So who won trade week!?

[Joshen]

I don't believe there has been any "arguing" going on, but I am very intrigued by the brick wall you converse with. It sounds as though it must be incredibly logical, sensible, beautiful, brilliant, and much more intelligent than you.

This brick wall also appears to have an accurately high understanding of James Aish's immense talent. I'm very impressed by your brick wall. More much so than I am with you.

Please stop.

This is so cringeworthy is hurts.

 

[CasuallyDressed]

The reason that Carlton supporters might be happy that Chris Yarran isn't there anymore is because he's 28, he's petulant, and hasn't played good footy for quite a while. The reason that Brisbane supporters might be glad that James Aish is gone, would be due to bitterness, because he is only 19 years old, with elite talent and football brain.

Uhhh Yarran is only 24 or 25.

 

[captainrich]

The reason that Carlton supporters might be happy that Chris Yarran isn't there anymore is because he's 28, he's petulant, and hasn't played good footy for quite a while. The reason that Brisbane supporters might be glad that James Aish is gone, would be due to bitterness, because he is only 19 years old, with elite talent and football brain.

24 years old you clown, #collywobbles

 

[manboob]

Please stop.

This is so cringeworthy is hurts.

You know winning the 2011 came secondary to not hearing from KS for months afterwards.

 

[Iamcarlton]

The reason that Carlton supporters might be happy that Chris Yarran isn't there anymore is because he's 28, he's petulant, and hasn't played good footy for quite a while. The reason that Brisbane supporters might be glad that James Aish is gone, would be due to bitterness, because he is only 19 years old, with elite talent and football brain.

Yarrans 24 stats queen but right on the rest of statement regarding him he's a sook as I said .
Glad to see the back of him aish well I think it's best to leave that one alone now as I might infuriate you more haha

 

[Joshen]

You know winning the 2011 came secondary to not hearing from KS for months afterwards.

I'd honestly forgotten about him/her as a poster...

 

[manboob]

I'd honestly forgotten about him/her as a poster...

And how s/he's back!

 

[Iamcarlton]

Geelong won the trade period and Collingwood done ok to get some kids. #itsonlyagame #Stephownedyou #black&whiteAisho

Seems people are taking the short term view on whether a club has had a successful trade period I'm not sure treloar yes a gun and aish in against freeman and 1st round pick this year which is quite high due to ladder position and a 1st or 2nd rounder next year? is as big a win when you take a long term view of that ?

 

[manboob]

I just ran that through google translate and it didn't help.

 

[KissStephanie]

You know winning the 2011 came secondary to not hearing from KS for months afterwards.

Unfortunately I was suspended a few days PRIOR to the 2011 Grand Final for stating that I was blocking those who preferred to discuss me or attempt to insult me, instead of sticking to the topic. That upset a few, and made them even more hostile.

I then walked away on advice, although I don't inform such people anymore. I just block them quietly instead now without mentioning it. I hope you and captainrich, Joshen, and Dez have been well, and I also hope you have a great life! Cheers and bye!

 

[markm106]

Fair enough but I personally wouldn't have done it, it's very risky. Melbourne's list is coming along but 2016 will still be a development year and if you pick up a few injuries you could easily finish down the bottom, in which case next year's first rounder will be very valuable. Also apparently next years draft is stronger. Anyway, time will tell!

We are still developing but this year we made good progress and had quiet a few injuries throughout the year. If next year is disastrous ie like Gold Coast this year it could get ugly and bottom 2 could be on the cards.
On next years draft being stronger it's probably not so relevant when you have picks 3&7 this year. I have also heard next years draft predominantly mids so this gives us the opportunity to get a mid and a key forward now.

 

[manboob]

Unfortunately I was suspended a few days PRIOR to the 2011 Grand Final for stating that I was blocking those who preferred to discuss me or attempt to insult me, instead of sticking to the topic. That upset a few, and made them even more hostile.

I then walked away on advice, although I don't inform such people anymore. I just block them quietly instead now without mentioning it. I hope you and captainrich, Joshen, and Dez have been well, and I also hope you have a great life! Cheers and bye!

So stunning and brave.

 

[KissStephanie]

Yarrans 24 stats queen but right on the rest of statement regarding him he's a sook as I said .
Glad to see the back of him aish well I think it's best to leave that one alone now as I might infuriate you more haha

You can say whatever you want about James Aish's footy ability. That won't bother me at all.

