Rumour Tales from the Henley Beach Cafe: CROWS 2021 RUMOURS

[Peter Doherty]

Franklin street bus depot, the huge carpark and the pub,,, afc’s soon to be new home.


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The old Hampshire?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Tom deleted the tweet once he realised who he was talking to.

 

[hey shorty]

Tom deleted the tweet once he realised who he was talking to.

Flog of the highest order.

 

[1970crow]

I'm not sure that goading moron reporters is a good sign. Where has this Binuk clown gotten us? Key component of List Management and hailed as a genius around these parts. Most morons in here focus solely on JR and ignore the rest of the inputs into that area. Coach, footy manager, Binuk, all get deified despite being balls deep. Lots of complete dumbarses in here.

 

[Amacca 23]

I'm not sure that goading moron reporters is a good sign. Where has this Binuk clown gotten us? Key component of List Management and hailed as a genius around these parts. Most morons in here focus solely on JR and ignore the rest of the inputs into that area. Coach, footy manager, Binuk, all get deified despite being balls deep. Lots of complete dumbarses in here.

So dont hold a flog reporter who gets things wrong accountable ??? Oh and he is a clown ill tell you what its clowns like your who are negative nancies who have other club supporters point at our club and saying look at these fools smh

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

There’s also no “mandatory amount” of 3.5%. That’s the average. It’s also not a real average. Asking Jeremy Cameron

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to take a 3.5% pay cut is different to asking Luke Pedlar to do the same. Each clubs doing what they think is best.
And now Browne’s dimb****ery has started the pile on with “AFL Great” Kane numpty Cornes being disgusted by it.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

And if we want to take Browne’s maths as correct, that whole 1.5% difference on a player on $400k is a whole $6,000.
Causing ruffles asking a player to take a cut that’s $3,000 after tax.
outrageous.

 

[1970crow]

So dont hold a flog reporter who gets things wrong accountable ??? Oh and he is a clown ill tell you what its clowns like your who are negative nancies who have other club supporters point at our club and saying look at these fools smh

Yawn. You're the type of numpty that still believes we had the best footy dept in the business despite just winning the spoon. Explain to me the positive influence this Binuk has had.

 

[Amacca 23]

Yawn. You're the type of numpty that still believes we had the best footy dept in the business despite just winning the spoon. Explain to me the positive influence this Binuk has had.

Why dont you ? You seem to know everything heres an idea why dont you apply for the ceo position mr know it all

 

[1970crow]

Why dont you ? You seem to know everything heres an idea why dont you apply for the ceo position mr know it all

Evidence is in the results, it's a performance based industry. It's dimwits like you that are arguing against the overt outcomes. It's your argument to make chief.

 

[Amacca 23]

Evidence is in the results, it's a performance based industry. It's dimwits like you that are arguing against the overt outcomes. It's your argument to make chief.

So did you think we werent going to finish last when we cleaned out all that experience and put kids in our team ? It was the club making a decision to change our philosophy and rebuild our playing list if you thought otherwise then you are a fool

 

[1970crow]

So did you think we werent going to finish last when we cleaned out all that experience and put kids in our team ? It was the club making a decision to change our philosophy and rebuild our playing list if you thought otherwise then you are a fool

All the experience? Douglas had experience. Otten 100 games, Keath and Thor 50 between them and a cooked Betts. Players we played right to the bitter end with no hope of finals. Our spoon wasn't won off the back of lack of experience. How do you explain the 2 years prior? Explain how great Binuk is please. You're claiming knowledge against outcome.

 

[Amacca 23]

All the experience? Douglas had experience. Otten 100 games, Keath and Thor 50 between them and a cooked Betts. Players we played right to the bitter end with no hope of finals. Our spoon wasn't won off the back of lack of experience. How do you explain the 2 years prior? Explain how great Binuk is please. You're claiming knowledge against outcome.

Cooked betts lmao who kicked over 600 goals but hey we will forget about that wont we and greenwood you keep whinging and ill trust the proccess hagd

 

[1970crow]

Cooked betts lmao who kicked over 600 goals but hey we will forget about that wont we and greenwood you keep whinging and ill trust the proccess hagd

So nothing then. Good for you, as they say, ignorance is bliss. You must be living a lot of bliss.

