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Soccer World Cup wants AFL to shut down for 8 weeks (Part II)
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Personally, I will be livid if we win the WC bid and the AFL season is interrupted. What I'm about to say isn't original, just one keyboard heroes opinion:
Soccer is a shit game. It's slow, it's convaluted, it encourages grown men to dive and cry and cheat. The only reason it is "The World Game" is due to European colonialism. Had most of the 2nd and 3rd world countries that play soccer now been exposed to AFL (or any other team orientated ball sport) the global sporting environment would be very different.
Anything that encourages this crap sport, at the expense of OUR game is crap in my books.
/rant over.
Soccer is a shit game. It's slow, it's convaluted, it encourages grown men to dive and cry and cheat. The only reason it is "The World Game" is due to European colonialism. Had most of the 2nd and 3rd world countries that play soccer now been exposed to AFL (or any other team orientated ball sport) the global sporting environment would be very different.
Anything that encourages this crap sport, at the expense of OUR game is crap in my books.
/rant over.
How do you figure that? Looks to me like the redevelopment of Adelaide Oval is going ahead regardless of whether or not we win the World Cup.
To think the AFL (With the prospect of a 3rd WA team around 2022 or so) couldn't get a new Stadium (65-70K) built in Perth and wouldn't then itself be the major tenant with Australia hosting the World Cup is also complete crap.
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30% of people caring about the wc in aus is laughable. The Socceroos are more widely supported than the Australian cricket team these days. The level of interest is huge. I remember the excitement during the last world cup when we played Italy in the second round. It was stronger than a grand final.
Actually having it here would be MASSIVE. It's a once in a lifetime occasion and the level of investment, job creation etc would be unprecedented. The nation wants it. For us to miss out cause of petty parochial squabblings would be pretty pathetic imo.
Actually having it here would be MASSIVE. It's a once in a lifetime occasion and the level of investment, job creation etc would be unprecedented. The nation wants it. For us to miss out cause of petty parochial squabblings would be pretty pathetic imo.
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You are obviously telling fibs as to your allegiences. No true Collingwood supporter could go a week, let alone a season without watching the Pies. Come clean, you follow Soccer, don't you.
Again proof?
You do realise there are a huge percentage of Aussies who don't follow sport at all, so stop making up figures trying to make out it's more popular than it is.
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Whether the AFL is called a major event or allowed to play during the World Cup is a moot point. If they are locked out of their regular stadiums, they are still financially trashed.
If a club like Essendon, with about 40,000 members, is forced to play games at a suburban venue, they'd be forced to cap their membership at 20,000. That's 20,000 regular members who get turned away - and at $400 a membership that's an $8million hit. Add the fact that the corporate facilities are vastly inferior at the smaller grounds, and corporate sponsorships are long-term contracts, the degree of financial damage goes well over $10 million. And not all members who are turned away would automatically return to their club membership the following year - so the financial damage is ongoing.
Not all our clubs will survive an $10m+ hit to their revenue - most will be insolvent. To call it "only one season so get over it" is wrong - if clubs go bankrupt, it's not only one season it's permanent devastation.
I like soccer. I follow Sydney FC and attend A-League games and was one of the original members of The Cove.
To have a World Cup in Australia would be great if it was possible to do so without devastating the AFL. But with each new FFA/FIFA demand it becomes increasingly clear that is not possible. Which is why I oppose this bid and why I don't want the World Cup in Australia.
If a club like Essendon, with about 40,000 members, is forced to play games at a suburban venue, they'd be forced to cap their membership at 20,000. That's 20,000 regular members who get turned away - and at $400 a membership that's an $8million hit. Add the fact that the corporate facilities are vastly inferior at the smaller grounds, and corporate sponsorships are long-term contracts, the degree of financial damage goes well over $10 million. And not all members who are turned away would automatically return to their club membership the following year - so the financial damage is ongoing.
Not all our clubs will survive an $10m+ hit to their revenue - most will be insolvent. To call it "only one season so get over it" is wrong - if clubs go bankrupt, it's not only one season it's permanent devastation.
I like soccer. I follow Sydney FC and attend A-League games and was one of the original members of The Cove.
To have a World Cup in Australia would be great if it was possible to do so without devastating the AFL. But with each new FFA/FIFA demand it becomes increasingly clear that is not possible. Which is why I oppose this bid and why I don't want the World Cup in Australia.
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That's the thing, these event's DON'T LEAVE A STRONG ENOUGH LEGACY TO JUSTIFY THE PROHIBITIVE COST INVOLVED, because they always overstate the benefits whilst grossly understate the costs.
The Sydney Olympics didn't produce any boost to tourism after the event, and it would be the same here, any jobs created would only be temporary, and after the event, we're left with a massive bill to pay.
The AFL (and any other competition who is affected) is well within their rights to get the best deal for themselves just like any other business, because sport is not an agrarian socialist collective, but a business, and Andrew Demetriou would be negligent in his duties if he didn't get the best deal possible for his sports stakeholders.