 

[HairyO]

Seems people are taking the short term view on whether a club has had a successful trade period I'm not sure treloar yes a gun and aish in against freeman and 1st round pick this year which is quite high due to ladder position and a 1st or 2nd rounder next year? is as big a win when you take a long term view of that ?

Collingwood swapped 4 picks which would probably have seen 2 great players (not every recruit ends up being a gun, but with that many good picks you assume they would have got at least a couple right) to recruit a gun and a possibly great player - but one who looks to be quite the sook.

Geelong swapped a heap of picks which also probably would have seen 2 great players to recruit a gun and a couple of okay players.

Short term goal being a massive jump up the ladder, with the risk that it doesnt pay off and 2 years worth of potential guns have been missed.

I dont think I would have been happy if Hawthorn did it. But if it pays off then I will be happy to admit I was wrong.

 

[KissStephanie]

You picked up a melbourne spud, a unproven player in aish, and got treloar who is good, while also losing a top 10 pick and seedsman lol

Even though Jeremy Howe is rated as the 5th best Melbourne player on the AFL player rankings, I don't think too many Collingwood supporters have exceptionally high expectations yet. Many believe he has improvement within though, so we'll wait and see if he performs even better in a better team.

James Aish is 19 years old, and I don't think there has ever been a "proven" player at that age. His skills on both sides and footy brain are elite though. I'm sure 2016 will be an improvement on his very impressive first season in 2014, and this year though.

Nathan Freeman has yet to play a senior game, so that can't be a loss. There are also serious doubts on whether he can recapture his explosive pace. That makes sense because he rejected Collingwood's better performance based contract to St.Kilda's lesser guaranteed offer.

His manager Paul Connors also stated that Freeman doesn't believe that he'll be able to get a regular game, which isn't a good attitude to have around either. Paul Seedsman was not required and was being shopped around before he decided to find his own club.

Aish has shown little so far other then he cant win hes own ball and is not really a master at anything one thing

James Aish is very talented in a number of areas. He also isn't a pure outside player, and can win his own ball. His contested possession numbers aren't too bad, and it's an area of his game that he's keen to improve. Collingwood needs the outside elite kicking and decision making that he provides though.

If we get stevie j to replace someone like loyd, and pick up yarren, and hopefully aish then we are set

It seems here that you only recently rated James Aish MUCH higher before he became a Collingwood player. It's funny how you've flip-flopped so dramatically now.

Treloar would have required more then just a first rounder, i would give 2 years of first rounders for him

You must think Adam Treloar is better than just "good." You believe he is worth 2 x first round picks. You didn't mention receiving a second round pick in return either, so you were prepared for Richmond to part with more than Collingwood did to get him. You must rate him very, very, very highly then.

Stupid thread we dont need a new coach what we need is yarren, benell, stevie j and aish so go hard in the recruiting simple

In this post you felt that James Aish was good enough for Richmond to "go hard" at recruiting him. He hasn't played since then, so why has your opinion of him fallen? Is it because he never had any intention of going to Richmond, and chose Collingwood? Adam Treloar did the same. Harley Bennell and Steve Johnson didn't appear very interested either. At least you got Chris Yarran of those five!

 

[marty36]

Collingwood swapped 4 picks which would probably have seen 2 great players (not every recruit ends up being a gun, but with that many good picks you assume they would have got at least a couple right) to recruit a gun and a possibly great player - but one who looks to be quite the sook.

Geelong swapped a heap of picks which also probably would have seen 2 great players to recruit a gun and a couple of okay players.

Short term goal being a massive jump up the ladder, with the risk that it doesnt pay off and 2 years worth of potential guns have been missed.

I dont think I would have been happy if Hawthorn did it. But if it pays off then I will be happy to admit I was wrong.

Yes teams that traded away their picks for quality won in respect to getting players in but will lose out in the draft week. So effectivelt they won trade week but lost Draft week. The $1 million question is which is the better way to go? Only time will tell that. It may work for Collingwood and fail for Geelong or visa versa so we may never see an answer.

 

[KissStephanie]

So he is an undisciplined, unprofessional sook.

He was being paid bloody well by the Lions, it was his duty to put the effort in, not to pick & choose when to turn it on.