 

[Mego Red]

Yawn. You're the type of numpty that still believes we had the best footy dept in the business despite just winning the spoon. Explain to me the positive influence this Binuk has had.

Well, all of the trades for points we've done have ultimately looked like winners, and that is 100% Binuk.

I'm not sure why you're so against Binuk and us hiring someone who specialises in analytics, because you've said that a lot in the past.

I'd be screaming if we DIDN'T have someone. You'd have to be an absolute backwater to not want to invest in sporting analytics - every major sporting club in the world is spending more every year in that area.

 

[1970crow]

Well, all of the trades for points we've done have ultimately looked like winners, and that is 100% Binuk.

I'm not sure why you're so against Binuk and us hiring someone who specialises in analytics, because you've said that a lot in the past.

I'd be screaming if we DIDN'T have someone. You'd have to be an absolute backwater to not want to invest in sporting analytics - every major sporting club in the world is spending more every year in that area.

It's not 100% Binuk and there's a lot of luck involved. GWS finishing so low is counteracted by us falling off a cliff in 2018 with the Gibbs pick swaps. Melbourne rose the year we got 2 firsts for Lever. If he's the only guy assessing opposition future pick value, then he's as many misses as hits. Him getting into Twitter exchanges with morons is not a particularly good look. He should be well above that. I guess you're happy with the way he has shaped our list, him being a doyen and all.

 

[Golumless]

Yawn. You're the type of numpty that still believes we had the best footy dept in the business despite just winning the spoon. Explain to me the positive influence this Binuk has had.

Considering Binuk was brought on board to be primarily a data analyst, and one with a key role of assessing trades involving future picks, at the moment he is deservingly rated.

After all, we've been rather fantastic in that area, either by design or luck. Regardless if it is either, the person who is key contributor of the call gets the chocolates, much like Reid also deserves credits for those trades.

 

[1970crow]

Considering Binuk was brought on board to be primarily a data analyst, and one with a key role of assessing trades involving future picks, at the moment he is deservingly rated.

After all, we've been rather fantastic in that area, either by design or luck. Regardless if it is either, the person who is key contributor of the call gets the chocolates, much like Reid also deserves credits for those trades.

You ignore our call when trading with Carlton for Gibbs and Melbourne's rise when we had their future first? It's not all chocolates.

 

[MarcusP2]

Those were trades for players with a specific club so less control on our side. Our pick swaps with Carlton and GWS were off our own bat at specific clubs during the draft. Unless you're suggesting that Melbourne should've given us a different clubs future first?

You ignore our call when trading with Carlton for Gibbs and Melbourne's rise when we had their future first? It's not all chocolates.

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[Golumless]

You ignore our call when trading with Carlton for Gibbs and Melbourne's rise when we had their future first? It's not all chocolates.

Both trades occurred before Binuk came abroad (Binuk is here from 2018-, both trades occurred in 2017).

Mind you, even with that rise, that trade for Lever was a 10/10.

 

[fortunatecrow]

There’s also no “mandatory amount” of 3.5%. That’s the average. It’s also not a real average. Asking Jeremy Cameron to take a 3.5% pay cut is different to asking Luke Pedlar to do the same. Each clubs doing what they think is best.
And now Browne’s dimbf***ery has started the pile on with “AFL Great” Kane numpty Cornes being disgusted by it.

Ordinarily if you heard that Kane agrees with you you'd go back and check what it was you'd said.....

 

[1970crow]

Both trades occurred before Binuk came abroad (Binuk is here from 2018-, both trades occurred in 2017).

Mind you, even with that rise, that trade for Lever was a 10/10.

so in totality he's apparently predicted the GWS downfall and been here for our complete and utter dive to the very bottom. Suggesting he does anything 100% is rubbish. It starts with the talent ID team, they rate the talent and if there's not much difference between a group of them then list management are deployed to see what extra value they can extract if we think we'd get the same quality with 10 that we'd get with 6. Binuk doesn't drive this, talent ID does. It's amazing we can be so shit since his arrival and people laid him as some kind of guru and in the same breath blame everything wrong with list management on Justin Reid. Even when it's become known that one result of the review was to actually give Reid more influence.

