BigFooty Official The 2013 BigFooty Phantom Draft

[Thurlow2Mackie]

so we have had

24 - Templeton
25 - Battersby
26 - Garlett
27 - Merrett
28 - Robertson.

As much as their are some names in their I like, there is nothing making me go far out I wish we had extra picks in the 20's

Just picked the 2007 draft randomly, but this is what the 20s looked like back then and probably representative of most drafts:

20 Tony Notte Swan Districts WAFL West Coast
21 Addam Maric Calder Cannons TAC Cup Melbourne
22 Scott Selwood Bendigo Pioneers TAC Cup West Coast
23 Tayte Pears East Perth WAFL Essendon
24 Clayton Hinkley North Ballarat Rebels TAC Cup Fremantle
25 Tom Collier Tassie Mariners TAC Cup Brisbane Lions
26 Brett Meredith Northern Knights TAC Cup Sydney
27 Andy Otten Oakleigh Chargers TAC Cup Adelaide
28 Marlon Motlop Wanderers NTFL Port Adelaide
29 Brendan Whitecross Zillmere QAFL Hawthorn

There will be some successes, lots of failures, by the time you get to 20+. This year is no different.

 

[Snoop Dog]

# 29 GWS - billy Hartung

Just rapped to get him here. I rate this kid. Speed, endurance, skill all In one. Detailed write up to come.

I am staggered 3 blokes are still on this board and have taken Billy bc he is best available.

 

[Chris25]

Some good picks today. I particularly like both Battersby and Robertson, you've got a nice little mix going so far Quigley. Intrigued to see who the last two will be.

Still some decent players on the board too, I've got four players that I consider genuine first round chances. Which no doubt means they'll be the next four picked, leaving me scrambling...

 

[Flawed Genius]

Gotta be Kennedy-Harris at 30. Surely.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Shattered that Hartung went would have loved him to slip to the roos.

However I still can't say this next players name quick enough.

Pick 30 North Melbourne - Jay Kennedy-Harris
Height: 173cm Weight: 68kg DOB: 21/3/95

Club: Oakleigh Chargers

If there is one word to describe KH it has to be gifted, not athletically gifted, not physically gifted but gifted in the way he is so natural on the football field. He has an innate game sense that makes it look like time stands still when the footy is in his hands. I think it's the combination of a number of elite attributes he has. His Vision in traffic and under pressure his excellent but to match that he makes good decisions and has the skills to makes high risk move look easy. He had a very solid champs and highlighted that he is not a one dimensional forward but he is also an accomplished midfielder who can have an impact up the ground. KH is an excellent example of a two way runner, when the ball isn't in his hand he busts his ass to make sure pressuring and tackling with intent. I feel he is definitely best available at 30, but he also suits the roos needs. We don't have many natural crumbing forwards who apply the sort of pressure he does, the fact he can have an impact around the ground when in the midfield makes this pick even more appealing.

Strengths:

- Evasiveness: very rarely gets tackled, has a subtle yet very effective sidestep which cons the opposition. Very fluent in his movement and backs himself to get around the opposition.

- Work-rate: he won't run the highest beep or do the best 3k'er but young know that this kid will give you his all on the field. Works hard with leading and getting to the right positions when playing as a forward, and runs hard to create space when playing as a mid. Applies ridiculous amounts of pressure when the ball is with the opposition and best of all his tackles stick.

- Skills/Clean Hands/Vision: a combination of all three Make him dangerous forward of centre and around goals.

-Level headed: A quiet achiever, who is dedicated to achieving his dreams. A number of clubs were super impressed with his leadership qualities and knowledge of the game.

Weaknesses

- Height/Weight: the biggest knock, may find the transition to afl hard but like Neade I feel he will be fine.

- Inside ability: Not an active inside ball winner, but when he needs to go in and get it he has potential too.

- Overhead marking against bigger opponents: This will most likely be his biggest issue at AFL level.

 

[Monocle]

You bastard .


Kennedy -Harris

Had him on my list for 32.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

You bastard .


