Team Mgmt. Talk about the makeup of our list - midfield balance, height profile, endurance runners

[Jade]

EXPENDABLE!

For the sheer shock value of it, here are the players the club should consider as expendable:

Chapman, Winderlich, Watson, Cooney, Stanton, Gwilt, Dempsey, Hocking, Giles, Howlett, Pears, Kommer, Ambrose, Aylett, Steinberg.

The glaring one there, WATSON?! I have placed Watson as a small forward, as I believe this is where his career is best spent now. As a forward, he rated a 'B' as opposed to the 'A' he obviously is as a midfielder.

Note, when I say expendable, I mean that if we want to get our list profile right, this list needs to be smaller. In fact, we should have no more than five players at any given time here. This doesn't necessarily mean we shed ten of these in a single year, but we need to start moving that way.

What really annoys me, we recruited three of these players this year - not good list management.

 

[ManWithNoName]

EXPENDABLE!

For the sheer shock value of it, here are the players the club should consider as expendable:

Chapman, Winderlich, Watson, Cooney, Stanton, Gwilt, Dempsey, Hocking, Giles, Howlett, Pears, Kommer, Ambrose, Aylett, Steinberg.

The glaring one there, WATSON?! I have placed Watson as a small forward, as I believe this is where his career is best spent now. As a forward, he rated a 'B' as opposed to the 'A' he obviously is as a midfielder.

Note, when I say expendable, I mean that if we want to get our list profile right, this list needs to be smaller. In fact, we should have no more than five players at any given time here. This doesn't necessarily mean we shed ten of these in a single year, but we need to start moving that way.

What really annoys me, we recruited three of these players this year - not good list management.

No Zaharakis?

 

[Jade]

So what do we do? Let's start with the obvious deletions.

Chapman and Winderlich are gone, I think we all know this.

Whilst I'm happy to see the rest of the season play out, I would be fairly confident that Aylett and Steinberg will be delisted without trade offer. So that's immediately four changes to the list.

 

[ManWithNoName]

So what do we do? Let's start with the obvious deletions.

Chapman and Winderlich are gone, I think we all know this.

Whilst I'm happy to see the rest of the season play out, I would be fairly confident that Aylett and Steinberg will be delisted without trade offer. So that's immediately four changes to the list.

Aylett and Steinberg are rookies though. So only two changes to the main list.

 

[Mercuri Rising]

Analytics! Grids! Harsh judgement! I'm getting all hot and bothered.

What really annoys me, we recruited three of these players this year - not good list management.

I still wonder to what degree they were WADA insurance - it must have been a factor, but that seems to have been put to one side while people are putting the boot in over the state of our list/season. Would be interesting to see what would've been different had we been in a rebuild prior to the trade period.

 

[Mercuri Rising]

So what do we do? Let's start with the obvious deletions.

Chapman and Winderlich are gone, I think we all know this.

Whilst I'm happy to see the rest of the season play out, I would be fairly confident that Aylett and Steinberg will be delisted without trade offer. So that's immediately four changes to the list.

I imagine Fletch will retire as well, which I think is the right call. I would be happy to keep Aylett on the rookie list - I assume he still has the three years, even though he was demoted? Pears should probably be delisted, but we can't turn over half the list and need the KPP depth anyway, so delisting him and redrafting in the RD wouldn't be the worst idea, if there are no other candidates.

 

[Jade]

Other opportunities to correct the profile:

Stanton is a free agent and should explore his options. I would love to keep him, but if he can secure a deal outside the club I would not have a problem with that.

Dempsey should (and probably will) be offered for trade. We won't get much, but I'm sure we'll get 'something'.

Thats four changes to the senior list, allowing us to meet our draft obligations.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Analytics! Grids! Harsh judgement! I'm getting all hot and bothered.

I still wonder to what degree they were WADA insurance - it must have been a factor, but that seems to have been put to one side while people are putting the boot in over the state of our list/season. Would be interesting to see what would've been different had we been in a rebuild prior to the trade period.

Gwilt in particular struck me as WADA insurance. Giles probably not, since we only had two ruckmen, one on the rookie list.

 

[Mercuri Rising]

Gwilt in particular struck me as WADA insurance. Giles probably not, since we only had two ruckmen, one on the rookie list.

Absolutely. I was (and still am) quite happy with getting Gwilt in though, WADA or no.

Cooney is the main one, though. Only really made sense for WADA or an immediate flag tilt, nothing in between.

 

[Mercuri Rising]

Other opportunities to correct the profile:

Stanton is a free agent and should explore his options. I would love to keep him, but if he can secure a deal outside the club I would not have a problem with that.

Dempsey should (and probably will) be offered for trade. We won't get much, but I'm sure we'll get 'something'.

Thats four changes to the senior list, allowing us to meet our draft obligations.

Stanton + Dempsey should get us a half-decent pick in FA, even if Dempsey's on a pittance. You'd think end-of-2nd maybe, and I don't think even a straight 2nd-rounder is too optimistic. So ~22 or ~37, before F/S etc.

 

[Jade]

Where are our major holes?

Setting aside what we would have to do to fix the issue (ie trade, draft) where are our major concerns?

