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Ok, I finished Bloodline by Claudia Gray. Seriously, I cannot stand how she constantly goes into detail about what people are wearing and their hairstyles. Like, in the middle of a deathly important conversation or bit of action, she'll embark on a description of such things. However.....it WAS a good book/story. Very well-written, writing style.

I can say that now, because I'm about a third of the way into the first of three Aftermath books, and I hate this writer already. His writing style makes it very hard to follow along. So much unrealistic dialog too, like every character, be they good guy or bad guy, be they a grim loner or young adult, they all talk in the same manner. He doesn't give different characters different talking styles. The way he also spaced out the story of this first book, is poorly done. The story jumps away to another scene going on somewhere else, and another scene, and another scene, so that there are ten different things going on at once, and you're supposed to remember what was going on in the first one, by the time it comes back round to picking up where the first one left off. Badly done too because there might be high tension going on in that scene, then he cuts away to some non-tense scene, then switches to some other mildly tense scene, etc etc, so when your interest does pique with the tension, you get pushed back into some boring interlude that lasts for 10 pages. Bad sense of story-telling. You don't take people up then down, then down, then somewhere in the middle, then back down, then up again. Another thing that annoys is his over-use of silly words or phrases, either that character's say in chatter, or him describing something.

However, the one thing I like about his writing style is his quick short sentences and phrases. Doesn't muck around like Claudia Gray does. Gray will go off on some extravagant description of people's clothing and hair-styles. Whereas this dude, is simply hitting the points, the story points. Doesn't at all go off into tangents of descriptions....except those describing people's actions outside of quotes, or to quickly paint the environment (like a hangar or room, etc).


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In short....Bloodline has a really good story happening, and you can easily follow it from the first page to the last. It's a sequence of events, a chronology, and as the story evolves it keeps building up tension, action, shocking things, and you're really engrossed in the linear story.

Whereas, Aftermath (so far) is kind of like a book form of a SW movie, how a movies jumps back and forth across multitudes of different scenes going on. Except that in Aftermath there are far too many different stories going on, some highly tense, some silly and boring, and the constant jumping back and forth only makes it harder to follow, no sense of a story slowly building to a climax.

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But, of course, I will persevere and read all three Aftermath books. I do punish myself so.
 
Havent read one single book. Just seen the fillums.
Tell me GG. I imagine a world like star wars is incredibly difficult to translate in written narrative.
Everyone is completely conditioned to the visuals and books I imagine extrapolate this tediously.
I also imagine the books would compensate by over saturating character development as that is the only real device they can use to offer a new perspective and niche point to make the reading the books a viable and worthwhile exercise.
Fans of course will devour everything. But I wonder how much the books really add to your immersion in that stunning visual universe apart from background filler.
A completely uninformed opinion so Im curious as to those who have read the books and their subsequent reactions. Did reading the books immerse you even more?
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Havent read one single book. Just seen the fillums.
Tell me GG. I imagine a world like star wars is incredibly difficult to translate in written narrative.
Everyone is completely conditioned to the visuals and books I imagine extrapolate this tediously.
I also imagine the books would compensate by over saturating character development as that is the only real device they can use to offer a new perspective and niche point to make the reading the books a viable and worthwhile exercise.
Fans of course will devour everything. But I wonder how much the books really add to your immersion in that stunning visual universe apart from background filler.
A completely uninformed opinion so Im curious as to those who have read the books and their subsequent reactions. Did reading the books immerse you even more?
darth-vader-reading-harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows.jpg

As I said in a recent previous post, I think the Comics are better than book form. Book form is exactly as you guessed. It's laborious and too heavy in description, exposition, and references.

I think it goes like this...

Movies > TV animation > Comics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Books
 

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Not even the best writer in the universe could ever capture in words the pure malevolence, ambition and disdain of our sith.
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Why I hate reading novels. I can't stand how much the authors want to show off; also how much description/exposition, references, and extra lines of repetitious description they write. What could take ten words, they take four lines to do. What could take a line to do, they take a paragraph to do. Multiplied by about ten times on every single page of the book. You end up with a 500 page book that could of been written in 100 pages.
 