Kennedy -Harris

Had him on my list for 32.

I was thinking the same thing when Snoop took Hartung on me!!

 

[Balony_pony16]

so we have had

24 - Templeton
25 - Battersby
26 - Garlett
27 - Merrett
28 - Robertson.

As much as their are some names in their I like, there is nothing making me go far out I wish we had extra picks in the 20's

You will when Polec flunks it!!!!! (jokes).... I see what you mean, but the more you look at some of these guys and others still to come you can see some real value in a few players. I expect the 2nd round to produce some real surprise packets...but hey Im a lions supporter so I have to be SUPER hopeful

 

[Yoda_]

Nice Battersby pick there. I agree with pretty much all of what you said. But, it means Yoda will be getting his first choice for Essendon...

Pick 26 Essendon - Dayle Garlett

Nice Yoda_ he would have been gone in 3 selections.

Is basically the exact type of player that we are after at the Bombers. A sneaky half forward who, in time, can push into the midfield mix and produce the goods.

Questions marks are there, what draftee doesnt have them? His are more well documented that in time, and in a professional enviroment in a new state will be removed from his system.

We have an exceptional development system that since the Sheedy era we have picked more winners than losers in the draft lottery. Garlett could be no exception.

Pick 26 - Essendon
Dayle Garlett (Swan Districts, 181cm, 75kg, 19, half forward/midfield)

At pick 26 we really will be selecting 'best available' and that is well documented party boy Dayle Garlett. People may argue that we are not in a position to select 'bad boys' but remove the ASADA negativity and we actually have a pretty bloody good list that will enable to take the risk on Dayle.

Smart, clever forward who was overlooked by the Bombers after training with them in the lead up to the rookie draft, he took it hard but then moved on and went back to the WAFL and played a full season with Swan Districts and did really, really well as a 19 year old. Kicked 48 goals playing predominantly forward but it was his ability to find space and bring his team mates into the game was what has set him apart from the 2012 version.

The skiled left footer would be in a group of 18 - 22 year olds vying for a small handful of positions in the senior line up and force him to push himself further than what he ever has before.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Really enjoying this so far guys. Great discussion, really good write-ups and some very well thought out non-obvious picks.

 

[Buddy Guy]

Comfortably the most interesting, and divided BF phantom ever.
The discussion is sensational, I am hanging on every pick.

BF Phantom, the original and the best, accept no imitations.

 

[Chris25]

Am I alone in not rating Jay Kennedy-Harris? I'd struggle picking him inside the top 50 - there are two similar players who I rate much, much higher. I think he'll be limited at the next level due to his size, more so than others as I question his natural instincts as a small forward and a permanent midfield role is asking a bit much. No doubting his skills and he plays stronger than his size would suggest, but I just have some doubts.

 

[Quigley]

Garlett, Merrett, Robertson, Hartung, Kennedy-Harris.

Pick the odd one out.

This is the range where there is supposed to be going to be a big run on talls. On BF we are going the opposite and its land of the short people atm.

 

[Quigley]

Am I alone in not rating Jay Kennedy-Harris? I'd struggle picking him inside the top 50 - there are two similar players who I rate much, much higher. I think he'll be limited at the next level due to his size, more so than others as I question his natural instincts as a small forward and a permanent midfield role is asking a bit much. No doubting his skills and he plays stronger than his size would suggest, but I just have some doubts.

Yeah I probably rate Heavyside higher than him as well

Don't hate Kennedy-Harris but do think he is going to be up against it. Quality kid though and I think that does help him get a chance.

 

[irel]

Sheed, McCarthy, Battersby, Robertson - Nice going Quigs.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Am I alone in not rating Jay Kennedy-Harris? I'd struggle picking him inside the top 50 - there are two similar players who I rate much, much higher. I think he'll be limited at the next level due to his size, more so than others as I question his natural instincts as a small forward and a permanent midfield role is asking a bit much. No doubting his skills and he plays stronger than his size would suggest, but I just have some doubts.