I don't think that describes James Aish. I doubt he was "picking and choosing" when to perform. He is human though, and most people don't perform at their best when not at their ideal workplace, no matter how hard they try, which is a good time to find a new employer. He had a broken jaw and finger tendon injury that set him back too.

 

[KissStephanie]

Once again, there is NO evidence that Aish wanted to be part of the Beams trade last year. This is speculation. Collingwood did ask Brisbane last year that Aish be included in the trade, along with Pick 5.

Justin Leppitsch spoke with Aish a fortnight ago and seems to have come away from the meeting with the impression that Aish would remain at Brisbane. Jonathan Brown also spoke at length with Aish and came away with the same impression. So did Leigh Matthews. And Peter Schwab. James Aish said, only on Thursday that he was close to the Brisbane players.

Jay Clark reported today that Aish changed his mind about leaving Brisbane a number of times throughout 2015 and Pickering himself said he found it a very difficult thing to do and that his final decision was not made until right before he lodged his request to be traded.

None of that points to Aish being "unhappy" at Brisbane. Nor does it suggest that Aish put his hand up to be traded last year to Collingwood.

I know there isn't any evidence of James Aish wanting to be part of the Dayne Beams trade, but I believe he was at least interested. From what I understand, he always seemed keen to join Collingwood, but torn about walking away from Brisbane so early in his career. His confusion and contract speculation isn't the ideal situation to produce best footy, especially at the age of 19.

Last October I did feel that he would be at Collingwood in 2016 though.


I also felt that same way about Adam Treloar last February.

 

[Roylion]

I know there isn't any evidence of James Aish wanting to be part of the Dayne Beams trade, but I believe he was at least interested.

On what basis can you claim he was "at least interested"?

From what I understand, he always seemed keen to join Collingwood,

You "understand"? How?

but torn about walking away from Brisbane so early in his career.

On a couple of occasions at the very least, you've claimed he was "unhappy" at Brisbane. Upon what basis do you make that claim?

His confusion and contract speculation isn't the ideal situation to produce best footy, especially at the age of 19.

Two injuries (jaw, finger) and playing out of his comfort zone as a midfielder on the half back flank to improve his overall game wouldn't lend itself to necessarily producing one's best football either.

 

[Iamcarlton]

Collingwood swapped 4 picks which would probably have seen 2 great players (not every recruit ends up being a gun, but with that many good picks you assume they would have got at least a couple right) to recruit a gun and a possibly great player - but one who looks to be quite the sook.

Geelong swapped a heap of picks which also probably would have seen 2 great players to recruit a gun and a couple of okay players.

Short term goal being a massive jump up the ladder, with the risk that it doesnt pay off and 2 years worth of potential guns have been missed.

I dont think I would have been happy if Hawthorn did it. But if it pays off then I will be happy to admit I was wrong.

Yeah I agree I think geelong will be back in top 4 and challenging the Hawks again collingwood will have a gun midfield but not sure they've actually done anything towards their need of a key fwd and back if moore doesn't develop and brown is injured as usual may be same old from the pies but I do expect them to push into the 8 and for bucks sake they'd want to and the Hawks the masters of trade week and free agency youth is now the go .
Cheers

 

[Apex36]

On what basis can you claim he was "at least interested"?

Lol. You and your relentless pursuit of evidence...

You're right there's no evidence Aish wanted to come to Collingwood last year. However...

When Collingwood expressed an interest in Aish last year, Pickering flew to Adelaide to have a face to face talk with James and his family. If James wasn't interested, a simple "Nah I'm happy at Brisbane" over the phone would have sufficed.

A poster on the Pies board at the time who claimed to have a friend inside the club (yeah yeah I know) gave detailed info about Aish in his draft year hoping to get drafted to Collingwood. He accepted being drafted to Brisbane in good faith, but was apparently upset about not being given the opportunity to be a part of the Beams trade. Tells us to expect the Pies to make a play for Aish in 2015 in the likely scenario he has not extended his contract.

Aish began 2015 in poor form, looking a shade of the player who debuted in 2014. No doubt that injuries compounded his woes later on, but it's unusual for a player to get second year blues to such a significant extent. Unhappy with the club maybe?

End of 2015 comes around and Aish requests a trade, not back home to Adelaide, but to Collingwood, a club that he could have easily asked to be traded to 12 months earlier, but according to Lions supporters had no intention of going to.


