Team Mgmt. Talk about the makeup of our list - midfield balance, height profile, endurance runners

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Would've thought all or 3 of Steiny, Aylett, Dempsey & Pears are as good as gone unfortunately.

As for NOB, Kav, Hams, Dalgleish & Browne, I think NOB is the only certainty to stay. I dunno where the club is at with the others, but I do hope they keep Browne. Dalgleish has made it very hard for himself.
 
Would've thought all or 3 of Steiny, Aylett, Dempsey & Pears are as good as gone unfortunately.

As for NOB, Kav, Hams, Dalgleish & Browne, I think NOB is the only certainty to stay. I dunno where the club is at with the others, but I do hope they keep Browne. Dalgleish has made it very hard for himself.
I'd keep Pears AND NOB for another year. Dempsey to Gold Coast as a FA.
 

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Kav was horseshit yesterday, choked at important times.

Still puts him towards the bottom of the delisting pecking order for me, even though Aylett proved last year that if you perform you will get cut, so god knows.

Lose the two jakes and the 3 retirees and that's 5, Hams has vanished into the nether regions of the soul so that's 6, Dalgliesh makes 7 right off the bat without even getting to the tough calls.

Dempsey and Pears probably go as well and there's 9, don't really like going much deeper than that.

Browne, Kav and O'Brien are the next rung, and given i've just reeled off 9 names before them I reckon 1 year deals for those 3 works well for both parties.
 
Missing shots from the boundary isn't choking, it's probability. He won ball in key areas and set us up well.
What about the shot directly in front with no pressure and the complete lack of pressure he showed in the contest.

The Kavanagh Circle jerk is real, just because he was a pick in the teens doesn't mean he is a star.
 
What about the shot directly in front with no pressure and the complete lack of pressure he showed in the contest.

The Kavanagh Circle jerk is real, just because he was a pick in the teens doesn't mean he is a star.

Players miss shots, hardly choking to poorly execute a skill that isn't one of your traits, he was running lines and pushing into space late when no one else was presenting.

Kav hasn't developed as we hoped and is rightfully in line to be delisted.
 

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Still puts him towards the bottom of the delisting pecking order for me, even though Aylett proved last year that if you perform you will get cut, so god knows.

Lose the two jakes and the 3 retirees and that's 5, Hams has vanished into the nether regions of the soul so that's 6, Dalgliesh makes 7 right off the bat without even getting to the tough calls.

Dempsey and Pears probably go as well and there's 9, don't really like going much deeper than that.

Browne, Kav and O'Brien are the next rung, and given i've just reeled off 9 names before them I reckon 1 year deals for those 3 works well for both parties.

Maybe I'm silly but I'd much rather give Dempsey a 1 year deal than any of Browne or Kavanagh.
 
9 changes for mine.

Carlisle
Melksham
Fletcher
Chapman
Winderlich
Pears
Steinberg
Hams
Dalgleish

Would have gone more but think it is not worth it yet. Follow this up next year with another huge cleanout.
 
Maybe I'm silly but I'd much rather give Dempsey a 1 year deal than any of Browne or Kavanagh.



Would you be saying the same thing if he wasn't constantly being gifted games to get to 100 (despite turning up to pre-season over weight and unfit)?

What I can't get past is that for all of his lack of defensive discipline, poor work rate and skill errors there could be 5 players who could have been given the opportunities that Dempsey has had and essentially not taken.

We have experienced players who seem to play for no reason other than they are senior. It's wonderfully self-fulfilling.
 
Question that I want to put out there.

Are Dodoro/Keane et al. the best people to have in the job and should/are we looking for a replacement(s)?

To be quite honest, I'm not sure I understand why people on here think Dodoro and co are meeting expectations. To me (admittedly I am a complete outsider with no inside knowledge whatsoever) he's been there for almost 20 years and our drafting/list management has been pretty appalling during that entire time.

People often refer to the Sheedy selections that killed us during the early 2000s, such as Zantuck, Avey, Murphey, M Michael, etc. But to me, these are a relatively small cost compared to the missed selections at the draft over the last 15-20 years. Even just going back to 2006 we have had Gumbleton, Hislop, Jetta, Pears, D Daniher, Melksham, Steinberg and Kavanagh as relatively early failed selections. Others are passes but still just average (Myers and Zaharakis). Our good picks such as Heppel and Z. Merret appear to be the exception rather than the norm.

