St Kilda's Heart of Darkness?

[Gavin Excell]

Is it assumed that the inference for "hard partying" is recreational drug use?

 

[CharacterFirst]

Shame your list is cooked!!

Pffft.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Is it assumed that the inference for "hard partying" is recreational drug use?

I wouldn't go that far, no.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Is there a possibility that culture differs only marginally from club to club and that. St Kilda are just horrendous at PR and media management?

 

[Tragic sainter]

Not necessarily trashy. OPen verdict on that. Just because the exact details of Fishers indiscretions are not made public at this stage doesnt mean they dont exist.

So does that mean that they do? This is gutter journalism at its finest by caro, absolutely zero facts or quotes, probably just writing on a rumour someone sent her over twitter or something.

 

[clobba]

**** it cant be bothered with this inane crap ignore my getting sucked into the offseason dribble that passes as footy news...carry on speculating about sfa

 

[stfan]

The Saints have always had a "party-boy" attitude going all the way back to the days of Plugger & Trevor Barker etc cut loose on Saturday nights at their social club at the old Moorabbin ground.


"birds of a feather flock together"

If you actually went to ANY of the Social Clubs back then it was the same for all clubs.

When the Saints played the Blues , their players were front and center at the bars post games.....so your "birds" included the likes of Maclure who was swilling beer with the best of them post-match in the social club bar.

And it was not just the players either. Back then the umpires came in and shared a beer too!

 

[PieBeast]

Is there a possibility that culture differs only marginally from club to club and that. St Kilda are just horrendous at PR and media management?

Doubt it, despite our standing in the game and plentiful resources as soon as something goes down at my Club for example journos are onto it as flies on you know what.

Think it comes down to the various degrees of imposed and accepted discipline levels at different clubs.

 

[LeverPuller]

St Kildas record of major incidents is pretty bad lately. But then, every club has them it seems.

- Adelaide - Tex Walker 2011; Tippett
- Brisbane - Fev
- Carlton - Fev, Scotland
- Collingwood - Swan, Shaw, Didak
- Essendon - There was the coach punt
- Freo - can't think of one but it may not get news in Melb
- Geelong - Stokes
- Hawthorn - Buddy stuff
- Melbourne - Sylvia
- North - Edwards
- Port - Tragically the JMac incident
- Richmond - Connors & Martin
- Sydney - as mentioned, they seem to be fine
- St Kilda - as mentioned
- West Coast - obvious
- Dogs - no issues I can think of

That's a fair list of incidents among the nonexpansion clubs, and I'm sure there's more. I think the difference is how heavily the Saints have theirs covered. I know some of Sylvia's earlier ones were as bad as Scotland's, yet they got 3 lines in The Age.

 

[Quinz]

St Kildas record of major incidents is pretty bad lately. But then, every club has them it seems.

- Adelaide - Tex Walker 2011; Tippett
- Brisbane - Fev
- Carlton - Fev, Scotland
- Collingwood - Swan, Shaw, Didak
- Essendon - There was the coach punt
- Freo - can't think of one but it may not get news in Melb
- Geelong - Stokes
- Hawthorn - Buddy stuff
- Melbourne - Sylvia
- North - Edwards
- Port - Tragically the JMac incident
- Richmond - Connors & Martin
- Sydney - as mentioned, they seem to be fine
- St Kilda - as mentioned
- West Coast - obvious
- Dogs - no issues I can think of

That's a fair list of incidents among the nonexpansion clubs, and I'm sure there's more. I think the difference is how heavily the Saints have theirs covered. I know some of Sylvia's earlier ones were as bad as Scotland's, yet they got 3 lines in The Age.

Michael Hurley, Michael Johnson, Tom Liberatore... it's unlikely you'll ever have a list of 40+ young blokes without a few incidents among them.

 

[Bollox]

This thread has the potential for 10 pages of circle jerk hypocrisy.

The only fans i can imagine being able to wield a big rubber dildo are GC and GWS...and most of them once barracked for a club that had their moments too.

A genuine "must be bored and desperate" off season thread to get your teeth into.

 

[Dalphonso]

St Kildas record of major incidents is pretty bad lately. But then, every club has them it seems.

- Adelaide - Tex Walker 2011; Tippett
- Brisbane - Fev
- Carlton - Fev, Scotland
- Collingwood - Swan, Shaw, Didak
- Essendon - There was the coach punt
- Freo - can't think of one but it may not get news in Melb
- Geelong - Stokes
- Hawthorn - Buddy stuff
- Melbourne - Sylvia
- North - Edwards
- Port - Tragically the JMac incident
- Richmond - Connors & Martin
- Sydney - as mentioned, they seem to be fine
- St Kilda - as mentioned
- West Coast - obvious
- Dogs - no issues I can think of

That's a fair list of incidents among the nonexpansion clubs, and I'm sure there's more. I think the difference is how heavily the Saints have theirs covered. I know some of Sylvia's earlier ones were as bad as Scotland's, yet they got 3 lines in The Age.

