NO TROLLS Taylor Walker racial slur

[Soggy2112]

It’s an important part of the whole story. We haven’t heard the whole story.
Of course it’s f*n relevant.

It’s not relevant in discussions around Tex and his punishment and reconciliation.

If you truly think Young said something heinous which he needs to answer for then pursue that but this is not the place, doing it here just seems like you’re trying to justify what Tex said.

Even if Young said something absolutely horrific, just call him a campaigner. Adding the racial slur takes it from being an insult to Young to an insult to the entire indigenous community which is the issue.

 

[subaru]

It’s an important part of the whole story. We haven’t heard the whole story.
Of course it’s f*n relevant.

it is absolutely part of the story

 

[subaru]

It’s not relevant in discussions around Tex and his punishment and reconciliation.

If you truly think Young said something heinous which he needs to answer for then pursue that but this is not the place, doing it here just seems like you’re trying to justify what Tex said.

Even if Young said something absolutely horrific, just call him a campaigner. Adding the racial slur takes it from being an insult to Young to an insult to the entire indigenous community which is the issue.

Hypothetically …
How about a misogynist statement that is an insult to 50% of the population?
People not wanting to know what prompted such an out of character response from Tex - and it is out of character - drafted in 2008 and this is ONE word out of line - are only hearing part of the whole story
To be quite clear -
Nobody is excusing what he said.
However, I know we ALL say things we do not mean when we are angry!

 

[Bam_Bam_Aus]

Hypothetically …
How about a misogynist statement that is an insult to 50% of the population?
People not wanting to know what prompted such an out of character response from Tex - and it is out of character - drafted in 2008 and this is ONE word out of line - are only hearing part of the whole story
To be quite clear -
Nobody is excusing what he said.
However, I know we ALL say things we do not mean when we are angry!

If you are not excusing what he said, why are you still banging on about wanting to know what Young may or may not have said? You're just coming across as an apologist for Tex. He doesn't need you to do it - he's already accepted responsibility and apologised. He owns it. Why is that difficult for you?

It’s an important part of the whole story. We haven’t heard the whole story.
Of course it’s f*n relevant.

Tex Walker's actions are the whole story. He's not been punished for anything other than his own actions, which he's admitted to and apologised for. Tex chose his words. Nobody forced him to speak using a racial slur.

 

[FR0GGY]

If what young said was that bad, I’m sure it would have been reported.
But I suggest it’s been made up by those looking to excuse tex.

 

[Bam_Bam_Aus]

subaru, don't PM me again. If you've got something to say, say it out here where everyone can see you.

 

[Vhaluus]

Oh dear.

what? do you disagree?

 

[Soggy2112]

Hypothetically …
How about a misogynist statement that is an insult to 50% of the population?
People not wanting to know what prompted such an out of character response from Tex - and it is out of character - drafted in 2008 and this is ONE word out of line - are only hearing part of the whole story
To be quite clear -
Nobody is excusing what he said.
However, I know we ALL say things we do not mean when we are angry!

If you genuinely have reason to believe that then I suggest you report it to the SANFL so they can follow up on it. I suspect though that you don’t think that.

However, the problem is that why, when Tex was so angry about something that he insulted someone that his instinct would be to resort to a racist slur? If that’s the case then he probably has some internal stuff that he needs to deal with before rejoining the club.

Hypothetically…

If Young said something and Tex stormed the field and whacked him, then it would be relevant what he said as there’s an argument that he was provoked by one person, and attacked one person.

However, and I can’t believe you still haven’t understood this, using a racist slur insulted and hurt the entire indigenous community. Put yourself in the shoes of a young indigenous Crows fan and imagine how it feels knowing one of your heroes said that about your people?

That’s why it’s not relevant when talking about Tex’s behaviour to discuss what Young said. All that would do would be attempting to lessen the severity of what he said and defend it.

To your last point, we all say and do things we regret when we’re angry, but we still have to face the consequences of those actions, if one of the consequences of what Tex said is that he can no longer exist in a team environment that is United and therefore the club needs to part ways then so be it. I really hope they can reconcile but my personal opinion is that that probably can’t be the case given everything that’s gone on.

