Movie Star Wars - Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker - Spoilers and Rumors

[glenferry23]

None of the characters’ actions are inconsistent or illogical, it’s just not the characterisation many wanted to see. And that can be said of most of the criticisms of TLJ.

And no offence, but reincarnation of Anakin would have had me tuning out very quickly. Rey as a nobody doesn’t undo the Skywalker saga, it was all set up for Luke’s sacrifice to inspire the people to rise up, defeat the First Order once and for all, end the Jedi/Sith dynamic. An end to the Order and all it’s flaws, new ‘Jedi’ responsible to and for themselves. A fitting legacy for the Skywalkers to bring about a better balance and no need to bring back the Emperor and undo the key arcs Luke and Anakin in the original movies.

Exhibit A, Rose. Saves Finn because she “loves him”, even though it cost the lives of dozens of her colleagues when they’re blasted by the very canon Finn was trying to save them from. One of the more idiotic things I’ve seen in Star Wars, genuinely felt sorry for Kellie Marie Tran.

 

[edgie]

Holdo and Leia and Poe, full of inconsistency.

 

[edgie]

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And where was Luke's 3rd lesson?


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Wasn't it in a deleted scene lol?

More Rian Johnson magic.

 

[RolandF1]

Wasn't it in a deleted scene lol?

More Rian Johnson magic.

It would have been great if Luke brought it up in the 3rd movie as his final talk was the 3rd lesson but yeah.

 

[edgie]

It would have been great if Luke brought it up in the 3rd movie as his final talk was the 3rd lesson but yeah.

Who needs Luke to actually do the Jedi training when you can just throw a CGI Carrie Fisher in there?

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Holdo and Leia and Poe, full of inconsistency.

Nothing against Laura Dern but I hated Holdo most pointless character she was there to basically make Poe look like a stupid male.

 

[Toump Ass]

The ‘breaking the wheel’ as you call is absolutely what makes it fresh when you consider it is part of a franchise that relies so heavily on its familiar beats. Who is this young Jedi’s parents? Nobody, not everyone is related. Who is this manipulator pulling the strings from behind the scenes? No one, this master apprentice trope is old. Who is this young apprentice, is he a fallen hero who can be redeemed? No, even after turning on his master, he’s his own man that should have been the big bad. It turned the character of Luke on its head and in doing so had lots to say about success and failure, myths and legends, what it means to pass things on the next generation, themes you don’t usually find in your popcorn blockbusters. Hell, the climax was great and yet was nothing like a regular blockbuster CGI free-for-all.

I've changed my opinion on TLJ based largely on the insight in your posts. I can see there's a lot to like in it. Still reckon it's a dud film tho, and I reckon they could have explored the myth/legend/success-failure themes without having grumpy Luke pour milk from an alien breast.

 

[edgie]

It didn't really turn the character of Luke on his head either.

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[glenferry23]

Wasn't it in a deleted scene lol?

More Rian Johnson magic.

It’s not magic.

It’s pacing.

 

[iBeng]

Dunno if anyone posted it before but damn this is gold

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Dunno if anyone posted it before but damn this is gold

Disney story group is probably full of these types lol

 

[quotemokc]

 

[iBeng]

Borderline Twilight shit in star wars.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Love a good KK rant by Jeremy

 

[Roobs321]

Finally caught up with this last night and it was the first time I've been left unsatisfied by a Star Wars film as a casual fan. I don't care about any of this. Incoherent. Overly busy. Soulless fan service pandering. Bore lore. Desperate attempts at modern humourous spontaneity. Rapid-fire monosyllabic banter. The sense of a sloppily edited production rushing to deadline. Death fake-outs a plenty. Nothing memorable. Use the Forced. Forget the earlier prequels, this is down there with the absolute worst of the Trek films.

The new phase of Star Wars has otherwise been welcome, but this will numb general audience interest for a good while. Good riddance to the Skywalkers, Palpatines, space battles, lightsabers, British lackeys, cutesy droids. Evolve past cliche or creatively die like this did. Time for 'the force' to return to the margins.

1. ANH 9/10
2. TFA 9/10
3. ESB 8.5/10
4. Solo 8/10
5. TLJ 7.5/10
6. RotJ 7/10
7. RotS 7/10
8. Rogue1 6.5/10
9. RoS 6/10
10. AotC 6/10
11. TPM 5/10

Edited above ranking to reflect second viewing in subsequent posts, but otherwise left text alone.

