Injury SJOGHCIU - Offseason Edition

[ziad]

This might be more compelling if after several years spent learning the craft from nicnat at training our young rucks weren't absolutely trash.

Its a huge generalisation, but often superstar calibre players whose game relies on freakish natural ability (and nic nat is about the best example of that I can think of) are no good as coaches- because the things that made them good players are effectively unteachable.

Its an interesting observation, plenty of struggling back pocket/flanks make exceptional coaches. But generalistations can be problematic.

 

[bUCKET__]

...superstar calibre players whose game relies on freakish natural ability (and nic nat is about the best example of that I can think of) are no good as coaches- because the things that made them good players are effectively unteachable.

Whilst Nic most definitely has these crazy athletic abilities, I don't think you can underplay how clever he is as a stoppage player knowing where his teammates will go. Neither how he has adapted his game and changed it over time.

If he doesn't make it as a coach somewhere, it won't be from a lack of game & craft knowledge. On the other hand, I dunno if he's the bloke who we'd go to if some hard truths or a spray needed to be delivered. He might be too nice to be a coach!

Pretty impossible to look at some project players like BBBW or Jamo and judge someone's impact though.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Looking forward to the injury lies for this week

Half a list today, another couple of players to get added tomorrow and Thursday and then one or two more after teams are named. That’s my guess.

 

[06Premiers]

SJOGHCIU (as of 21/03/2023):

Naitanui (achilles) - late-2023
Everyone else (something) - TBC

 

[Keys]

The injury list I suspect we’ll see

Yeo (calf) - Test
Naitanui (Achilles) - TBC
J Williams (Spleen) - TBC
Rotham (Arm) - 2-3 weeks
Culley (Calf) - Test

With no obvious injuries from the weekends game it’ll only be players who missed* that will be mentioned. Any new injuries we likely won’t find out about until the team announcement as is SOP

* Baker and Bazzo also didn’t play but nobody’s asking about them (rightfully so in Bazzo’s case) so they won’t be mentioned

 

[THE A5]

 

[ZergMinion]

Oh god...they threw in a new injury. I'm now genuinely terrified of how many unrevealed injuries there will be on Thursday/Friday.

 

[DanWCE]

That's an improvement. Disclosing an injury that's been discovered close to releasing the weekly report, despite not yet having scan results.

The wave of questions re: Culley must have given them a little kick up the backside.

 

[Mop]

Naitanui round 22 confirmed

 

[RookiePick]

I wonder how much lard Naita will have accumulated by the time he is back on deck?

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

Its an interesting observation, plenty of struggling back pocket/flanks make exceptional coaches. But generalistations can be problematic.

Yep, its downright uncanny how often one particular sort of player ends up a successful coach

Sheedy 180cm/hard nosed defendee

Malthouse 180cm/hard nosed defender

Worsfold 180cm/hard nosed defender

Chris Scott/Brad Scott 183cm hard nosed defender.

Clarkson 177cm/hard nosed half forward/utility

Lyon 183cm/hard nosed half forward

Being a hard man, not hugely athletically gifted but with a reputation for toughness smarts and professionalism seems to be the standard pathway to AFL coaching success.

Its interesting to consider why that is- i guess as a starting point toughness and a fearless approach to playing football = respect and attention from players and a willingness to be ruthless as a coach. Defenders tend to see the game better because they have to to play their role well. And if you've built a successful playing career based on hard work and getting the most out of yourself you're more likely to be able to impart similar good habits into players.

Or maybe everyone over 190cm just has less oxygen available to their brain.

 

[Obeanie1]

I wonder how much lard Naita will have accumulated by the time he is back on deck?

What a piss poor post.

 

[Kegs15]

Yep, its downright uncanny how often one particular sort of player ends up a successful coach

Sheedy 180cm/hard nosed defendee

Malthouse 180cm/hard nosed defender

Worsfold 180cm/hard nosed defender

Chris Scott/Brad Scott 183cm hard nosed defender.

Clarkson 177cm/hard nosed half forward/utility

Lyon 183cm/hard nosed half forward

Being a hard man, not hugely athletically gifted but with a reputation for toughness smarts and professionalism seems to be the standard pathway to AFL coaching success.

