Team of the Century Gaffe

[speedybundy]

Geez, you're an idiot? Lake has been one of the best full backs of the past 10 years. I thought the same long before he came to Hawthorn. I've never seen a player make Buddy Franklin look so useless and impotent. Lonergan always got praised for grabbing onto Buddy while Harry Taylor jumped into him and holding him to 2-3 goals, whereas Lake stood Buddy all on his own inside fifty and outmarked him repeatedly and virtually kept him kickless. He had Franklin grovelling by the end of the game on a few occasions.

• Best & Fairest 2007
• All-Australian 2009
• All-Australian 2010
• Norm Smith 2013

How many defenders have that on their CV?

Lake has his concentration lapses - he produces the odd shocker here and there, but he is a dominant defender when he's on song. Didn't he prove that last season? Were you watching, or do you have you head up your Geelong arse all the time?

Lonergan always grabbing buddy? Please, shut him down during the time when shutting down on a player bigger/stronger than you was near impossible. As for Lake if he produced his 2010 form for his entire career he might get a mention, but is not worthy of discussion in the 'great full backs'.

Who did Scarlett stand? Let's be honest, its not like he faced any of the all time great full forwards in his time.

And while were on Scarlett comments like this really annoy me and show you either didn't watch much of him/have short term memory. Feel free to come accusing me off being biased, one eyed whatever but Scarlett was taking the Full forward on a more or less week in/week out basis up until at least 2008, where occasionally Taylor would take the role it wasn't until 2009 that Taylor became the go to in this regard. Egan would do it on an irregular basis through 2007.

Back on topic, ripper tweet from Patrick Keane the other day. Unable to copy the picture but basically a grab from the press release clearly explaining eligibility rules. Not quite the bombshell robbo thought it was I don't think...

 

[The Blue Baggers]

silvagni was better than dench & southby

and the two members of the selection committee that saw regan play both rated silvagni higher

the best player was chosen

 

[Trav 20]

Then why did Carlton themselves select SOS at FB, but not Southby?

Would Carlton not have severely embarrassed Silvagni if they didn't choose him at FB in their own TOC given he'd been selected in the AFL TOC ?

I suspect there was little wriggle room.

 

[Trav 20]

silvagni was better than dench & southby

and the two members of the selection committee that saw regan play both rated silvagni higher

the best player was chosen

One could argue he was better than Southby, although I prefer the latter, but Dench is the best FB I've seen. He had it all; pace, brilliant reading of the play, negating skills and was ahead of his time with the way he took the game on with long dashes when launching attacks.

Silvagni has better morals though.

 

[McOrist]

One could argue he was better than Southby, although I prefer the latter, but Dench is the best FB I've seen. He had it all; pace, brilliant reading of the play, negating skills and was ahead of his time with the way he took the game on with long dashes when launching attacks.

Silvagni has better morals though.

...did Dench or Southby also accept payment outside of the salary cap. Must have missed that.

 

[McOrist]

silvagni was better than dench & southby

and the two members of the selection committee that saw regan play both rated silvagni higher

the best player was chosen

...you mean the one bloke that was a teenager when Regan was playing and the one the saw him a max of two times a season as he was playing at the same time?

 

[BillysPocket]

You know sometimes its better to shut your mouth and let things go. By printing this article not only has it disrespected SOS but now the whole TOC. I wonder how SOS feels.

 

[Trav 20]

...did Dench also accept payment outside of the salary cap. Must have missed that.

I suspect he would have if he could have

 

[McOrist]

silvagni was better than dench & southby

and the two members of the selection committee that saw regan play both rated silvagni higher

the best player was chosen

I think I rate this bloke's opinion a bit higher than the two members of the selection committee.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/22446105

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Let me know when Scarlett could dominate a game up forward, or play on someone like Lockett or Dunstall and ream them time and time again.

Most people who say Scarlett was better probably didn't watch any football pre 2002. Remember, this was at a time where there was more emphasis on one on one - FBs like SOS didn't get the full benefit of rolling zones, or the constant chopouts that we see today. Isolate Scarlett one on one with someone like Lockett and Carey, and tell me what would happen.

Scarlett didn't have to go forward and dominate because the position we're talking about is fullback, not the swingman position. We'll never know about Lockett or Dunstall, he just beat whoever his contemporaries were.

Wasn't Silvagni just an inconsistent forward who became a fullback?

 

[sleep]

Geez, you're an idiot? Lake has been one of the best full backs of the past 10 years. I thought the same long before he came to Hawthorn. I've never seen a player make Buddy Franklin look so useless and impotent. Lonergan always got praised for grabbing onto Buddy while Harry Taylor jumped into him and holding him to 2-3 goals, whereas Lake stood Buddy all on his own inside fifty and outmarked him repeatedly and virtually kept him kickless. He had Franklin grovelling by the end of the game on a few occasions.

• Best & Fairest 2007
• All-Australian 2009
• All-Australian 2010
• Norm Smith 2013

How many defenders have that on their CV?

Lake has his concentration lapses - he produces the odd shocker here and there, but he is a dominant defender when he's on song. Didn't he prove that last season? Were you watching, or do you have you head up your Geelong arse all the time?

About 4-5 fullbacks in any given era will have that type of CV, thus that CV would put about 40 or so FB's in the Greatest full back conversations. (Glass Rutten, Fletch, Lake, Scarlo)

Were talking about the cream of the crop dude, and Lake although great is a rung down.

Again you sullied your post with all GFC hate. Lonergans a grabber blah blah, again, try to open the other eye to add credibility.