Havent read one single book. Just seen the fillums.
Tell me GG. I imagine a world like star wars is incredibly difficult to translate in written narrative.
Everyone is completely conditioned to the visuals and books I imagine extrapolate this tediously.
I also imagine the books would compensate by over saturating character development as that is the only real device they can use to offer a new perspective and niche point to make the reading the books a viable and worthwhile exercise.
Fans of course will devour everything. But I wonder how much the books really add to your immersion in that stunning visual universe apart from background filler.
A completely uninformed opinion so Im curious as to those who have read the books and their subsequent reactions. Did reading the books immerse you even more?
darth-vader-reading-harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows.jpg

Yeah the Star Wars book are fine. No different to other science fiction or fantasy in the way it approaches story and description. Only thing is the multiple authors with different approaches (and always references to original trilogy) and the fact that certain things won't happen like Luke dying or Coruscant blowing up. Depending on which ones you read they can be pretty good. Everyone has their individual tastes of course and while 'Legends' is being cherry picked by Disney the stories there sadly arent canon anymore. Internet is a good way of working out what a ship or species looks like if confused but people did have to use their imagination when reading Tolkien back in the day.

Admittedly the new canon is not making significant impacts like a number of the legends books did but that's due to the new series of movies and spin offs. The Marvel comics I've found to be average against the Dark Horse run.

Not even the best writer in the universe could ever capture in words the pure malevolence, ambition and disdain of our sith.
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James Luceno and Drew Karpyshyn have done quite well with Sith. Luceno in particular writes Palpatine very well.

As I said in a recent previous post, I think the Comics are better than book form. Book form is exactly as you guessed. It's laborious and too heavy in description, exposition, and references.

Many comics have those traits. Alan Moore's Swamp Thing.
 
Havent read one single book. Just seen the fillums.
Tell me GG. I imagine a world like star wars is incredibly difficult to translate in written narrative.
Everyone is completely conditioned to the visuals and books I imagine extrapolate this tediously.
I also imagine the books would compensate by over saturating character development as that is the only real device they can use to offer a new perspective and niche point to make the reading the books a viable and worthwhile exercise.
Fans of course will devour everything. But I wonder how much the books really add to your immersion in that stunning visual universe apart from background filler.
A completely uninformed opinion so Im curious as to those who have read the books and their subsequent reactions. Did reading the books immerse you even more?
darth-vader-reading-harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows.jpg
The trilogy written by Timothy Zahn that kicked off the whole novels universe was described as being so much like Star Wars you could hear the music playing in your head. And it's true. There are books of varying quality, of course, but the best capture the tone and style of Star Wars very well.
 
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The new canon seems to lack new and original stories featuring the main characters; it's like Disney doesn't know which direction it is going, so is constraining the writers from developing fresh ideas. It's understandable, I guess, but a little frustrating. The current release is Thrawn, the next is Phasma, we've had Tarkin and a prequel to Rogue One. It's like they are giving authors background stories that can't intervene in any way with the movies. It will be interesting to see if and when they give authors creative licence to play with the new universe.
 
I hated reading the Aftermath trilogy....from a writing/reading perspective. Too many silly phrases used, the over-use of triple words (bang! bang! bang!), all the characters talk unrealistically and too long, and too similarly to each other, with that Solo-like quipping, as well as the disjointed story-telling by the author; jumping from scene to scene too many times, especially when he has sometimes 5 or more different scenes going on, then by the time he comes back to a scene, you forget what was going on. Especially in context too with tension created for each scene....he might leave scene #1 with danger and action, then write at length about scene #2 which is filled with a lot of light talk between characters, then jumps to scene #3 which is pages of setting up the environment and scene, etc....so that when you do go back to the cliffhanger of scene #1, 50 pages later, the tension has been sucked out of it.

