If the AFL was completely starting from scratch I think it would be closer to this
Victoria - 6 teams
Western Australia - 3 teams
South Australia - 2 teams
New South Wales - 2 teams
Queensland - 2 teams
Tasmania - 1 team
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St Kilda President Andrew Bassat tees off on the AFL draft system, specifically father/son and the Northern Academies
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If the AFL was completely starting from scratch I think it would be closer to this
Victoria - 6 teams
Western Australia - 3 teams
South Australia - 2 teams
New South Wales - 2 teams
Queensland - 2 teams
Tasmania - 1 team
In turn, perhaps they can explain to you why teams have "owners" and are referred to as "organizations". They, too, could expand on why there are four different answers to the question, "where is the spiritual home of the Athletics?" Or, perhaps, why the professional sports leagues openly accept tanking? Or how some allocate draft picks on the basis of a lottery, wherein the number one team could still get the number one pick?
In my lifetime, I've learned that "because Americans do it" or "because soccer" is almost always the answer to a really stupid suggestion.
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You can tell who has only watched the small clip and who has watched the whole speech.
Finals have been held at Docklands 6 times. Finals only happen there if they can't hold it at the G.
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Not really competitively equal when the Hawks just took one of their only good players for less than what St Kilda allegedly were offering.
But I suppose if the Saints want to treat their players like this...
Can fix it this way, need to take 3 players in the draft minimum, can’t pick bank (looking at at you Gold Coast!), need to use all of your picks you have which means a club can nominate how many picks its wants in the national draft so if it has 5 list spots, you can take a min of 3 or a max of 5. So if they take 3 , 2 go to the preseason draft.
Get rid of rookie contracts and draft, they are stupid anyway. It’s not like the old days, we have 200 game players on ‘rookies’ deals
Clubs don’t get a discount for academy or F/S .
In order to match in the first two rounds you need to be within 10 picks of the selection. Easy
Get rid of rookie contracts and draft, they are stupid anyway. It’s not like the old days, we have 200 game players on ‘rookies’ deals
Clubs don’t get a discount for academy or F/S .
In order to match in the first two rounds you need to be within 10 picks of the selection. Easy
This is so pathetic. No wonder their club is an irrelevant mess.
Contrast that with Barrass doing a 5+ minute speech at the WCE B&F, despite already requesting a trade to Hawthorn.
No wonder he's taken the Hawthorn offer of less money.
Victorians underestimate how much easier it is for them to draft than it is for non-Victorians.
Go on any non-Victorian draft discussion thread and it will be filled with "we can't draft this guy as he is a huge flight risk" and we see on draft day, especially in the first round non-Victorian clubs avoid Vic Metro players whenever possible.
Yep and it's not the fault of the cats lions pies and dogs that the saints can't produce any worthy f/s. Spuds will produce spuds I guess
Exactly right! Which is why father son entrenches inequality. If you’ve got Peter Daicos teaching you to kick in your backyard then you’ll probably end up a fair bit better than if you have Robert Elphinstone.
The first right of refusal for the son should be the advantage. Not that you you can pay for them with a bundle of junk picks.
How embarrassing. Culture is set at the top. What a sad, petty organization.
Yes you have.
That is what it is though... Luck.
Every club (apart from GWS and GC) have access to F/S. Some will be good, some wont.
At Collingwood we have seen both sides of good and bad.
The F/S rules are actually the one thing in the comp that is fair.
All clubs have the same access to their players.
They've clearly looked at their pipeline and see no genuine Father Son prospects in the offing.
There'd be no complaining if there was one about to land.
And that's fine - clubs will forever be looking after their own interests
There'd be no complaining if there was one about to land.
And that's fine - clubs will forever be looking after their own interests
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Exactly. So complaining about all these other things just falls so flat when they're a mess everywhere. Fix that and then people might take them seriously.
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Also a club that has had 1 father son pick in the last 20 years can’t expect to change everything because it’s absolutely their issue saints players kids haven’t developed.
For example the Bulldogs have been investing heavily in father son players in a junior academy for the last 25-30 years, we have taken 7 in that time. There became premiership players.