Yes, it's not realistic to expect every early pick to make it, but a slightly higher hit rate isn't an unreasonable expectation considering how bad our team has been over the last decade, and some of the quality that has been selected after us by teams that have experienced success over that time.

I don't want this to be a bashing Dodoro post, as I fully accept he is doing the best he can with the team he has and with the resources they have. But is it time for new blood, like Carlton did with Silvagni?

Are the current group up to it? My view is that they are not.
 
Would you be saying the same thing if he wasn't constantly being gifted games to get to 100 (despite turning up to pre-season over weight and unfit)?

What I can't get past is that for all of his lack of defensive discipline, poor work rate and skill errors there could be 5 players who could have been given the opportunities that Dempsey has had and essentially not taken.

We have experienced players who seem to play for no reason other than they are senior. It's wonderfully self-fulfilling.

What your saying your saying may be true but at least a fully fit Dempsey has shown he can perform at a reasonable level at AFL.
 
Question that I want to put out there.

Are Dodoro/Keane et al. the best people to have in the job and should/are we looking for a replacement(s)?

To be quite honest, I'm not sure I understand why people on here think Dodoro and co are meeting expectations. To me (admittedly I am a complete outsider with no inside knowledge whatsoever) he's been there for almost 20 years and our drafting/list management has been pretty appalling during that entire time.

People often refer to the Sheedy selections that killed us during the early 2000s, such as Zantuck, Avey, Murphey, M Michael, etc. But to me, these are a relatively small cost compared to the missed selections at the draft over the last 15-20 years. Even just going back to 2006 we have had Gumbleton, Hislop, Jetta, Pears, D Daniher, Melksham, Steinberg and Kavanagh as relatively early failed selections. Others are passes but still just average (Myers and Zaharakis). Our good picks such as Heppel and Z. Merret appear to be the exception rather than the norm.

Yes, it's not realistic to expect every early pick to make it, but a slightly higher hit rate isn't an unreasonable expectation considering how bad our team has been over the last decade, and some of the quality that has been selected after us by teams that have experienced success over that time.

I don't want this to be a bashing Dodoro post, as I fully accept he is doing the best he can with the team he has and with the resources they have. But is it time for new blood, like Carlton did with Silvagni?

Are the current group up to it? My view is that they are not.

Over his tenure, I think Dodoro has been less than brilliant.

BUT having said that, his drafting for the two years of our sanctions has been stupidly good (Merrett, Fantasia, Langford, Laverde whilst locked out of the first and second rounds).

I'd be inclined to assess how he performs this offseason, which is going to be huge, and then make a decision ~May-ish next year as to his future.
 
Over his tenure, I think Dodoro has been less than brilliant.

BUT having said that, his drafting for the two years of our sanctions has been stupidly good (Merrett, Fantasia, Langford, Laverde whilst locked out of the first and second rounds).

I'd be inclined to assess how he performs this offseason, which is going to be huge, and then make a decision ~May-ish next year as to his future.

I agree with you that these selections are certainly promising and at least at this stage I am happy with them.

My only concern is that I remember almost a decade ago, we were all on here saying the exact same thing about Gumby, Hislop, Reimers, Jetta, Pears, et. al. I'm not saying that Laverde is going to end up like them, but it is probably too early to make a call either way on those drafts.

Agreed it is probably too late to do anything this year. I still would rework the recruiting staff irrespective of what happens over the summer - as you won't really be able to judge it accurately until about 3-4 years from now anyway.
 
Lateral list management idea thought up on the toilet #2:

Upgrade Jake Long to the senior list.
Even though he's probably still a way off seniors it accomplishes a number of things, it offers us a bit more flexibility with contracts (mandatory 2 year senior list contract vs 1 year rookie cut and run deal so we can adjust priorities again next year), he's a known quantity as opposed to a late round/psd crap shoot, he probably comes a lot cheaper than any potential cheapo free agent we could come across and obviously I reckon he can play a bit.
 
Lateral list management idea thought up on the toilet #2:

Upgrade Jake Long to the senior list.
Even though he's probably still a way off seniors it accomplishes a number of things, it offers us a bit more flexibility with contracts (mandatory 2 year senior list contract vs 1 year rookie cut and run deal so we can adjust priorities again next year), he's a known quantity as opposed to a late round/psd crap shoot, he probably comes a lot cheaper than any potential cheapo free agent we could come across and obviously I reckon he can play a bit.

Its definitely a good idea if we cut deep into the list.
 
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