K-H is one I'm in two minds about. As you alluded to, it's all about whether he has a future in the midfield at AFL level, for me. He isn't enough of a 'top level opportunist' like you need to be to make it as a pure small forward; I just don't think he's got enough to make that kind of role his own. He could, however, have an impact in the midfield if he ever gets there - but I'm not yet convinced. Well down on my preference list.

 

[LemmingMaster]

Sheed, McCarthy, Battersby, Robertson - Nice going Quigs.

Typical bias towards non Victorians from Quigs, he hates those Southern lads.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Am I alone in not rating Jay Kennedy-Harris? I'd struggle picking him inside the top 50 - there are two similar players who I rate much, much higher. I think he'll be limited at the next level due to his size, more so than others as I question his natural instincts as a small forward and a permanent midfield role is asking a bit much. No doubting his skills and he plays stronger than his size would suggest, but I just have some doubts.

We seem to be very much on the same page.

JKH isn't in my top 60 - don't think he's able to play as a small forward at the next level - he's far and away more dangerous as a permanent midfielder - but I don't think he quite makes the grade as a midfielder at the next level. If I'm drafting a midfielder there's lots I look at before him, and ditto small forwards.

Size, over-reliance on the cheap handball receive (think Taylor and Hartung) and a lack of serious hurt factor by foot are what makes me really worry about him.

 

[Quigley]

Typical bias towards non Victorians from Quigs, he hates those Southern lads.

Nah its just that everyone else hates you West Australians and I am the only one willing to give a home to the poor wretches from the West.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Just picked the 2007 draft randomly, but this is what the 20s looked like back then and probably representative of most drafts:

20 Tony Notte Swan Districts WAFL West Coast
21 Addam Maric Calder Cannons TAC Cup Melbourne
22 Scott Selwood Bendigo Pioneers TAC Cup West Coast
23 Tayte Pears East Perth WAFL Essendon
24 Clayton Hinkley North Ballarat Rebels TAC Cup Fremantle
25 Tom Collier Tassie Mariners TAC Cup Brisbane Lions
26 Brett Meredith Northern Knights TAC Cup Sydney
27 Andy Otten Oakleigh Chargers TAC Cup Adelaide
28 Marlon Motlop Wanderers NTFL Port Adelaide
29 Brendan Whitecross Zillmere QAFL Hawthorn

There will be some successes, lots of failures, by the time you get to 20+. This year is no different.

Can't say I agree with that approach.

You've picked a random draft and said that lots of drafts are similar without actually finding any evidence to back it up.

Here's the 20's in 2009:

2 20 Nathan Fyfe Claremont WAFL Fremantle
2 21 Ryan Bastinac Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup North Melbourne
2 22 Gerrick Weedon Claremont WAFL West Coast
2 23 Koby Stevens Gippsland Power TAC Cup West Coast
2 24 Jake Carlisle Calder Cannons TAC Cup Essendon
2 25 Aaron Black Peel WAFL North Melbourne
2 26 Travis Colyer Claremont WAFL Essendon
2 27 Callum Bartlett Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Brisbane Lions
2 28 Mitch Duncan East Perth WAFL Geelong
2 29 Jack Gunston Sandringham Dragons TAC Cup Adelaide

7/10 are hits (some huge hits), with only 2 (Weedon and Stevens) you'd class as genuine misses.

Let's look at 2008 - I'd argue that 7/10 are hits, and there's the odd superstar there.

2 20 Tom Swift Claremont WAFL West Coast
2 21 Hayden Ballantyne Peel Thunder WAFL Fremantle
2 22 Jackson Trengove Calder Cannons TAC Cup Port Adelaide
2 23 David Zaharakis Northern Knights TAC Cup Essendon
2 24 Nic Suban North Ballarat Rebels TAC Cup Fremantle
2 25 Jack Redden Glenelg SANFL Brisbane Lions
2 26 Jayden Post Western Jets TAC Cup Richmond
2 27 Sam Wright Murray Bushrangers TAC Cup North Melbourne
2 28 Shaun McKernan Calder Cannons TAC Cup Adelaide
2 29 Dayne Beams Southport QAFL Collingwood

I'd say that all that it proves is that some drafts are shallower than others. 2013 drops off very quickly. There's not many Fyfe's/Beams'/Redden's/Duncan's/Carlislie's lurking in the 20s this year. To say that every draft drops off considerably in the 20's because 2007 did it is plain wrong.