For example the Bulldogs have been investing heavily in father son players in a junior academy for the last 25-30 years, we have taken 7 in that time. There became premiership players.
That’s a strawman argument. Just because they’re terribly run doesn’t mean the points he’s making aren’t true.
Not true.
Of those 6 finals, on 4, so the majority, of the occasions the game was played there as the only game in Melbourne that day, with no game played at the MCG.
So what you say may well be policy now but my point is they should lobby to going back to how it was before, where the AFL 'chose' it as the preferred venue.
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Not what I said. I've said further up that the points are correct, but that no one takes them seriously because they're a mess.
We can agree on that!
Luck is a huge element of father-sons but there is probably a little more to it than just that. Clubs like Gold Coast and GWS are still quite a few years away from being able to utilise the system, but on top of that there are no doubt other elements which affect the chance that a player at any particular club will reach the 100 games threshold.
I suspect a decent to very good player at a big Melbourne club is more likely to play 100 games at that original club, than if they were to have been drafted by a club which travels more often (particularly the Perth clubs), or if they played for a smaller 'feeder' club as they're often known.
Since their first season in 1897, St Kilda have had 137 players pass the 100 game milestone, compared to the other 'big 4' clubs which started the same year - 178 for Essendon, 183 for Collingwood and 185 for Carlton. I don't know the exact reasons why or how it stacks up in more recent years, but overall that means 30% less F-S eligible players to draft (had the rule stretched back to the start of the VFL).
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There is very little tradition left in sport, and to some degree we bemoan it at every turn.
Cricket is suffering because so much of it is meaningless: players are traded like used cars to franchises, not states, and represent whoever will pay them the most money for the least work.
In the rugby codes a contract means next to nothing and players are forever leaving to go to another side, the English super league, or to play Japanese or French rugby union from the NRL. A club like the Penrith Panthers who continually funnel players into their side from development squads and local junior teams is a throwback to 40 years ago and as such they have a closer tie to their local community than most professional teams within Australia.
We whinge about how players move teams more in this era and how contracts are worth less, loyalty is less of a commodity.
How suburban grounds are no longer a feature of the game. Watching other sports from afar, we see that recently a player in the MLB started a game playing for one team and by the end of a rain delay was playing for another. That’s how little commitment is actually worth in many sports nowadays.
Meanwhile one aspect that AFL has tried to keep alive in what is one of the most tribally followed sports in the world is the idea that a son, more than likely raised in the shadow of the club his father played for, can grow up and play for that club and follow in his fathers footsteps.
We whinge about that but not the fact that teams are rewarded year upon year for being garbage by getting first access to the best players - usually because of their own mismanagement and shortcomings?
Cricket is suffering because so much of it is meaningless: players are traded like used cars to franchises, not states, and represent whoever will pay them the most money for the least work.
In the rugby codes a contract means next to nothing and players are forever leaving to go to another side, the English super league, or to play Japanese or French rugby union from the NRL. A club like the Penrith Panthers who continually funnel players into their side from development squads and local junior teams is a throwback to 40 years ago and as such they have a closer tie to their local community than most professional teams within Australia.
We whinge about how players move teams more in this era and how contracts are worth less, loyalty is less of a commodity.
How suburban grounds are no longer a feature of the game. Watching other sports from afar, we see that recently a player in the MLB started a game playing for one team and by the end of a rain delay was playing for another. That’s how little commitment is actually worth in many sports nowadays.
Meanwhile one aspect that AFL has tried to keep alive in what is one of the most tribally followed sports in the world is the idea that a son, more than likely raised in the shadow of the club his father played for, can grow up and play for that club and follow in his fathers footsteps.
We whinge about that but not the fact that teams are rewarded year upon year for being garbage by getting first access to the best players - usually because of their own mismanagement and shortcomings?
I would suggest that for a club president, teeing off about academies and FS acquisitions from other clubs being a reason for your own club's lack of success, at a B&F dinner no less, probably isn't going to instill the players and supporters with a lot of confidence.
He should be using that opportunity to lay out how the club has a plan to win premierships in the near future and what that looks like.
Instead, he chose to reinforce a victim mentality and not instill hope.
