutrition analyst player group 1, player group 2, training ground mgr, training ground assistant, player education mgr, indoor plant waterer. Where do you draw the line.

Now you've got a coach, 4/5 assistants, player development etc.

But do you count everyone else, nutritionists, doctors, physios, massuers, trainers, gatorade maker, toilet cleaner, house mums for the younger players, property steward, travel adviser, football mgr, recruitment mgr, 4 x recruitment staff, secretary, video analyst x 2, stats x 4, stats analyst, chef, etc etc

 

[greennick]

Simple enough question .... ??

I believe that the salary cap should be increased by $1mil and all of the coaching staff (senior coach and assists etc) are included in the complete package.

Dumb idea, where do you stop after that? I have a better idea, all clubs should have enough money and members to compete with the Adelaides and Collingwoods of the world. If they do not, they should go back to the VFL or the SANFL or wherever it is they came from.

 

[Solstice Raver]

Dumb idea, where do you stop after that? I have a better idea, all clubs should have enough money and members to compete with the Adelaides and Collingwoods of the world. If they do not, they should go back to the VFL or the SANFL or wherever it is they came from.

Or accept a truck load of cash, draft and salary cap concessions and relocate to the Gold Coast.

*Cough* *Kangas* *Cough*

 

[TigerCraig]

It depends on what your view of the reason for salary caps is.

Are they to:

1) keep all clubs on a reasonably level playing field?

2) stop clubs going broke by spending too much money?

If 1), then coaches (and support personnel) shouldn't be included in the cap. If 2) they probably should

 

[bibi01]

NO- we need something left in the game that is not controled by the afl.

if we have a salary cap on coaches we may as well pack up the afl and release a playstation game each year and that can be our afl.

 

[Philhawk]

Why should it be?

Will it really make a difference?

Tell me then, if this happens, how long before the AFL puts a 'cap' on the amount a club can spend on it's medical facilities, training facilities, development for it's players etc etc...

 

[EOP26]

Simple enough question .... ??

I believe that the salary cap should be increased by $1mil and all of the coaching staff (senior coach and assists etc) are included in the complete package.

Why stop there-
How about having one training centre for all football Club, That way they can all have the same training facilities.

AFL to award the CUP to all teams on a rotation base. Every club is guaranteed a CUP every 16 years...

 

[peppy la pew]

Why should it be?

Will it really make a difference?

Tell me then, if this happens, how long before the AFL puts a 'cap' on the amount a club can spend on it's medical facilities, training facilities, development for it's players etc etc...

Then go another step and put a cap on the amount of sponsorhip revenue, each club is allowed to raise .

Let's increase the lists and the salary cap

 

[flyinghi64]

Next we'll be suggesting the runners and waterboy's should also be included, then the caterers and strappers.
Leave the coaches out of it. If you do the extra work of the field to improve your club and get more members and increase the wealth of your club by putting in the hard yards, you should be able to use that extra money to get the best coaching staff available.

 

[ChrisFooty]

Of course not!

 

[dmac]

Absolutely - just been having this discussion with a couple of lads at work - if coaches make that much of a difference that they get sacked when a team is doing badly, their salary should be included in the cap.

 

[FuManchu]

So if a club wants to go and offer $5mil per annum to the coach of another club that is considered kosher ??

It would not be able to be justified in the context of relative spending and the increased value a coach would bring the club even if he brought a flag to the club.

If people think that the salaries shouldn't be included, then why can't the league enforce clubs & the coaches to fully abide by the contracts that they sign.

As long as the clubs have get out clauses in the contracts they sign personnel up to, then the AFL cant do stuff all about them legally.

A club can sack a coach & they get paid the outstanding amount but if a coach quits the club it is all right ??

That's business, ever signed a franchise agreement? Its all one sided, in the favour of the economically advantged party

Why shouldn't the coach who quits be forced to see out his contract or better still, not be allowed to coach elsewhere whilst the contract is in force ??

Would you want a coach there who didnt want to be there and had the potential to undermine the list and the club as a whole? As for coaching elsewhere, I guess it all boils down to the terms of his departure. But restraint of trade may be an issue here