The AFL didn't stop for both World Wars, and it should continue in 2018 or 2022, with as little disruption as possible.
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Could this provide the impetus for the 25,000-30,000 seat stadium in the Dynon Road area that the AFL have intimated at in the past?
Well for starters, using the demographics on Wikipedia, about 24% of our population were born overseas, with a large chunk of that from "soccer nations" like the UK, Italy, Greece, Croatia etc. Plus the huge amount of people born here with ancestry to such countries. Not that they'd all give a shit, but there is a very large base of people in this country who have soccer in their blood. Even if they don't care about sport, chances are someone in their immediate family will and they will get caught up in the interest.
Same goes for the general population who maybe have no real soccer ancestry, a large amount of people will take an avid interest in the World Cup, even if it is only for a few weeks as they get swept up in the hype. And when it is over they will go back to not caring about soccer.
Can you remember what it was like the last World Cup? I remember in my office and group of friends, that every single person was interested and everybody was talking about it constantly. And that is when it was in another country with the games often played at inconvenient viewing hours. The interest level would only go up another level if it was played here.
Whatever the case, there is no point trying to pluck % numbers of people who care out of the sky, but I would suggest that more people will take an interest in the World Cup than they would in a few regular season AFL games.
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Canyou remember what it was like when we won the America's Cup? Everybody in my office was drinking champagne at 9 a.m. Oh yes , corporate bullshit. I bet you sing happy birthday for your boss as well.
One thing I don;t understand while reading through this thread.
I don't care about soccer, and if it interrupts the AFL season for just one week, then I don't want it here.
Why then should I care if it's the biggest event in the world, and is massivley massive? Does this mean I am somehow wrong?
Why am I being narrow minded and insular by simply havbing different tastes and opinions?
I don't care about soccer, and if it interrupts the AFL season for just one week, then I don't want it here.
Why then should I care if it's the biggest event in the world, and is massivley massive? Does this mean I am somehow wrong?
Why am I being narrow minded and insular by simply havbing different tastes and opinions?
Yes it was a pain in the arse because all you soccer nuts kept starting threads on our board.
No one at my work, or friends & family gave a shit about it, keep pretending that all Aussies love it, but you're assumption that the majority of Aussies care is wrong.
By the way, soccer will lose a lot of the bandwagon supporters once the socceroos get bundled out in the first round of the next world cup.
"World Cup won't axe AFL season
Source: ABC News
Football Federation Australia chief executive Ben Buckley says there has been no request for the AFL to cancel its season during a future World Cup and his organisation is more than happy to work with other codes on the issue of ground availability.
AFL boss Andrew Demetriou has warned a full AFL season may have to be cancelled if the World Cup was staged in Australia in either 2018 or 2022.
The major concerns for the AFL surround the availability of the MCG, which is set to be centre to FFA's bid and may also need a substantial refitting before the tournament.
But Buckley says the FFA has never asked the AFL to shut down its season and is confident the two governing bodies can reach a compromise.
"As recently as last week we had discussion with FIFA about the possibility of continuing to play those competitions during the World Cup period," he said.
"We would think there are precedents that would say other competitions can continue during the World Cup.
"What we have to be mindful of it that they won't be playing in World Cup venues and that means we have to find alternative venues [for other codes]."
Buckley said the maximum disruption to both the AFL and NRL would be six to eight weeks depending on the venues used and at what stage of the tournament.
FIFA regulations stipulate the minimum capacity for hosting a semi-final is 60,000 pointing to the possible use of the MCG and Sydney's Olympic stadium.
Buckley refuted reports the MCG would need development of its lower bowl, saying it came at a great expense and the stadium in its current configuration will be a major part of the bid.In the loop
In response to Demetriou's claims of the AFL being left in the dark over FFA plans, Buckley said multiple meetings had been held between to the two parties over the last 12 months.
"We met with the AFL as recently as October this year where we went through a very detailed presentation on what the issues are," he said.
"We have had some more informal discussions with the AFL and other sporting codes."
Buckley, a former chief operating officer at the AFL, says everyone is aware that the World Cup is bigger than any individual sport and will bring enormous benefits to Australia.
"It is the biggest sporting event in the world, it has significant economic benefits to Australia and enhances our standing as a nation around the world and enormous social benefits," he said.
"I think everybody understands that it is just a matter of working together and constructively and we will find some solutions." "
Source: ABC News
Football Federation Australia chief executive Ben Buckley says there has been no request for the AFL to cancel its season during a future World Cup and his organisation is more than happy to work with other codes on the issue of ground availability.
AFL boss Andrew Demetriou has warned a full AFL season may have to be cancelled if the World Cup was staged in Australia in either 2018 or 2022.
The major concerns for the AFL surround the availability of the MCG, which is set to be centre to FFA's bid and may also need a substantial refitting before the tournament.
But Buckley says the FFA has never asked the AFL to shut down its season and is confident the two governing bodies can reach a compromise.
"As recently as last week we had discussion with FIFA about the possibility of continuing to play those competitions during the World Cup period," he said.