 

[mickelboy182]

It's OK to think some players are better than others, but the way some of you are talking about SOS.... Basically trying to make out that he was just a scragger/battler in order to get your point across, give the guy a bit of credit. He was an out and out champion.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

The question of whether Southby was better than Silvagni was answered by the Blues themselves when they selected Silvagni at full back in their own team of the century.

Silvagni - like other great backmen of his era - Langford, Pert, Frawley, Martyn, Jakovich - had to centend with genuine big forwards who lived and breathed goals and the inside 50m zone - Lockett/Lowe, Dunstall, Ablett, Carey/Longmire, Salmon, Kernahan, Sumich. Where being 196cm and built like a brick outhouse was mandoatory. Every era had great foirwards, but I think the late 80s and early to mid 90s delivered them in spades not seen before or since.

The difference between Silvagni and the other backs of his era for mine, is that he could go forward and kick goals - several times more than 5 in a game. He had longevity that the others didnt as well - and even after he retired was considering returning to play for free for the Blues to help after the 2002 shemozzle.

Lockett 191 cm
Loewe 194 cm
Carey 192 cm
Longmire 194 cm
Dunstall 188 cm
Ablett 185 cm
Kernahan 196 cm
Sumich 190 cm
Modra 188 cm

Silvagni 194 cm

For the purpose of the exercise I won't include Salmon, he was a ruckman by that stage of his career.

Plenty of 196 cm+ players in that group that you've listed.

There was a pretty handy group of forwards running around in the late 60s early 70s too.

Silvagni kicking goals, again, is irrelevant to the argument. We're talking about fullback, nothing else.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

What year did Silvagni become permanent fullback?

 

[Monkey King]

Everyone knew Silvagni was the wrong choice. Wasn't even better than Langford

LOL. I was waiting for a Hawk nuff to post this bullshit catch-cry ... first page, well done. Even Dermie can now admit SOS was better than Langford.

As for FBoC, I saw Dench, I saw Southby, and I'd take SOS every time to shut down the big boys at either FB or CHB. SOS played on and had the better of some of the greatest forwards I've ever seen in Dunstall, Lockett, Hird, Ablett Snr and Carey. Not just a great FB, but a champion footballer.

 

[The Blue Baggers]

...you mean the one bloke that was a teenager when Regan was playing and the one the saw him a max of two times a season as he was playing at the same time?

sometimes I wish a magpie was picked to stop all this whinging about the team

no doubt about ... the magpie supporters have latched onto this one comment and run with it

 

[Monkey King]

What year did Silvagni become permanent fullback?

I'm not sure he ever became "permanent" fullback. When we played North for example, he'd head out to CHB and take Carey for example. In the early part of Hird's career, he'd do the same with Jimmy. And when he'd restrict them and they'd head into the middle to try and have some impact, SOS would follow them in there too. On occasion he'd drift forward as well. He spent his most time at FB probably between 94-96.

 

[The Blue Baggers]

One could argue he was better than Southby, although I prefer the latter, but Dench is the best FB I've seen. He had it all; pace, brilliant reading of the play, negating skills and was ahead of his time with the way he took the game on with long dashes when launching attacks.

Silvagni has better morals though.

of course you do .... north melbourne is alot more neutral than carlton ... i saw both and silvagni had dench covered with interest

 

[The Blue Baggers]

I'm not sure he ever became "permanent" fullback. When we played North for example, he'd head out to CHB and take Carey for example. In the early part of Hird's career, he'd do the same with Jimmy. And when he'd restrict them and they'd head into the middle to try and have some impact, SOS would follow them in there too. On occasion he'd drift forward as well. He spent his most time at FB probably between 94-96.

and clean them both up ... silvagni's record against carey was a straight sets victory !!!!!!!!!!!!!

there was no rivalry cause sos was too good !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Monkey King]

It's OK to think some players are better than others, but the way some of you are talking about SOS.... Basically trying to make out that he was just a scragger/battler in order to get your point across, give the guy a bit of credit. He was an out and out champion.

Yes. It's become the most overstated fact in football past I think. Of course, yes, he'd go out to CHB and beat Carey in prime time and again because he held his jumper Seriously the lack of insight from some on this forum is a big detraction.

 

[Trav 20]

of course you do .... north melbourne is alot more neutral than carlton ... i saw both and silvagni had dench covered with interest

So you're insinuating I have bias in my choice ?

What a drop kick you are.

 

[Monkey King]

I'll see if I can dig up a post, but I recall someone here from many years ago mentioning that he had quite a few bags kicked against him in important finals matches.

Twas me perhaps?

Soapy Vallence 11 goals twice (both in finals)
http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php?page=Semi Final, 1931
http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php?page=Preliminary Final, 1932

Bob Pratt 10 goals
http://www.australianrules.com.au/2005stories/top10rival.html

George Margitich 10 goals
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=49304

Jack Moriarty 10 goals
http://www.afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/5085/Default.aspx?newsId=23734

 

[McOrist]

sometimes I wish a magpie was picked to stop all this whinging about the team

no doubt about ... the magpie supporters have latched onto this one comment and run with it

...with good reason!

To take the conspiracy theory a step further, back in those days (1930's and 40's) there were strong sectarian divides in Melbourne. Regan and the two TotC selectors were on opposite sides of the fence. Just sayin'.

 

[McOrist]

Twas me perhaps?

...would be more believable if your links actually worked.

 

[Monkey King]

...would be more believable if your links actually worked.

It's a 7+ year old post. Links worked fine at the time. You could always go do your own research I suppose.