Training Summer Footy Fix - 2022 training watch

[KermitJagger]

Develop your strengths
Acknowledge your weaknesses

That's 100% Sam's mentality.

 

[Mojo]

Develop your strengths
Acknowledge your weaknesses

"I acknowledge I suck at running, kicking and general skills work, BUT I'm real good at dogging a 50m dart, so I'm gonna work on that some more."

 

[daniel23]

Really enjoy the walk and talk stuff tbh.
Really hoping that Day can come back and play very early on next season, and really hoping that Sam's strengh's based approach to coaching works well for the young group.

Really surprising he isn't in full training yet, the club were definetly tight lipped about how severe his injury was.

 

[Brant]

"I acknowledge I suck at running, kicking and general skills work, BUT I'm real good at dogging a 50m dart, so I'm gonna work on that some more."

Is that you Matty Suckling?

 

[Beandip]

Really surprising he isn't in full training yet, the club were definetly tight lipped about how severe his injury was.

Josh Caddy should be publicly stoned for crimes against football. Shit truck of a player ruining careers

 

[matey]

Day’s ankle injury occurred Rd2 on the 28th of March some 9 months ago. He did come back Rd13-15 and his last game v Giants gathered 29 disposals. Then from memory he was absent for the rest season due to the ankle pulling up sore? Was great to hear that Day is running again but does anyone know anymore details around his journey/progress with his ankle?

 

[almuz]

I thought word was that Day could have played in the last round of the season but the club were playing it safe?

That really does not seem to marry up with still not in full training come late December.

Glad they are taking it slow now in any case, rather be 100% certain with something as finicky as an ankle.

 

[burger09]

 

[Dewyyyyy]

The Stkilda game where we got smashed he was top 5 on the ground without JOM and Mitchell around him. Was 2019 form. Looks a different player when given more ownership of responsibility which suggests he has good leadership capabilities

Mitchell played that game

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Day’s ankle injury occurred Rd2 on the 28th of March some 9 months ago. He did come back Rd13-15 and his last game v Giants gathered 29 disposals. Then from memory he was absent for the rest season due to the ankle pulling up sore? Was great to hear that Day is running again but does anyone know anymore details around his journey/progress with his ankle?

Word was he rolled it late in the GWS game.

 

[Stratton24]

Sam believes in Worpel(Newk and Nash too I assume), that’s why he was open to trading one of Tom or JOM out.

Sam was not open to trading one of them out.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Sam was not open to trading one of them out.

Yes Sam was willing to trade any senior if the price was right, including O'Meara and T Mitchell.

 

[KermitJagger]

Yes Sam was willing to trade any senior if the price was right, including O'Meara and T Mitchell.

That's silly though. I'm not willing to sell my house, but if someone offered me double its value I'm not gonna say no. Almost every player in the league is up for trade for "the right price".

There's a difference between willingness to trade a player and desire to do so.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

That's silly though. I'm not willing to sell my house, but if someone offered me double its value I'm not gonna say no. Almost every player in the league is up for trade for "the right price".

There's a difference between willingness to trade a player and desire to do so.

You can take that up with the HFC, all older players were told they could be in trade discussions. It is, what it is!

Mitchell, O'Meara, Bruest and Wingard were all in talks.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Sam was not open to trading one of them out.

I don’t know how you could arrive at this conclusion, in the face of everything that took place over the trade period, and everything that McCartney and others have said since.

 

[eldorado]

That's silly though. I'm not willing to sell my house, but if someone offered me double its value I'm not gonna say no. Almost every player in the league is up for trade for "the right price".

There's a difference between willingness to trade a player and desire to do so.

You can take that up with the HFC, all older players were told they could be in trade discussions. It is, what it is!

Mitchell, O'Meara, Bruest and Wingard were all in talks.

There is nothing contradictory about these two posts.

As Rogie says, there is a big difference between 'we will have to look at a godfather offer if one comes' and 'we want to flog you off for whatever we can get".