"We would think there are precedents that would say other competitions can continue during the World Cup.
"What we have to be mindful of it that they won't be playing in World Cup venues and that means we have to find alternative venues [for other codes]."
Buckley said the maximum disruption to both the AFL and NRL would be six to eight weeks depending on the venues used and at what stage of the tournament.
FIFA regulations stipulate the minimum capacity for hosting a semi-final is 60,000 pointing to the possible use of the MCG and Sydney's Olympic stadium.
Buckley refuted reports the MCG would need development of its lower bowl, saying it came at a great expense and the stadium in its current configuration will be a major part of the bid.In the loop
In response to Demetriou's claims of the AFL being left in the dark over FFA plans, Buckley said multiple meetings had been held between to the two parties over the last 12 months.
"We met with the AFL as recently as October this year where we went through a very detailed presentation on what the issues are," he said.
"We have had some more informal discussions with the AFL and other sporting codes."
Buckley, a former chief operating officer at the AFL, says everyone is aware that the World Cup is bigger than any individual sport and will bring enormous benefits to Australia.
"It is the biggest sporting event in the world, it has significant economic benefits to Australia and enhances our standing as a nation around the world and enormous social benefits," he said.
"I think everybody understands that it is just a matter of working together and constructively and we will find some solutions." "
The issue isn't whether the FFA have asked the AFL to shut the season down, it's how much exclusive access they need to the MCG. If it is in fact 4 months, then it would almost be as good as shutting the AFL down.
ExTasDeeMan
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Wow, rags much?
Why are people so insecure about da futsal? Both great games, but footy is more accessible. If you don't like it, go get you pitchfork.
Why are people so insecure about da futsal? Both great games, but footy is more accessible. If you don't like it, go get you pitchfork.
Yes it was a pain in the arse because all you soccer nuts kept starting threads on our board.
No one at my work, or friends & family gave a shit about it, keep pretending that all Aussies love it, but you're assumption that the majority of Aussies care is wrong.
By the way, soccer will lose a lot of the bandwagon supporters once the socceroos get bundled out in the first round of the next world cup.
I'm not a soccer nut, although I do like the sport, but not nearly as much as Aussie Rules. I'd really like to have the World Cup here, but really wouldn't be fussed if it wasn't, and this 16-week lockout of the MCG seems a little over the top. To be honest, I'd rather go to Brazil in a few years when they host it.
I'm merely stating what it was like last World Cup (for me) in reply to comments that say nobody will give a shit. In my particular circle of people, everybody took an interest, and from what I saw outside of that circle that interest was very widespread. You obviously surround yourself with different people. Regardless of it being a majority of the population or not, there will certainly be a large amount of people interested if/when the event is actually on. It is very naive to think otherwise.
And you are right, there are a lot of bandwagoners that will come on board whenever we make a World Cup, and they will drop off when we don't. These people still qualify as people who give a shit, even if it is only for a few weeks.
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8 weeks isnt 4 months and isnt even a whole season. Its two months, and is quite reasonable, considering it is soccer/footballs show piece event. Someone should tell Vlad that before he shots his mouth about having to play AFL in the non ratings period.
Yes, yes... you are right. We should just all roll over and accept whatever is given to us as we have no rights about what we can and can't do in our leisure time. The federal govt will ban the use of the mcg for AFL if necessary.
Let's let Frank Lowy and Ben Buckley and the state labor govt make their decisions for us. I agree. Let's fall in line everyone. The egos of politicans need to be massaged - that is far more important than Aussie Rules footy.
So every soccer league in the world should change their fixture to suit Australia? Australia is a country with 20 million people which isn't even 1% of the world population. Think about it.
Nah, I just don't live for the day that a foreign sporting body imposes its foreign sport on my life. Simply do not need it - least of all at the expense of something I enjoy. Suggest you emigrate to a soccer-loving country if the preferences of the majority here offend you.
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Having the world cup is a once in a lifetime event that will be fantastic for australia, and will do wonders for the economy, create jobs - people need to start looking at the big picture.
Any decent sporting admin should be able to rearange there sporting calendar so the world cup has limited impact on them. It may be as simple as cancelling the preseason comp and starting the season early. But there a number options that both the AFL and NRL could take to limit the impact the world cup will have on them.
Any decent sporting admin should be able to rearange there sporting calendar so the world cup has limited impact on them. It may be as simple as cancelling the preseason comp and starting the season early. But there a number options that both the AFL and NRL could take to limit the impact the world cup will have on them.
Smyth94
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If I were Vlad, I'd hire an actuarial firm to perform some DCF calcs to show how badly the WC investment would affect not only the AFL and NRL but our economy as a whole after the event...put the FFA and the Federal Governments on the back foot.
Typical of what we Vic Swans have to put up with, some up there in NSW couldn't give a stuff about AFL, its bandwagon city.
I would hate soccer to take over our footy season, OUR GAME .
Think of this , thousands of soccer fans would love it here, but hundreds of thousands of AFL fans want our game here , uninterupted!
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