How can you put J Mac on your list?
The only person he hurt was himself .

 

[raskolnikov]

No, it's not because they have tatts.

Richmond have genuine concerns about Martin and the company he keeps. Swan, seems to have compatibility issues with his coach.

Swan has compatibility issues with his coach?

Well then, shoot him now.

 

[HARKER]

without wanting to be salacious, does anybody know what the rumours of Fisher's behaviour are? Is it a beat-up or an issue of concern?

Whatever the situation with Fisher amounts to, it's possible that it has been around for some time given The Saints were willing to sell the house in order to attain Brown from the Eagles.

Pretty sure that Watters won't let crap permeate through his club. He's too smart for that.

 

[HARKER]

I hate discussions like this.

We are talking about footballers - not brain surgeons. I admired Millane and Didak with their skill playing football. Do I think they are great people or show good judgement? Not particularly.

I have met Milne - nice guy - spent time with my handicapped niece, signed her jumper, photo etc. Do I like that he "swapped partners" with Montagna which led to rape allegations - not particularly. Do I like that Didak hooned around in a car with a murderer - not particularly. I am not impressed with what I have privately heard about Swan and his activities either.

There are a lot of gifted players who only know how to kick a piece of leather around but are not smart. Some concentrate so much on football that their education and social skills suffer. Others cannot cope with the pressure of fame and money.

There are of course your Hirds, Buckleys, Hayes etc who are great players and blokes.

Singling out one club (...not yours of course!) belies the fact that every club has dickheads...if they can play the club will try to sort their problems out or cover them up. Culture?

.............and some of them don't get drafted. See Dayle Garlett most recently.

Clubs don't want distractions nor "bad apples" any more.
If they think they can't fix the issue they'll avoid the temptation to adopt these players.

If you don't think "culture" alone can get you far, just look up The Sydney Swans.

 

[LeverPuller]

How can you put J Mac on your list?
The only person he hurt was himself .

I don't like it either, but if you detach the emotion of it as well as the end result it does boil down to 'player does very stupid thing on the drink'. If he'd broken a leg instead he probably would have been punished by the club.

Doesn't make it any less of a tragedy though.

 

[LordLucifer]

If you actually went to ANY of the Social Clubs back then it was the same for all clubs.

When the Saints played the Blues , their players were front and center at the bars post games.....so your "birds" included the likes of Maclure who was swilling beer with the best of them post-match in the social club bar.

And it was not just the players either. Back then the umpires came in and shared a beer too!

I'm not denying that it was a different footy landscape back then, but there has long been a belief that the Saints guys went further than everyone else.

The players had too much say in what went on and the bigger name players could do what they liked. This meant that the club and the vast majority of the players were at cross-purposes when it came to structure & discipline.

It is my view that this prevailing attitude & approach has still not been fully eradicated across the years and appears quite deeply ingrained within the Saints overall culture.

There are too many incidents down at the Saints these days (and with some sort of regularity) for me not to think otherwise.

 

[EasternTiger]

Could be why Goddard decided to leave and go to a relatively quiet club like Essendon

 

[Ice-Wolf]

For all we know the club could be concerned that Fisher is devoting too much time to his golf game.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

true. Maybe their concerned his training is suffering due to the amount of time he's spending in various soup kitchens around Melbourne, feeding the homeless

 

[jacko57]

For all we know the club could be concerned that Fisher is devoting too much time to his golf game.

You can NEVER devote too much time to your golf game.

 

[Lockyer24]

What a troll of a thread. Look at every team in the league and at some time they have had a player do the wrong thing.

And as for the current beat up story. If there was any substance, any allegation, any scandal, why wasn't it detailed, outlined, or even hinted at. This is a pathetic thread, following an equally tacky pathetic article.

Caroline like many others know what Fisher has been up to, it's just something that you cannot report until after the fact.

 

[Trip McNealy]

Caroline like many others know what Fisher has been up to, it's just something that you cannot report until after the fact.

Exactly... I'm surprised more people don't know what she is referring to.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

T


..then what are you trying to achieve by this thread? Trying to rub a clubs nose in their own players problems for your own entertainment whilst pretending to act concerned?!

My wild guess is: Discussion, but I could be way off

 

[Dalphonso]

Exactly... I'm surprised more people don't know what she is referring to.

Any cryptic clues?Does he dance and sweat a lot?