Movie Star Wars - Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker - Spoilers and Rumors

[Moti]

When did fan service become a bad thing? Only the Solo dice seems to be a waste of time. People love Mando and it is pretty much a series based on fan service.

 

[SM]

When did fan service become a bad thing? Only the Solo dice seems to be a waste of time. people love Mando at is pretty much a series based on fan service.

The fan service per se was fine, it was more the on the nose pandering to basically all of the criticisms of The Last Jedi that made me roll my eyes. The return of Palpatine really didn't fit with the story in a believable way to make me think it was anything other than a panicked last minute decision. Rey being a Palpatine also didn't fit with anything from the previous two movies.

 

[iBeng]

They didn't know he was the spy.

Did he at that stage? Did that trigger his decision to defect?

 

[SM]

Did he at that stage? Did that trigger his decision to defect?

Did what trigger his decision to defect?

 

[Moti]

The fan service per se was fine, it was more the on the nose pandering to basically all of the criticisms of The Last Jedi that made me roll my eyes. The return of Palpatine really didn't fit with the story in a believable way to make me think it was anything other than a panicked last minute decision. Rey being a Palpatine also didn't fit with anything from the previous two movies.

As someone who liked TLJ, I agree. Luke's comment coming out of the fire was a direct dig and I think there was one other big one.

The return of Palpatine didn't phase me, it is plausible if not inspired based on nuggets from the other films but as I have said before, the lack of a predetermined story for the trilogy makes it more clumsy.

Rey being a Palpatine again doesn't bother me and nothing in the previous films contradicts it. In fact I liked the fact that Leia knowingly embraced her even knowing she was a Palpatine. It shines through her character. One of the suggestions out of TLJ was the Kylo was lying about her parents but the fact that she reinforced that meant it would have been stupid. Seeing what they wanted them to see though, on the other hand, is again a plausible way to solve that issue.

 

[Moti]

Did he at that stage? Did that trigger his decision to defect?

I think trying to kill him on board Snoke's ship kinda points to his ambitions and the disaster on Crait eroding his confidence.

 

[SM]

As someone who liked TLJ, I agree. Luke's comment coming out of the fire was a direct dig and I think there was one other big one.

The return of Palpatine didn't phase me, it is plausible if not inspired based on nuggets from the other films but as I have said before, the lack of a predetermined story for the trilogy makes it more clumsy.

Rey being a Palpatine again doesn't bother me and nothing in the previous films contradicts it. In fact I liked the fact that Leia knowingly embraced her even knowing she was a Palpatine. It shines through her character. One of the suggestions out of TLJ was the Kylo was lying about her parents but the fact that she reinforced that meant it would have been stupid. Seeing what they wanted them to see though, on the other hand, is again a plausible way to solve that issue.

Genuinely curious, what nuggets? It's basically been admitted to being a last minute decision so genuinely unsure there were any hints.

Going to have to hard disagree on this one. Obi-Wan's voice calling to Rey in her vision in TFA, the Skywalker lightsaber coming to her instead of to Kylo, then in TLJ her parents being unimportant in her vision, and then Ren saying "Your parents were nobodies, they sold you for drinking money. They're dead in a pauper's grave" directly contradicts him then saying "They pretended to be nobodies but they were really the son of Palpatine. You're a Palpatine." People can handwave all they want and quote "from a certain point of view" but the dialogue does not sync up.

The suggestion Kylo lied about her parents is, no offence, a dumb one. The context of that scene was him getting her to admit the truth. She agrees with him that they were nobodies, because that is the actual truth as it was in TLJ, that where she came from was unimportant to her story, that for her, she was made from nothing, but forged into the most important person in the Galaxy at that time. TROS undoes this in the most extreme of ways. For Kylo to be lying to her in that moment is actually unimportant, what TROS is suggesting is that she was needlessly lying to herself.

 

[SM]

I guess I'm just a bit sad that one of the main things people like about TROS is that it shits on TLJ. That's not a reason to like a film, especially not one that is meant to be the concluding part of a trilgoy that contains said shitted on film.

 

[Moti]

Genuinely curious, what nuggets? It's basically been admitted to being a last minute decision so genuinely unsure there were any hints.

Going to have to hard disagree on this one. Obi-Wan's voice calling to Rey in her vision in TFA, the Skywalker lightsaber coming to her instead of to Kylo, then in TLJ her parents being unimportant in her vision, and then Ren saying "Your parents were nobodies, they sold you for drinking money. They're dead in a pauper's grave" directly contradicts him then saying "They pretended to be nobodies but they were really the son of Palpatine. You're a Palpatine." People can handwave all they want and quote "from a certain point of view" but the dialogue does not sync up.

The suggestion Kylo lied about her parents is, no offence, a dumb one. The context of that scene was him getting her to admit the truth. She agrees with him that they were nobodies, because that is the actual truth as it was in TLJ, that where she came from was unimportant to her story, that for her, she was made from nothing, but forged into the most important person in the Galaxy at that time. TROS undoes this in the most extreme of ways. For Kylo to be lying to her in that moment is actually unimportant, what TROS is suggesting is that she was needlessly lying to herself.

The nuggets would be the ROTS speech and his overall planning in the PT. Plus some stuff in the books but shouldn't include that here.

I think he meant every word in TLJ, just as she did. It is only when they learned the principle truth that it all syncs up. Don't forget he saw through their connection what she saw, as a child, and felt. That may have been the facade her parents were wanting to show, so Rey didn't chase them. Again, plausible if not inspired.