 

[subaru]

If you genuinely have reason to believe that then I suggest you report it to the SANFL so they can follow up on it. I suspect though that you don’t think that.
However, the problem is that why, when Tex was so angry about something that he insulted someone that his instinct would be to resort to a racist slur? If that’s the case then he probably has some internal stuff that he needs to deal with before rejoining the club.

Hypothetically…

If Young said something and Tex stormed the field and whacked him, then it would be relevant what he said as there’s an argument that he was provoked by one person, and attacked one person.

However, and I can’t believe you still haven’t understood this, using a racist slur insulted and hurt the entire indigenous community. Put yourself in the shoes of a young indigenous Crows fan and imagine how it feels knowing one of your heroes said that about your people?

That’s why it’s not relevant when talking about Tex’s behaviour to discuss what Young said. All that would do would be attempting to lessen the severity of what he said and defend it.

To your last point, we all say and do things we regret when we’re angry, but we still have to face the consequences of those actions, if one of the consequences of what Tex said is that he can no longer exist in a team environment that is United and therefore the club needs to part ways then so be it. I really hope they can reconcile but my personal opinion is that that probably can’t be the case given everything that’s gone on.

So,
….staying in the hypothetical arena / do you think any report made by a non-indigenous player against an indigenous player would be dealt with as forensically as this report on Tex made by an indigenous official ?
Be honest …
We haven’t even been told (publicly anyway ) who the ex North Melbourne is who made a racist comment.

This is a response by Vic media and Tex haters that is out of proportion - in my opinion / to the offense - ESPECIALLY as he’s been fined, suspended and has apologized

And again - I am not being an apologist for Tex
But Ffs
He’s copped his whack
Do people really want his life destroyed ? As for the “team “ environment, I’d bet my life his team mates hate the sin, but love the sinner. Which is more humanity and care and concern than some on here can muster.

 

[Bam_Bam_Aus]

So,
….staying in the hypothetical arena / do you think any report made by a non-indigenous player against an indigenous player would be dealt with as forensically as this report on Tex made by an indigenous official ?
Be honest …
We haven’t even been told (publicly anyway ) who the ex North Melbourne is who made a racist comment.

This is a response by Vic media and Tex haters that is out of proportion - in my opinion / to the offense - ESPECIALLY as he’s been fined, suspended and has apologized

And again - I am not being an apologist for Tex
But Ffs
He’s copped his whack
Do people really want his life destroyed ? As for the “team “ environment, I’d bet my life his team mates hate the sin, but love the sinner. Which is more humanity and care and concern than some on here can muster.

Not hypothetically: what has any of that got to do with what Young said, which is what you were posting about? I think your post just reveals how inconsistent you are on this.

If you're arguing that there is a Victorian media bias that's one thing, but that's got zero to do with what Young has allegedly said.

I doubt anyone here 'wants Tex's life to be destroyed'.

 

[Soggy2112]

So,
….staying in the hypothetical arena / do you think any report made by a non-indigenous player against an indigenous player would be dealt with as forensically as this report on Tex made by an indigenous official ?
Be honest …

No, probably not. White people have not experienced the same injustice that indigenous people have and continue to suffer from so “reverse racism” is rightly not treated as being as serious. I’m not saying it’s right, but it’s not on the same level and I’d imagine that if a white player was called a “white campaigner” and they were hurt by it or someone listening reported it then a suspension would still occur.

This is a response by Vic media and Tex haters that is out of proportion - in my opinion / to the offense - ESPECIALLY as he’s been fined, suspended and has apologized

I agree, the hypocrisy of people sitting on panel shows either at the same network or sometimes the shame show as people like Carey and McGuire absolutely ripping into Tex is very high.

However, the majority of people on here aren’t doing that. We’re just trying to
A) stop the supporter base from defending racism simply because it’s Tex.
B) discussing whether Tex rejoining the group is the best thing for the club.

And again - I am not being an apologist for Tex
But Ffs
He’s copped his whack
Do people really want his life destroyed ? As for the “team “ environment, I’d bet my life his team mates hate the sin, but love the sinner. Which is more humanity and care and concern than some on here can muster.