 

[Roobs321]

Slightly fonder second viewing (about a 6/10). Abrams' visual execution and adventuring spirit remains warmly zippy, whilst the themes resonated more strongly.

However, still not a fan of the Hux & Chewie storylines. Hux should've gone down with Snoke, merely seems to be kept around in order to flesh out Cushing 2.0 and juxtapose others through his selfish powerplay and karmic fate, whilst Chewie maybe should've been kept busy on a Leia secretive side mission for Lando (ala R2 in ANH) rather than walk off wastefully and take the dagger finder to a seeming death (the 3PO sacrifice, fine in itself, is demeaned by such writing). Both storylines seem there to justify an Imperial Navy face2face convergence because formula, and the breakneck environ-hopping throughout is similarly shallow.

The 16 hour wayfinder quest, including four Rey-Ren skirmishes enroute to Palps, also feels like an overly rushed crossover episode of The Amazing Race and Who Do You Think You Are? A little bit more Rey stewing over parental memory and (less one-note) Palps temptation might have helped.

 

[glenferry23]

That’s impressive you’ve watched it twice in 2 days. I haven’t revisited it since I first saw it opening day last year. Just very little desire to see it again. A couple of Babu Frik funny moment compilations on YouTube has been the extent of it.

 

[JackOutback]

That’s impressive you’ve watched it twice in 2 days. I haven’t revisited it since I first saw it opening day last year. Just very little desire to see it again. A couple of Babu Frik funny moment compilations on YouTube has been the extent of it.

I watched a second time when it hit Disney+ because my son wanted to watch it. I had no desire to rewatch it at the cinemas, which I had done for all TFA, TLJ and R1. It perhaps wasn't as bad on the rewatch but the biggest disappointments are still big.

 

[glenferry23]

I watched a second time when it hit Disney+ because my son wanted to watch it. I had no desire to rewatch it at the cinemas, which I had done for all TFA, TLJ and R1. It perhaps wasn't as bad on the rewatch but the biggest disappointments are still big.

Actually you just reminded me, yes I did try it on Disney+ shortly after it was available. I didn’t even make it past the opening scenes of Ben meeting Palpatine. I will try it again at some point however every other film so far (aside from Solo) got a second cinema viewing from me as well.

 

[Roobs321]

That’s impressive you’ve watched it twice in 2 days. I haven’t revisited it since I first saw it opening day last year. Just very little desire to see it again. A couple of Babu Frik funny moment compilations on YouTube has been the extent of it.

I have a tendency to like some space & sci-fi films a lot more on an immediate second viewing. This happened with Alien Covenant, Star Trek Beyond, The Force Awakens, all of which I wasn't very keen on initially but quickly fell in love with the next day. Must be something about long-running franchises with so much potential scope opting for a single path and adjusting to that. Had the DVD out from the library so thought I'd give it a second look before returning and probably not seeing again until television down the track. 2 viewings is all I need from RoS. My SW canon is mostly just ANH, ESB, TFA & Solo, the rest are nice enough but I don't really need to hang on to a copy of them as they aren't ones I have a hankering to return to. I'm not really into SW as a saga thing, the freer and more self-contained the matinee adventure the better. ESB is good enough to poke past that preference of mine.

 

[edgie]

I still like it, but I'd still happily fire it in to the sun with the rest of the sequels.

 

[JackOutback]

I still like it, but I'd still happily fire it in to the sun with the rest of the sequels.

I'd happily stop at TLJ and let the novelists go to work.

 

[edgie]

I'd happily stop at TLJ and let the novelists go to work.

So you prefer fan fiction over what you were given?

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[JackOutback]

So you prefer fan fiction over what you were given?

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Professional novelists don't write fan fiction, any more than professional screenwriters do.

I do think there'd be plenty of novelists that could write a better conclusion to the sequel trilogy.

I just wish that either a) RJ had been brought back to tie up his threads, or b) a third director had been brought in to give their take on the story. Going back to JJ, who then became obsessed with story beats that had been left behind was possibly the worst choice, though I can perfectly understand why they thought it was a good choice at the time.

 

[Father Jack]

I only recently got around to seeing this film, and dear god what a way to kill a franchise. Why does everyone have to be related to everyone else? It's like they ran out of ideas after Empire Strikes Back. And that bullshit with Chewbacca was some next-level bullshit.

It somehow manages to make the Prequels look good, I guess in the same way Trump makes George W Bush look good.