Yes, at the end of the day this is all speculation, I am aware that there is no solid evidence to back up these tidbits, but gee, it's all just a little bit coincidental isn't it? Looking forward to the real story coming out in the wash later in James' career.

 

[Dez!]

Even though Jeremy Howe is rated as the 5th best Melbourne player on the AFL player rankings, I don't think too many Collingwood supporters have exceptionally high expectations yet. Many believe he has improvement within though, so we'll wait and see if he performs even better in a better team.

Whoever rated him as our 5th best player got it wrong by a wide margin.

Jones, Vince, Hogan, Viney, Tyson, Garlett, Jetta, McDonald, Garland and Gawn all had a profoundly bigger impact than Howe. There's more but that's all I can be bothered naming right now, there's a reason Melbourne wouldn't pay him what he wanted and Melbourne supporters don't care that he left.

He's as dumb as dog shit when it comes to being a forward and lazy as shit as well despite these beliefs he has about him being a high endurance player.

 

[Baird]

Aish will be just like the other 15 who flourished instantly upon leaving Fitzroy North.

 

[Roylion]

Lol. You and your relentless pursuit of evidence...

Yeah. When people are making unsubstantiated negative comments about my club, I want some evidence to support their claims. If Aish was "unhappy" at Brisbane, as claimed (which has an implication that Brisbane's oft-mentioned "culture" is to blame) then yeah, I want some concrete details to back that up.

You're right there's no evidence Aish wanted to come to Collingwood last year. However...

When Collingwood expressed an interest in Aish last year, Pickering flew to Adelaide to have a face to face talk with James and his family. If James wasn't interested, a simple "Nah I'm happy at Brisbane" over the phone would have sufficed.

As I've already said, Justin Leppitsch spoke with Aish just over a fortnight ago, just before the trade period, and seems to have come away from the meeting with the impression that Aish would remain at Brisbane and was happy there. Jonathan Brown also spoke at length with Aish and came away with the same impression. So did Leigh Matthews. And Peter Schwab. James Aish said, just last on Thursday that he was close to the Brisbane players.

Jay Clark reported a couple of days ago that Aish changed his mind about leaving Brisbane a number of times throughout 2015 and Pickering himself said he found it a very difficult thing to do and that his final decision was not made until right before he lodged his request to be traded.

None of that points to Aish being "unhappy" at Brisbane, as claimed. Nor does it suggest that Aish put his hand up to be traded last year to Collingwood.

A poster on the Pies board at the time who claimed to have a friend inside the club (yeah yeah I know) gave detailed info about Aish in his draft year hoping to get drafted to Collingwood. He accepted being drafted to Brisbane in good faith, but was apparently upset about not being given the opportunity to be a part of the Beams trade. Tells us to expect the Pies to make a play for Aish in 2015 in the likely scenario he has not extended his contract.

And still, as far as we know, Aish did not request to be part of a Beams trade as has been claimed.

Aish began 2015 in poor form, looking a shade of the player who debuted in 2014. No doubt that injuries compounded his woes later on, but it's unusual for a player to get second year blues to such a significant extent. Unhappy with the club maybe?

See above.

Aish played 11 games from 22 possible. Of the 11 he missed, only three were missed because he was dropped from the senior team. (Rounds 2, 5 and 6). 2014 Average disposals: 17.6. 2015 Average disposals: 14.2. In 2015, Aish was largely played on the half-back flank as opposed to the midfield.

End of 2015 comes around and Aish requests a trade, not back home to Adelaide, but to Collingwood, a club that he could have easily asked to be traded to 12 months earlier, but according to Lions supporters had no intention of going to.

All I'm suggesting is that contrary to claims that Aish wanted to be traded to Collingwood last year, is that there is no evidence that this was the case.

Yes, at the end of the day this is all speculation,

My point exactly.

And given the continual negative comments about Brisbane's so-called "culture" and the attempts by some to connect Aish's desire to be traded to Collingwood as a impact of that "culture", I'm entitled to ask for evidence that Aish's departure had anything to do with Brisbane's actions.

 

[tiltraise]

I fail to see why so many people think the Cats won trade week.

12 players out and 4 in leaves them with 8 vacant list slots (over 18% of their list) to be filled with DFA's + very late picks from a pool that is generally considered below average in depth.

They are in the losers category for mine.