I really hope that that is the case, I’d like nothing more to see that Tex has reconciled and made amends (that’s a process, one apology won’t do it) and that him and Milera are mates again and he can get back to winning games of football. I question whether that can be the case given the hurt that’s been caused.

Also, him not playing next season won’t destroy his life. There’s more things in the world than football and he was probably only going to play one more season anyway.
Blokes get delisted every year and no one is up in arms about how we’re destroying their life.

 

[subaru]

No, probably not. White people have not experienced the same injustice that indigenous people have and continue to suffer from so “reverse racism” is rightly not treated as being as serious. I’m not saying it’s right, but it’s not on the same level and I’d imagine that if a white player was called a “white campaigner” and they were hurt by it or someone listening reported it then a suspension would still occur.



I agree, the hypocrisy of people sitting on panel shows either at the same network or sometimes the shame show as people like Carey and McGuire absolutely ripping into Tex is very high.

However, the majority of people on here aren’t doing that. We’re just trying to
A) stop the supporter base from defending racism simply because it’s Tex.
B) discussing whether Tex rejoining the group is the best thing for the club.



I really hope that that is the case, I’d like nothing more to see that Tex has reconciled and made amends (that’s a process, one apology won’t do it) and that him and Milera are mates again and he can get back to winning games of football. I question whether that can be the case given the hurt that’s been caused.

Also, him not playing next season won’t destroy his life. There’s more things in the world than football and he was probably only going to play one more season anyway.
Blokes get delisted every year and no one is up in arms about how we’re destroying their life.

Are the injustices against women any less appalling ?
Leaving aside the black /white adjectives / are stereotypical adjectives and references any less hurtful to women ? Lost count the number of times on here alone my gender has been used as a negative.

ALL people are sensitive about certain things, and it doesn’t always relate to color.

Having Christian values is enough to draw the ire and ridicule of some on here.

I have not seen ONE SINGLE post on here that has “defended racism” - I’ve seen people defending Tex after his own admission he made a huge mistake.
The club signed Tex on for another year. He was not delisted, so that is a moot point.

More things in the world than football / well yes, a social life, a sport you love , your job, your career. So maybe it’s “just football” if you play Div 6 for Flinders Park
The AFC has been his life since 2008 - his friends, his wife’s friends …. Even his kids friends are all tied to it.
Yes - other players leave and manage - but surely , after all he’s done and the great service he’s given the club, he has credits in the bank

and again

I am not condoning what happened

I’m saying there were extenuating circumstances - not enough to justify the adjective by any means, but in the moment - of being angry, I can forgive to an extent Tex’s uncharacteristic response

 

[Soggy2112]

I’m saying there were extenuating circumstances - not enough to justify the adjective by any means, but in the moment - of being angry, I can forgive to an extent Tex’s uncharacteristic response

See that’s where I disagree, he was pissed off at Young, and lashed out by insulting and hurting an entire community.

Like I said, if he’d run on the field and punched him, or just yelled expletives at Young, or told Crouch to knock him out, then I’d agree that what Young did to provoke his response might have been relevant.



And I am not for one second suggesting that injustices against women do not exist or are not on the same level. If you truly think that’s what Young said then please, follow that up, but so far the only people I’ve seen suggest that are those seeking to justify or lesson the severity Tex’s response, not those who seem genuinely concerned with misogyny so I’m inclined not to believe it.

 

[subaru]

See that’s where I disagree, he was pissed off at Young, and lashed out by insulting and hurting an entire community.

Like I said, if he’d run on the field and punched him, or just yelled expletives at Young, or told Crouch to knock him out, then I’d agree that what Young did to provoke his response might have been relevant.



And I am not for one second suggesting that injustices against women do not exist or are not on the same level. If you truly think that’s what Young said then please, follow that up, but so far the only people I’ve seen suggest that are those seeking to justify or lesson the severity Tex’s response, not those who seem genuinely concerned with misogyny so I’m inclined not to believe it.

So you would condone physical violence in the wake of a verbal assault.

Mmm
I think I’ll agree to disagree

 

[MarcusP2]

So you would condone physical violence in the wake of a verbal assault.