The club know this, the players know this

 

[Slainte]

I don’t know how you could arrive at this conclusion, in the face of everything that took place over the trade period, and everything that McCartney and others have said since.

I think this is one of those discussions where both parties could be right. Rogie's house analogy probably sums it up.

You can decide to sell your house and put it on the market with the instruction to the agent being to get the best price you can. Alternatively, you can list it with an unrealistic reserve to test the market or you just let agents know that you might be interested in selling but only at crazy price. All the evidence suggests that we adopted the first approach with Ceglar but the second approach with Mitchell, O'Meara, Wingard etc.

Markets in general assume willing buyers and willing sellers. This is where both parties want to do the deal and the number and depth of buyers and sellers determines the price. In the terms of classic market economics, Sam was a willing seller in the case of Ceglar but not in the case of the others. Doesn't mean that he would not sell but just that he was not prepared to meet the market.

 

[Mercy Seat]

That's silly though. I'm not willing to sell my house, but if someone offered me double its value I'm not gonna say no. Almost every player in the league is up for trade for "the right price".

There's a difference between willingness to trade a player and desire to do so.

We weren’t looking to sell at double the value though. If what the media and our own ITKs were saying is true, we were entertaining compensation that most on this forum would say is a little less than their value. Fortunately or unfortunately (whichever way you look at it), the discussions never really evolved and the entire trade period remained in deadlock, but it was pretty clear were keen on getting another top round pick by moving on at least one of those guys.

 

[Stratton24]

Yes Sam was willing to trade any senior if the price was right, including O'Meara and T Mitchell.

And the Dogs would trade the Bont for Gawn an Pettracca. Sam was not open to a realistic trade.

 

[KermitJagger]

We weren’t looking to sell at double the value though. If what the media and our own ITKs were saying is true, we were entertaining compensation that most on this forum would say is a little less than their value. Fortunately or unfortunately (whichever way you look at it), the discussions never really evolved and the entire trade period remained in deadlock, but it was pretty clear were keen on getting another top round pick by moving on at least one of those guys.

If the club was really that bothered, and the players had strong feelings that we wanted to get rid of them, they wouldn't have stayed so happily. That's where this whole line of reasoning falls apart.

I'm going to take Sam's words on faith, and that was though they were open to fielding offers the players were no realistic chance of actually being traded.

 

[Gut Runner]

Day’s ankle injury occurred Rd2 on the 28th of March some 9 months ago. He did come back Rd13-15 and his last game v Giants gathered 29 disposals. Then from memory he was absent for the rest season due to the ankle pulling up sore? Was great to hear that Day is running again but does anyone know anymore details around his journey/progress with his ankle?

Massive concern. Obviously not 100%. If he doesn't play Rd1 I'll be gutted.

 

[PenAndPaper]

I thought word was that Day could have played in the last round of the season but the club were playing it safe?

That really does not seem to marry up with still not in full training come late December.

Glad they are taking it slow now in any case, rather be 100% certain with something as finicky as an ankle.

Didn't he have a surgery to clean it up at the end of the season so that is probably why.

 

[TheFourPillars]

Day has been deliberately held back much to his own frustration but just started running before xmas. This was right on track with his program. He his hoping to ramp up in the new year. Cj has also not done much before xmas but should be raring to go once they return

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

And the Dogs would trade the Bont for Gawn an Pettracca. Sam was not open to a realistic trade.

Oh really, that's why there was talk of Bruest or Wingard going to GWS for pick 13. Which in my opinion would be under Wingards true value. An we was advised the players knocked back the deal.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

If the club was really that bothered, and the players had strong feelings that we wanted to get rid of them, they wouldn't have stayed so happily. That's where this whole line of reasoning falls apart.

I'm going to take Sam's words on faith, and that was though they were open to fielding offers the players were no realistic chance of actually being traded.

Sam also said contracted players had the final say. Sam knew this needed to be done respectfully in case no other club wanted to pay a fair price. Next trade period will tell us a lot about the 2021 trade period i feel