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Stop the lies Bill
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Zali Steggal has tried three times to introduce a bill, similar to a south Australian Law, that tries to prevent lies in political advertising.
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“Currently under Australian law it is perfectly legal to lie in a political ad.
Public trust in politicians has been eroded over time and some of that erosion is due to their ability to lie in political ads.” Zali.
The video is about how it is legal to lie in political ads…. But in any other type of advertising, for products etc.. it’s not legal to make false claims.
In South Australia it’s not legal to lie.
Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Stop the Lies) Bill
Ask the LNP that.
Such a law at the federal level might discourage false political ads, but it definitely wouldn't stop them.
Look at what happened here in South Australia: Labor ran an ad saying ambulance ramping is worse than ever. That was found to be misleading because ramping had declined from a peak months earlier, and the ad was ordered to be withdrawn. But that finding was the day before the election, and Labor won anyway.
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I guess knowing there is a law and mechanism in place would be better than the parties knowing they can lie all they like.
Look at what happened here in South Australia: Labor ran an ad saying ambulance ramping is worse than ever. That was found to be misleading because ramping had declined from a peak months earlier, and the ad was ordered to be withdrawn. But that finding was the day before the election, and Labor won anyway.
'Misleading and inaccurate': SA Labor told to drop ambulance ramping claim
Labor has been ordered to withdraw a South Australian election advertisement claiming ambulance ramping "is worse than ever", after the state's Electoral Commissioner deemed it "inaccurate and misleading", and in breach of electoral law.
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I guess knowing there is a law and mechanism in place would be better than the parties knowing they can lie all they like.
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Would it apply to newscorp as the advertising arm of the LNP or would they be exempt?
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I agree, politicians should be subject to perjury laws while in Parliament.
Members of parliaments will always govern themselves for those actions that take place in parliament. This is a key pillar of the Westminster system and it's augmented separation of powers.
ALP, Greens, PHON etc dont lie?
This is just grandstanding and meaningless.
Almost all political advertising is what the parties will do in the future. So how can it be a lie if the event hasn't happened yet?
A lie is only a lie if a person misrepresents something that has already occurred.
Almost all political advertising is what the parties will do in the future. So how can it be a lie if the event hasn't happened yet?
A lie is only a lie if a person misrepresents something that has already occurred.
Never said they didn't, but the Lieberals and Notionals seem top have it as policy.
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Is it a law or a convention? Like ministerial responsibility it's prone to be disregarded when it doesn't suit if only a convention.
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What about if you run an ad saying something like "The ALP government has cut funding to the Australian Border Force" - let's be honest most ads are about the other side not about what you're planning on doing. That's usually covered in media releases or news conferences.
Yeah, that’s fairly black and white but good luck to anyone trying to litigate that.
Political parties aren’t stupid. Everything will have a grain of truth to it.
And yes, most ads are about what the other side will or won’t do if elected. Impossible to prove that the ads are untrue because anything in the future may or may not happen.
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It is the rules. So both and neither really. But I know during lockdowns there was talk of MPs being prevented from entering Parliament House in Melbourne, and this being dismissed because it would be the Executive enforcing a situation on the Legislature. Same with the Judiciary. The Parliament governs itself, and the accountability measure are elections.
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Hmm so it's a component of the separation of powers which I understand. Still would like to see politicians held to account for what they say in Parliament, elections are well and good but at the end of the day it isn't a true reflection on the accountability of the individual, more on their party. EG Morrison was re-elected in Cook but his government was thrown out and others who may have been decent representatives lost their positions while he continued until resigning. The election was ultimate a referendum on the LNP government but not on individual LNP members of parliament.
I think that sentiment is laudable. An alternative inside the Westminster tradition doesn't easily present itself.
Politicians lie....they all do it. All of them...even the ones that your primitive brain wants to believe are safe.... If they didn't lie they wouldn't have ever made it to parliament. Its pathological in their nature to lie, mislead and obfuscate, no matter their persuasion....its endemic in the pathway to their achievement.
Pretending that one side of politics has a monopoly on lying is so deliberately misleading in itself, and just plays into the schoolyard 'barracking' rhetoric that blinds one self from the blatant shortcomings of their preferred party, because according to you...the other side is worse.
If that makes you feel safe to think there is a good and an evil in parliament.... then by all means you believe what you want to believe, but you are only fooling yourself.
You would have to say that the previous Morrison government, and part before Morrison , made a habit of it.
Morrison was called out for lying many many times.
His denial of things that he had obviously said, yet refuted even when shown proof of lying.
Only have to look at the lies told about Robodebt. So many constantly lied about it.
But, I agree so many do lie.
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I can understand the argument of wanting this kind of thing to have more power, and more range.
But how can anyone argue against this kind of thing, without realising they've been manipulated?!?
But how can anyone argue against this kind of thing, without realising they've been manipulated?!?
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