Coach So you want Voss gone? Who will replace him and why would they want to coach Carlton?

[gbatman]

How did we hire assistants with no input from an incoming senior coach.

Look at Ross Lyon. He brought a team he could trust to excute his plan

Same with Clarkson...


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I have no idea how it all fell into place and whether Voss had much input.

Point here is valid

Comment on Voss as a hypothetical is valid. However in reality Voss didnt even make it past the 2nd round in the the collingwood coaching process. So they saw something in him that said not right for a senior gig

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I wonder where he failed there?

 

[Doro]

If you believe Caro, Hardwick will be coaching Gold Coast next year

Wouldn't surprise if he wants out of the fishbowl. He may not want the stress of a head coaching job though.

 

[Doro]

Point here is valid

Comment on Voss as a hypothetical is valid. However in reality Voss didnt even make it past the 2nd round in the the collingwood coaching process. So they saw something in him that said not right for a senior gig

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We've really got to improve in our hiring process. Using a corporate recruiting expert and rolling out some past club legends in the interview process hasn't cut it. I think the first thing needs to be deciding on a brand of footy that will actually beat the better sides, take the coaching and recruiting changes from there.

 

[Carl]

You have a look at Port Adelaide at the moment, they all wanted Ken gone last season, were desperate to get rid of him. Not so much now. They managed to fix things so surely we can as well.

Hinkley has the runs on the board. Voss doesn't.

 

[Revenant1965]

Whilst it may not look it, the effort is still there. This suggests the players are still ‘playing’ for Voss.

If we start losing games by 10 goals +, you know he’s lost them. Then he goes…

I get what you're saying, but I hope players keep putting in effort. I'm not sure if I'm going to say it right, but I'd rather us keep losing as we are with players putting in (not that I want this), than players giving up and there is also a question about their ability (including ability to perform under difficult circumstance) as well as their character. Again, IMO....

 

[jpfalvo]

Clarkson also had access to high draft selections on top of priority picks.

We have had plenty of high draft picks and traded in, ex high draft picks.

With exception of those selected as moneyball sos trades, the failure to develop them drafted players outside of the Harry, Charlie, Weits draft is on the club.

We have had plenty of access and opportunities.

Difference is, the Clarkson built a list with a gameplan in mind. Hence elite kicks. And then filled it with role players, and targeted needs.

Where as we have effectively seen 3 different game plans employed. The club failed Bolton by not supplying him better support and particularly a senior assistant.

Teague should never have been hired. And here we are again


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[jpfalvo]

We have Cook now who’d help drive things, which we didn’t for the Voss appointment.

Is Cook going to stay beyond 2024?
If he is now the key decision maker, he needs to stick around to drive the result and performance ideally for duration of the new 5yr plan

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[jpfalvo]

I'm starting to think the mistake Sayers made after the appointment of Voss was saying "We expect to play finals next year".
Don't get me wrong, we all expect or aspire to play and win finals but the reality is we are showing we aren't there yet. The review stated that we should have played finals but I am now wondering how accurate and manufactured that was. Does anyone else now think a more cautious approach was needed with messaging something along the lines of :

• We have committed to Vossy for at least 3 years and will give him every opportunity to introduce and implement his football methodology to the playing group in a structured and planned approach.
• We will assess the playing group every year and make the necessary changes needed to reach our goal which is premierships under Vossy's leadership.
• We will provide the Players and Coaching Staff with the best resources possible within the caps to ensure we reach our goal which is premierships under Vossy's leadership.

Has the weight of expectation impeded our group rather than motivating it?

First paragraph. In expectation. This is a possibility. Same language was what got Teague sacked.

Underperformance.

Thus, if an unrealistic expectation was set by President and board by extension, arent they first to fall on their sword?

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[Gointocarlton]

First paragraph. In expectation. This is a possibility. Same language was what got Teague sacked.

Underperformance.

Thus, if an unrealistic expectation was set by President and board by extension, arent they first to fall on their sword?

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Its their job to sell hope, how they think is the best way to do it is subjective I guess. I wouldn't have thought that doing it "wrong" is sackable but maybe you're right and it is.

 

[jpfalvo]

Its their job to sell hope, how they think is the best way to do it is subjective I guess. I wouldn't have thought that doing it "wrong" is sackable but maybe you're right and it is.

They have done an excellent job of selling hope. 89k members says as much and the best prime time TV schedule since 2012.

Problem is the output doesnt match the message. Hence the disillusionment being expressed by many

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[Magical_EddieBetts]

Just heard the Vossy rumour from someone else ….

Surely can’t be true

 

[TheBlueCampaigner]

So far the options put up have been one bloke partly responsible for destroying a clubs culture and a burnt out one who quit on his team halfway through the season. Going well.

 

[AceAndy]

Just heard the Vossy rumour from someone else ….

Surely can’t be true

What was that ?

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

What was that ?

That his out on Monday

 

[AceAndy]

That his out on Monday

Is this coming from someone who gets good mail ?

 

[The Toad]

I've just added a poll to this thread. Have at it I say!!!!

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

Is this coming from someone who gets good mail ?

They know people in the club, but not saying it’s true. Who knows

 

[The Toad]

So far the options put up have been one bloke partly responsible for destroying a clubs culture and a burnt out one who quit on his team halfway through the season. Going well.

Thanks mate, appreciate the support.

 

[The Toad]

That his out on Monday

Out as in out of the closet or out of a job?

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

Out as in out of the closet or out of a job?

You can pick

 

[BlueGum]

My votes in the poll aren't to replace Voss, they are to join as assistants.

 

[TheBlueCampaigner]

Thanks mate, appreciate the support.

No having a crack at you mate. Just making a point that there isn't an abundance of options out there

 

[The Toad]

No having a crack at you mate. Just making a point that there isn't an abundance of options out there

Oh, OK. My bad.

 

[Crippa#9]

Extend Voss until 2026 and focus on improving the list with players who can handle pressure.

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Madness

 

[BARGE ARSE]

Wouldn't surprise if he wants out of the fishbowl. He may not want the stress of a head coaching job though.

I remember when Mark Harvey told the media that he was keen for a head job. In another sentence he then said he was keen for the Fremantle job.

I wonder what Hardwick really wants ?