Its interesting to consider why that is- i guess as a starting point toughness and a fearless approach to playing football = respect and attention from players and a willingness to be ruthless as a coach. Defenders tend to see the game better because they have to to play their role well. And if you've built a successful playing career based on hard work and getting the most out of yourself you're more likely to be able to impart similar good habits into players.

Or maybe everyone over 190cm just has less oxygen available to their brain.

Absolutely agree - it'd be those players that due to not being overly gifted had to nail every single other professional aspect to make it - and could pass on those values to more gifted, athletic types who do have the potential to be stars if they get the rest right. I actually reckon it'd be a lot easier for a player who's used to their own Woosha level talent to coach a Buddy calibre player than it would for a Buddy to put themselves in the shoes of someone without that ability.

Also probably spending a career doing what's best for the team, learnt to sacrifice their game at the highest level (as they were still probably dominant as kids etc) - gives probably more of an appreciation of the forest over the trees. Would have to have a sharp understanding of the team's game vs a sharp understanding of their own game. Damien Hardwick another one worth adding to that list.

 

[RookiePick]

I actually reckon it'd be a lot easier for a player who's used to their own Woosha level talent to coach a Buddy calibre player than it would for a Buddy to put themselves in the shoes of someone without that ability

Vossy's first stints at Brissie and Port. Impressive that he seems to have been able to grow as a coach.

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

Absolutely agree - it'd be those players that due to not being overly gifted had to nail every single other professional aspect to make it - and could pass on those values to more gifted, athletic types who do have the potential to be stars if they get the rest right. I actually reckon it'd be a lot easier for a player who's used to their own Woosha level talent to coach a Buddy calibre player than it would for a Buddy to put themselves in the shoes of someone without that ability.

Also probably spending a career doing what's best for the team, learnt to sacrifice their game at the highest level (as they were still probably dominant as kids etc) - gives probably more of an appreciation of the forest over the trees. Would have to have a sharp understanding of the team's game vs a sharp understanding of their own game. Damien Hardwick another one worth adding to that list.

Weirdly enough Hardwick is also 180cm.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Piling up again. Burgiel (hamstring), Jamieson (ankle?), Rotham, JWilliams.

 

[Wild Kelly]

LATE ADDITION

RookiePick Exploded Calf (season)

 

[Farang83150]

LATE ADDITION

RookiePick Exploded Calf (season)

What?

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

The way simpson is now talking about nicnat ie 'a couple of weeks before we get the rebuild going' it is sounding like they are effectively conceding it will be several weeks before they can even start to try to ramp up his training which means the best case scenario for senior selection is about rd 7 or 8. Which is a far cry from the 'he's a bit sore and he'd play if it were a final but we just want to be extra careful' line they were spouting in rd 1.

I think they are pretty close to admitting his body is cooked and drawing a line through him for at least half a season.

 

[Spooky17]

I have torn my Achilles tendon and it is was a significant injury.

In fact, it’s been well over a year of rehab now, and I still don’t have full strength or flexibility in that leg yet and it is likely to be that way for a long time yet.

I’m not saying Nic necessarily has a rupture, but you have to be so careful
with these Achilles injuries otherwise it could be the end of his season or career.

I know everyone wants to see more Nic Nat this year and next. In order to
do that, they have to do this recovery program right. If it means a few more weeks on the sidelines, that’s fine by me for the bigger picture.

 

[kaII]

Simmo comments on this in the Round 2 review with Schoey. Says they should have called it a 5-6 week injury from the start.

 

[KERRPOW]

Dont ever change WCE.

Tipping nic wont be back until after the bye, and yeo to be on and off injured.

 

[jesterwester]

In my thoughts it’s all about public messaging with Nic- it’s all been doom and gloom around us in the media, last thing they’d want is to also admit the injury is more serious.

Nic has been such a barometer for so long admitting that our star ruckman is out for an extended period would just trigger another round of unwelcome attention.

Chances are we will be managing him for the remainder of his contract- best we try and get it right. It’s probably realistically 6 weeks from here reading through the lines.

 

[The wily weagle]

All we want from the club is some transparency here

Don't BS us with making return to play predictions that are utterly unrealistic.
Don't treat us like idiots leaving players off the injury list and hope we don't notice.
And work under the premise that TBC is essentially NFI (which for a professional medical team, should be a last resort, and not an immediate go to)