As a writing of novels, it would've been better (imo) if he stuck to a more linear narrative, where a scene takes on and absorbs into it the NEXT scene, and then that takes on the next scene, etc. So like a progression of escalating matters, with new characters joining into the story as the plot progresses. Rather than jumping back and forth trying to first establish 5 different scenes, and 20 different characters, and then jumping between them the rest of the way.

I also think something is a little fishy. I've read Bloodline and now Aftermath (and soon to read all the other new canon books), but have already noticed that two very different writers overuse the same words, overuse the same expressions, etc. Like, the REAL writer is the head Editor at LucasFilms Book branch. Like the authors submit their final work, and then this hypothetical chief Editor makes sweeping revisions, adds references to movie characters, places, etc, keeps continuity to the entire new canon, so you see a lot of similarity of exact language, phrases, words, expressions, etc between different SW books.

Just a theory :p
 
I hated reading the Aftermath trilogy....from a writing/reading perspective. Too many silly phrases used, the over-use of triple words (bang! bang! bang!), all the characters talk unrealistically and too long, and too similarly to each other, with that Solo-like quipping, as well as the disjointed story-telling by the author; jumping from scene to scene too many times, especially when he has sometimes 5 or more different scenes going on, then by the time he comes back to a scene, you forget what was going on. Especially in context too with tension created for each scene....he might leave scene #1 with danger and action, then write at length about scene #2 which is filled with a lot of light talk between characters, then jumps to scene #3 which is pages of setting up the environment and scene, etc....so that when you do go back to the cliffhanger of scene #1, 50 pages later, the tension has been sucked out of it.

As a writing of novels, it would've been better (imo) if he stuck to a more linear narrative, where a scene takes on and absorbs into it the NEXT scene, and then that takes on the next scene, etc. So like a progression of escalating matters, with new characters joining into the story as the plot progresses. Rather than jumping back and forth trying to first establish 5 different scenes, and 20 different characters, and then jumping between them the rest of the way.

I also think something is a little fishy. I've read Bloodline and now Aftermath (and soon to read all the other new canon books), but have already noticed that two very different writers overuse the same words, overuse the same expressions, etc. Like, the REAL writer is the head Editor at LucasFilms Book branch. Like the authors submit their final work, and then this hypothetical chief Editor makes sweeping revisions, adds references to movie characters, places, etc, keeps continuity to the entire new canon, so you see a lot of similarity of exact language, phrases, words, expressions, etc between different SW books.

Just a theory :p
GG have you read 'Lost Stars' by Claudia Grey? It's a young adult book, but I actually enjoyed it a lot. Was interesting to have the perspective of the empire. Quite looking forward to the battlefront 2 prequel Inferno Squadron later this year.


I'm up to the 3rd and final Aftermath book. First one I hated, took me ages to get through it. Second one was okay, and third one I'm only a quarter way through, its okay too, just taking forever to finish it.

Bloodline I struggled through too. It was actually rather interesting but after a while the politics was a bit much.


Will be reading the new Thrawn book next, followed by Inferno Squadron which is probably the one I'm really looking forward to.
 
The Thrawn novel is probably the pick of the bunch, but Zahn rarely produces a bad book. I didn't mind any of the novels but then I don't expect classics, just fun novels. When the odd classic slips through, it's a bonus.

I just wish they would be a bit more creative with their ideas. I know they are limited because they don't know where Disney is headed just yet. But there's no reason they can't still write books set in the prequel and original series timeline. Can't say I'm that interested in a book about Phasma.
 
GG have you read 'Lost Stars' by Claudia Grey? It's a young adult book, but I actually enjoyed it a lot. Was interesting to have the perspective of the empire. Quite looking forward to the battlefront 2 prequel Inferno Squadron later this year.


I'm up to the 3rd and final Aftermath book. First one I hated, took me ages to get through it. Second one was okay, and third one I'm only a quarter way through, its okay too, just taking forever to finish it.

Bloodline I struggled through too. It was actually rather interesting but after a while the politics was a bit much.


Will be reading the new Thrawn book next, followed by Inferno Squadron which is probably the one I'm really looking forward to.