 

[Offsider]

Am I alone in not rating Jay Kennedy-Harris? I'd struggle picking him inside the top 50 - there are two similar players who I rate much, much higher. I think he'll be limited at the next level due to his size, more so than others as I question his natural instincts as a small forward and a permanent midfield role is asking a bit much. No doubting his skills and he plays stronger than his size would suggest, but I just have some doubts.

Could not agree more with you on him. He isn't a small forward at the moment, but is probably just to small to be a mid and he is more likely to play as an outside type imo. I think he is a third round type and will take a lot of development to get his game to develop and change for a new role at AFL level. Still there is some talent there and a fair bit to work with.

There seems to be a consensus with this line of thinking on here.

 

[Offsider]

Garlett, Merrett, Robertson, Hartung, Kennedy-Harris.

Pick the odd one out.

This is the range where there is supposed to be going to be a big run on talls. On BF we are going the opposite and its land of the short people atm.

That's because the talls are crap this year outside of McCarthy and Boyd as key forwards and Giles as a key defender (with Gardiner being a third tall imo) there is no one worth drafting this high in my opinion. A few have some talent like McStay, he could be a solid KPD or Hourigan could be a decent third tall (unlikely though imo). Otherwise a prospect like Tom Cutler could be popular as although he is short for a key defender at 190cm he is capable of playing as a running third tall defender with his athleticism. The mids imo are much more likely to make it at AFL level.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

That's because the talls are crap this year outside of McCarthy and Boyd as key forwards and Giles as a key defender (with Gardiner being a third tall imo) there is no one worth drafting this high in my opinion. A few have some talent like McStay, he could be a solid KPD or Hourigan could be a decent third tall (unlikely though imo). Otherwise a prospect like Tom Cutler could be popular as although he is short for a key defender at 190cm he is capable of playing as a running third tall defender with his athleticism. The mids imo are much more likely to make it at AFL level.

I have McCarthy, Boyd and Giles high - Gardiner, McStay, Hourigan and Harvey somewhere in the middle and could have my arm twisted into taking any of Brown, Apeness, Fort, Tickner, Thorp and King either very late or in the rookie draft.

Very interested to see which of those guys fall and where.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

That's because the talls are crap this year outside of McCarthy and Boyd as key forwards and Giles as a key defender (with Gardiner being a third tall imo) there is no one worth drafting this high in my opinion. A few have some talent like McStay, he could be a solid KPD or Hourigan could be a decent third tall (unlikely though imo). Otherwise a prospect like Tom Cutler could be popular as although he is short for a key defender at 190cm he is capable of playing as a running third tall defender with his athleticism. The mids imo are much more likely to make it at AFL level.

It makes an interesting conundrum for a team like the Bulldogs - crying out for some tall timber up forward (after Campbell goes into the ruck following Wilbur's retirement), but in a bad KPP draft, do we use a later pick on one of the above, or do we risk waiting and missing out on all of the top KPPs next year as well?

FWIW I plan on taking a tall with one of my later picks - however I'm not going to stretch at somebody just for the sake of taking a tall.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I knew KH wasn't in many of your top 40's but as I alluded to in my description I feel that he has too many attributes that can be passed over. I understand the doubts and the very solid reasoning behind it, but I tend to focus on the positives. I feel he is well placed to have an impact as a small forward because crumbing and timing come naturally to him, that matched up with his defensive work rate suggests to me he'll be able to find a home early on. I feel he is ahead of Jake Neade at the same age and his creativity and smarts will allow him to get his hands on the footy more often.

Obviously there are queries on his height, but it's really the only knock on him in my eyes, every other part of his game has the potential to be developed. He has the frame to be able to add a fair amount of bulk so that shouldn't put off any clubs either.