 

[Amacca 23]

So nothing then. Good for you, as they say, ignorance is bliss. You must be living a lot of bliss.

Nah but ill back my footy

so in totality he's apparently predicted the GWS downfall and been here for our complete and utter dive to the very bottom. Suggesting he does anything 100% is rubbish. It starts with the talent ID team, they rate the talent and if there's not much difference between a group of them then list management are deployed to see what extra value they can extract if we think we'd get the same quality with 10 that we'd get with 6. Binuk doesn't drive this, talent ID does. It's amazing we can be so sh*t since his arrival and people laid him as some kind of guru and in the same breath blame everything wrong with list management on Justin Reid. Even when it's become known that one result of the review was to actually give Reid more influence.

Tbh youre just clueless and anti everything it was so hard to see us go bottom with a cleanout according to you that,s laughable as is said ill trust the judgement of a professional rather than an armchair critic who whinges about anything

 

[Golumless]

so in totality he's apparently predicted the GWS downfall and been here for our complete and utter dive to the very bottom. Suggesting he does anything 100% is rubbish. It starts with the talent ID team, they rate the talent and if there's not much difference between a group of them then list management are deployed to see what extra value they can extract if we think we'd get the same quality with 10 that we'd get with 6. Binuk doesn't drive this, talent ID does. It's amazing we can be so sh*t since his arrival and people laid him as some kind of guru and in the same breath blame everything wrong with list management on Justin Reid. Even when it's become known that one result of the review was to actually give Reid more influence.

Did I not say that it's a combination of luck/prediction a post ago? I also said being lucky as a critique is completely irrelevant, as being lucky is always just as important as being good, as much as people like to pretend otherwise.

Binuk also has nothing to do with why we were shit, and regardless what he did, we were always going to be so; likewise Reid. The damage was done away from our list management team, though that's firmly covering old ground now. Now onto your next point, Binuk doesn't drive the trade, but his job has been publicised to assess options to downgrade to. After all, this is not an altruistic exercise. His job is to make sure we're getting max value when we're moving picks, and so far. The GWS trade where we got 6 + 8 for pick 4, The other GWS trade where we ended up upgrading our 5th into a 2nd round pick for a 2 pick downgrade, 9 + 19 for pick 4 from Carlton etc. That is Binuks record (and Reids record who decision it ultimately is), and lucky or amazing prediction, he deserves every bit of praised heaped on him. When the wheel turns, he'll deserve that criticism too. You are your record at the end of the day.

Does Reid deserve everything bad happening to our list management to be heaped on him? Absolutely, it's his call in the end of the day, as well as the people under him who drove that decision. Much like everything good happening with our list management deserves to be credited to Reid on top of whoever else played a pivotal role.

In terms of both of them, I'm actually rather happy with their work for the most part. One terrible deal in Gibbs, a couple of whiffs in Greenwood and Crouch, but also a lot of good with getting Hately for free, Lever for Reid, McGovern trade, and we've had an abundance of 1st and 2nd round picks in a period we are rebuilding.

 

[Mego Red]

It's not 100% Binuk and there's a lot of luck involved. GWS finishing so low is counteracted by us falling off a cliff in 2018 with the Gibbs pick swaps. Melbourne rose the year we got 2 firsts for Lever. If he's the only guy assessing opposition future pick value, then he's as many misses as hits. Him getting into Twitter exchanges with morons is not a particularly good look. He should be well above that. I guess you're happy with the way he has shaped our list, him being a doyen and all.

No, but I am happy to have someone who is exclusively focused on analytics, especially in a time of trading picks for points, and such an ability to slide around in the draft.

Across the journey, it's the exchange of picks with folks like GWS when they wanted Bobby Hill and didn't want us to bid on Briggs that were the real wins.