Mmm
I think I’ll agree to disagree

Where did he say he condoned it?

 

[subaru]

Where did he say he condoned it?

“Like I said, if he’d run on the field and punched him, or just yelled expletives at Young, or told Crouch to knock him out, then I’d agree that what Young did to provoke his response might have been relevant.”

My take on this is punching Young is equivalent to yelling expletives or telling Crouch to knock him out are all alternatives and therefore acceptable in the context of the para

 

[Bam_Bam_Aus]

So you would condone physical violence in the wake of a verbal assault.

Mmm
I think I’ll agree to disagree

Again, it would help if you read what people have actually written instead of continually posting strawman fallacies.

then I’d agree that what Young did to provoke his response might have been relevant.

There was no suggestion at all that physical violence is condoned. You've conflated what was written with your emotions.

 

[hidden]

Guys, isn't it time to move forward. Tex has done the crime, now doing the time. Whether he plays again for us is up to the club, it's players and staff, and Tex himself. WE are only adding to the problem. Let's just learn to love and respect each other and move forward. The draft will be here in no time and 2022 also. Let's move on

 

[Soggy2112]

“Like I said, if he’d run on the field and punched him, or just yelled expletives at Young, or told Crouch to knock him out, then I’d agree that what Young did to provoke his response might have been relevant.”

My take on this is punching Young is equivalent to yelling expletives or telling Crouch to knock him out are all alternatives and therefore acceptable in the context of the para

**** off that’s a stretch and a half, I said that in that scenario talking about what Young did is relevant because it would have been between Walker and Young. Instead, racial abuse drags a whole community which is innocent into it, at which point what Young said is not relevant in relation to Tex’s punishment, forgiveness, reconciliation etc. but you keep suggesting that it is.

I never once suggested that violence and verbal abuse are on the same level and you know it.

 

[subaru]

fu** off that’s a stretch and a half, I said that in that scenario talking about what Young did is relevant because it would have been between Walker and Young. Instead, racial abuse drags a whole community which is innocent into it, at which point what Young said is not relevant in relation to Tex’s punishment, forgiveness, reconciliation etc. but you keep suggesting that it is.

I never once suggested that violence and verbal abuse are on the same level and you know it.

Then you may want to choose you examples and analogies more carefully

And , in all honesty , it’s no more a fu***** stretch than calling Tex a racist for uttering one single adjective in an expletive
Adios

I’m out
Ive made my point and I choose forgiveness and tolerance for EVERYONE - including those that offend once in 13 years

I’ll leave you perfect people to talk about your perfectness among yourselves now

 

[Soggy2112]

Then you may want to choose you examples and analogies more carefully

And , in all honesty , it’s no more a fu***** stretch than calling Tex a racist for uttering one single adjective in an expletive
Adios

I’m out
Ive made my point and I choose forgiveness and tolerance for EVERYONE - including those that offend once in 13 years

I’ll leave you perfect people to talk about your perfectness among yourselves now

What was your point?

For the record, I do think he can be forgiven, but given that this was a substantial mistake from a person who definitely should have known better he needs to earn that forgiveness, and frankly, as a non-indigenous supporter it’s not really my place to forgive him. Like I said, I’d love to see him back and the team harmonious but given everything that’s gone on I’m not sure that can happen.

My comments were addressing yours and some others persistent need to know what Young said to understand the “full story” and had nothing to do with whether or not Tex can be forgiven so get off your high horse.

 

[Mutineer]

Guys, isn't it time to move forward. Tex has done the crime, now doing the time. Whether he plays again for us is up to the club, it's players and staff, and Tex himself. WE are only adding to the problem. Let's just learn to love and respect each other and move forward. The draft will be here in no time and 2022 also. Let's move on

Hear hear

 

[Bam_Bam_Aus]

Adios

I’m out
Ive made my point and I choose forgiveness and tolerance for EVERYONE - including those that offend once in 13 years

I’ll leave you perfect people to talk about your perfectness among yourselves now

 

[beartoo]

The division on this board about Tex may well mirror divisions in our playing group and staff. This is the worry I have with Tex playing next year.

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[skam85]

I’m out

thank goodness