I've got all the books you mentioned, plus some others like Lords of the Sith, etc. I will get thru them all eventually. Just trying to finish them one by one. Completed, Bloodline -- agree with you, was interesting, but too much politics. Aftermath -- hate the writing but gotta say, a LOT happens in this trilogy. Now I'm undecided which is the next one I'll read....I've got them all.
 

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I've got all the books you mentioned, plus some others like Lords of the Sith, etc. I will get thru them all eventually. Just trying to finish them one by one. Completed, Bloodline -- agree with you, was interesting, but too much politics. Aftermath -- hate the writing but gotta say, a LOT happens in this trilogy. Now I'm undecided which is the next one I'll read....I've got them all.
Give Lost Stars a crack. As I said it's young adult, it does at times feel like a high school soapy. But it's actually a fun light read and goes through the entire original trilogy from different perspectives and ends just before The Force Awakens.
 
Give Lost Stars a crack. As I said it's young adult, it does at times feel like a high school soapy. But it's actually a fun light read and goes through the entire original trilogy from different perspectives and ends just before The Force Awakens.
Just for you, I will do just that :thumbsu:
 
Further on my theory...

Look at how many major events, moments, scenes, locations etc occur in the Aftermath trilogy, especially that tie in with TFA era. There is no way Disney and LF are allowing some freelance writer to establish so much important content without them first writing it for him -- the essential plot points of the story, and just giving him freedom to create new characters and name them and such things. Then going over it with a fine-tooth comb to ok it.

Consider Rebels. The staff of writers for the show are like novel authors, but everything has to pass thru Dave Filoni. And he's a very high up entrenched identity in Star Wars. And even he has to get the ok of LF and Disney for any major aspects that affect the greater universe and tie in with the movies and TFA era.


Chuck Wendig has never written a Star Wars book before. Not entrenched. No way they're entrusting so much to him. Imo, he would've been given a synopsis of a book, the major events and plot points to occur, especially that tie in with TFA era. Locations, characters from existing canon who interact with his new characters, places they went, things they did together or not, certain planets featured, what revelations to avoid, not allowed to decide the back story for characters like Rey and Snoke.
 
Further on my theory...

Look at how many major events, moments, scenes, locations etc occur in the Aftermath trilogy, especially that tie in with TFA era. There is no way Disney and LF are allowing some freelance writer to establish so much important content without them first writing it for him -- the essential plot points of the story, and just giving him freedom to create new characters and name them and such things. Then going over it with a fine-tooth comb to ok it.

Consider Rebels. The staff of writers for the show are like novel authors, but everything has to pass thru Dave Filoni. And he's a very high up entrenched identity in Star Wars. And even he has to get the ok of LF and Disney for any major aspects that affect the greater universe and tie in with the movies and TFA era.


Chuck Wendig has never written a Star Wars book before. Not entrenched. No way they're entrusting so much to him. Imo, he would've been given a synopsis of a book, the major events and plot points to occur, especially that tie in with TFA era. Locations, characters from existing canon who interact with his new characters, places they went, things they did together or not, certain planets featured, what revelations to avoid, not allowed to decide the back story for characters like Rey and Snoke.

I can't stand that he was entrusted to write such important events when he is a horrible writer and completely butchered the whole trilogy. I couldn't stand his writing style, dialogue, or characterisation of some pretty crucial characters.
 
The Thrawn novel is probably the pick of the bunch, but Zahn rarely produces a bad book. I didn't mind any of the novels but then I don't expect classics, just fun novels. When the odd classic slips through, it's a bonus.

I just wish they would be a bit more creative with their ideas. I know they are limited because they don't know where Disney is headed just yet. But there's no reason they can't still write books set in the prequel and original series timeline. Can't say I'm that interested in a book about Phasma.

The amount of material crowding into IV - VI - along with the movies - is just disgusting. Give us a broader backstory now that the Legends books have been scrapped. Or bring some of them back into continuity if they don't conflict with anything.
 
Searched for them online and downloaded. Some were epub files that I then converted to PDF and some I had to download from tor rents

You don't think spending $15 might be worthwhile to support the content?
 

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