RUCK:

We either need to back Bellchambers in to become a top flight ruckman (something he was pre-injury) or we need to recruit one; possibly by trading some high end collateral. Is that Zac Smith? Honestly I'm not sure. I'd be happy to back in Bellchambers, in which case we should be looking to draft a ruckman in as a long term prospect. McKernan has been impressive and really helps us to cover the gap.

KPDs:

Strange right? The area we often think we have covered, we really don't. From a list perspective we are a fair way short of what we need to be carrying in key defensive stocks. Making the assumption that Carlisle is a forward (or leaves) we genuinely only have Hooker and Hurley, with Gwilt as coverage. We need to go to the draft and look to secure some talented key defensive prospect/s. Weitering anyone?

Inside Midfielders:

This is a funny one. We have a lot of players in the right age profile, but questions remain over the ability of these players (Merrett, Kavanagh, O'Brien). Due to the fact that we need to address our KPD and ruck deficiencies, I'd be inclined to be a little more patient here, give it another year and attempt to develop those players. If come the end of 2016 we still aren't confident, we can cut a little more deeply here.

 

[Jade]

Stanton + Dempsey should get us a half-decent pick, even if Dempsey's on a pittance. You'd think end-of-2nd maybe, and I don't think even a straight 2nd-rounder is too optimistic. So ~22 or ~37, before F/S etc.

I doubt we'll trade Stanton, being a FA.

 

[Whispering_Jack]

I doubt we'll trade Stanton, being a FA.

So is Dempsey though isn't he?

 

[Mercuri Rising]

I doubt we'll trade Stanton, being a FA.

I meant as an FA compensation pick for the two of them put together. Edited my post.

 

[Jade]

So is Dempsey though isn't he?

Sure is.

 

[Jade]

I meant as an FA compensation pick for the two of them put together. Edited my post.

Ahhhhh that makes more sense.

 

[Whispering_Jack]

Sure is.

Then he won't be offered for a trade as he can just choose where to go. We won't get any compensation for him either as I think he might even be delisted and thus a DFA..

 

[Jade]

One thing that struck me when running the numbers; list management is complex.

The primary driver, in my opinion, is the depth of the draft. It will dictate how many live picks you realistically want to take.

 

[Whispering_Jack]

One thing that struck me when running the numbers; list management is complex.

The primary driver, in my opinion, is the depth of the draft. It will dictate how many live picks you realistically want to take.

And isn't that iffy?

 

[Jade]

And isn't that iffy?

Everything I've heard (just the same reports everyone else has) says this draft isn't anything special. So really, I can't see us wanting more than three, maybe four live picks.

 

[Howard Moon]

Everything I've heard (just the same reports everyone else has) says this draft isn't anything special. So really, I can't see us wanting more than three, maybe four live picks.

that may be a case of keeping someone we know wont make it or punting on drafting someone who might?

 

[BrewSmackerVeiny]

EXPENDABLE!

For the sheer shock value of it, here are the players the club should consider as expendable:

Hocking

No

 

[BrunoV]

So what do we do? Let's start with the obvious deletions.

Chapman and Winderlich are gone, I think we all know this.

Whilst I'm happy to see the rest of the season play out, I would be fairly confident that Aylett and Steinberg will be delisted without trade offer. So that's immediately four changes to the list.

We've mismanaged ourselves to the point that Gwilt is not expendable at this stage.

 

[Yoda_]

Bad mismanagement is offering ok role players multiple year deals when the jury was still out.

Not selecting positional needs for the future has been an incredible trait Dodoro has managed to build into his repertoire.

Selecting far more "unique" picks has also taken its toll on the list.

As for the use of the rookie list. It's a shambles really. One project player (Long), and even that was almost forced upon us due to wanting him without spending much for him.
Who was the last young (18 year old selected) speculative rookie pick that has succeeded? Hocking?

If we want to succeed, it's time we had a serious crack, building a list capable of winning a flag and not one full of AFL capable players.

 

[hollywood23]

For the sake of clarity (and inevitable debate), I've attached the list and how I rated them.

Please note the highlights, this is where I've taken some personal liberties and re-assigned a players position as I see fit (ie. where I believe we should be looking to play them).

Watson as Class B...surely a typo considering you have Laverde/Langford/McKenna class B also??

I think the drafting has been abysmal for 5 years - barring Heppell/Z Merrett/Carlisle/Colyer. I'm not giving them Daniher becuase that was a gimme. Surely we need to turn the spotlight on the recruiting team and Dodoro for the shape of the list, especially U/23. Have more hope for Langford/Laverde though.

Outside of Daniher, who was the last pure KP player we drafted? Gregory? So many Half back flankers instead...

The last pure small forward we drafted was Alwyn Davey. Nick Kommer ain't pure.

Ruckman that have failed since TBC was drafted - Bock, Thurlow, Jenkins (traded - wouldn't he be handy now? oh no, but we gave him up to move up 10 spots in the draft)

Realistically, although we have had sanctions and other methods need to be looked at, how can Dodoro really justify picking up Cooney rather than bringing in another young player. I know pick 37 is a lottery, but the draft last year has proven there was depth and certainly players that would have filled a greater need than Cooney (I.e small forward options Jack Lonie and Caleb Daniel).

I'm going to follow Caro's wagon here and suggest we remove Dodoro and bring back Judkins!