 

[atlas1]

I guess I'm just a bit sad that one of the main things people like about TROS is that it shits on TLJ. That's not a reason to like a film, especially not one that is meant to be the concluding part of a trilgoy that contains said shitted on film.

I think that's just the cherry on top of a very unorganised trilogy. Nothing flows between the films, it feels rushed as you have said, and it's hard to relate to any of the key characters.

 

[SM]

The nuggets would be the ROTS speech and his overall planning in the PT. Plus some stuff in the books but shouldn't include that here.

I think he meant every word in TLJ, just as she did. It is only when they learned the principle truth that it all syncs up. Don't forget he saw through their connection what she saw, as a child, and felt. That may have been the facade her parents were wanting to show, so Rey didn't chase them. Again, plausible if not inspired.

Sorry I'm specifically talking VII and VIII, which did not set it up at all. His speech about death in ROTS was literally planted in TROS as a handwave explanation that doesn't really fly.

Nothing in the books suggests it either, and believe me I've read them.

Going to have to agree to disagree on this one, particularly since we know out of universe the connection was thrown in so late in the process so it's a fact that it wasn't intended in TFA or TLJ.

 

[Moti]

I guess I'm just a bit sad that one of the main things people like about TROS is that it shits on TLJ. That's not a reason to like a film, especially not one that is meant to be the concluding part of a trilgoy that contains said shitted on film.

Agree. My philosophy is that they could go either way and as long as I enjoyed the outcome, I would be happy. I would have loved to see Luke and Rey fighting the Knights of Ren on Ach-To as per the supposed leaks for TLJ, but enjoyed what I got. I would love to see Luke actually taking on the FO at Crait, but loved what we got. For me it isn't always a matter of one way or the other, sometimes you can be happy for either.

Like LOTR, I would have been fine if they used that bird looking thing to pick up Gandalf from the tower and drop the ring straight in the lava and forgo the 10 hour movie marathon.

 

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[edgie]

Palpatine shooting up a fleet with lightening, the constant bait and switch if who was dead, and the kiss, were all awful.

Well I'm going to have to disagree with most of that.

The lightning was cheesy at worst but right now my expectations of what Disney do with the force are below low.

The bait and switch I didn't mind but would have preferred them both be alive.

I loved the kiss.

So yeah.


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[edgie]

Were we promised that? I liked it.

Yes we were. It was focused on in marketing and at conventions.


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[SM]

Well I'm going to have to disagree with most of that.

The lightning was cheesy at worst but right now my expectations of what Disney do with the force are below low.

The bait and switch I didn't mind but would have preferred them both be alive.

I loved the kiss.

So yeah.


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I'm glad.

 

[edgie]

The fan service per se was fine, it was more the on the nose pandering to basically all of the criticisms of The Last Jedi that made me roll my eyes. The return of Palpatine really didn't fit with the story in a believable way to make me think it was anything other than a panicked last minute decision. Rey being a Palpatine also didn't fit with anything from the previous two movies.

Disagree with undoing much of Last Jedi, agree Palpatine was not the way to go or a poor way they went about it.


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[SM]

Yes we were. It was focused on in marketing and at conventions.


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I must be missing why that was so vital to enjoyment of the game? I don't even remember that being the focus of the marketing, just that she served the Empire at Endor.

 

[SM]

Disagree with undoing much of Last Jedi, agree Palpatine was not the way to go or a poor way they went about it.


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You disagree that that's what they did, or you disagree that that was an issue? See usually I like my trilogies cohesive.

 

[edgie]

I guess I'm just a bit sad that one of the main things people like about TROS is that it shits on TLJ. That's not a reason to like a film, especially not one that is meant to be the concluding part of a trilgoy that contains said shitted on film.

Yes it is! And it's a reason to shit on this trilogy as a whole.


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[edgie]

You disagree that that's what they did, or you disagree that that was an issue? See usually I like my trilogies cohesive.

So do I but the trilogy stopped being cohesive one film ago to me.

Making Rey a Palpatine was too much. Palpatine returning and him 'being' Snoke was too much.

RJ stuffed JJ and CT's plans. They scrambled to undo them. It isn't their fault the movies are messy.


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[mighty_sainters]

Anyone seen it a second time yet? Have a feeling it'll be even better the second time round.

 

[edgie]

Anyone seen it a second time yet? Have a feeling it'll be even better the second time round.

Yep.

It didn't really change, I just enjoyed it more. TLJ did not do that for me. TFA sorta did. R1 did. Solo I've still only seen once lol.

Actually same with Attack of the Clones and the OT. I'd like more goes at seeing them at the movies.


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[Summer Nights]

Saw it last night. Very satisfying in the scheme of the sequels and my fav Star Wars in a while. In the context of the broader saga, I do not like Palpatine’s return. It diminishes Anakin’s story, but in terms of this film in the ST, it was utterly cool. Visually, dialogue and vibe-wise, it was very Star Wars and I will definitely watch it again.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

The fan service per se was fine, it was more the on the nose pandering to basically all of the criticisms of The Last Jedi that made me roll my eyes. The return of Palpatine really didn't fit with the story in a believable way to make me think it was anything other than a panicked last minute decision. Rey being a Palpatine also didn't fit with anything from the previous two movies.

Really had no other choice.

If Rian didn't kill off Snoke there would have been no need to bring back Palpatine.