Resource The 2016 AFL Crowds and Ratings Thread

[telsor]

It's generally cracked 50k+ the last couple of years, it's a replacement game for Melbourne members and even with the Essendon fall it's still their first game in Melbourne for the year.

and Essendon has been promoting it for a while now with the history/unity stuff (and unofficially it's been building as a F U over the whole drugs saga). That'll probably get a few more in. 60 might be pushing it, but I'd say 50 should be very doable (assuming decent weather).

I really doubt Coll v Rich would draw 80 as well...Both teams efforts last round wouldn't have inspired fans to make an effort to get in, and anything over 70-75K always requires things to be going pretty well, especially with the need to get enough neutrals to fill the MCC/AFL reserves.

 

[Port182]

MCC predicting 65,000 for Pies/Tigers and 48k for Dons/Dees

 

[manicmagpie]

Have the big 4 , Coll, Car. Rich, Ess always been the biggest teams or at some point have they become part of that group by replacing another team, i can remember a fair way back and to my memory they have always been the big 4.

On last years crowds thread a Pie fan ( Manic Magpie I think ) posted some really great research on all time attendances. Well worth retrieving these and great thanks to him for posting them. I hope I'm crediting the right poster.

Essentially his stats show that yes the Big 4 has been in existence for many decades. Other clubs - notably Melbourne and South Melbourne - have come and gone but the 4 totally dominate the historical record for attendances.

That would have been me, I have posted a lot of eye wateringly tedious interesting and informative stats and graphs on this subject. I think you're referring to this table, which highlights when each club finished in the top 4 for crowds.



Basically it's as gaelictiogar called it, only those teams now called the Big 4 have had sustained success in terms of crowd numbers. The last 60 years is dominated by Collingwood, who virtually never fall below 2nd, with 2 distinct periods of domination by Essendon (90s) and Richmond (70s), with Carlton usually always thereabouts, although increasingly less likely to top the list.

In the first 30 years of recorded stats, Carlton were the most dominant, with Richmond on top during the war years and Collingwood usually around 2nd or 3rd but rarely top. Melbourne dominated the crowds as much as they did the ladder during the 50s and early 60s but as they were nowhere near the top before or since it's difficult to think of them as being part of a Big 4. South Melb also had some success early on but quickly fell away.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Very solid crowds for all games in round 1

 

[welshm69]

To me match day attendances are more important than membership numbers by like 10 fold in terms of how "big" a club is. Memberships are becoming so pathetic and cheap and the numbers are often fudged. I honestly don't care whether we have 50k members or 100k members, as long as our support continues through the gates on match day that's what really counts.

 

[Garlic muncher]

That would have been me, I have posted a lot of eye wateringly tedious interesting and informative stats and graphs on this subject. I think you're referring to this table, which highlights when each club finished in the top 4 for crowds.

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Basically it's as gaelictiogar called it, only those teams now called the Big 4 have had sustained success in terms of crowd numbers. The last 60 years is dominated by Collingwood, who virtually never fall below 2nd, with 2 distinct periods of domination by Essendon (90s) and Richmond (70s), with Carlton usually always thereabouts, although increasingly less likely to top the list.

In the first 30 years of recorded stats, Carlton were the most dominant, with Richmond on top during the war years and Collingwood usually around 2nd or 3rd but rarely top. Melbourne dominated the crowds as much as they did the ladder during the 50s and early 60s but as they were nowhere near the top before or since it's difficult to think of them as being part of a Big 4. South Melb also had some success early on but quickly fell away.

Looking at that, IMO Richmond has the base to challenge Collingwood, bring it on

 

[Madtiger2006]

MCC predicting 65,000 for Pies/Tigers and 48k for Dons/Dees

Think they mean 85k. Surely

 

[Garlic muncher]

Think they mean 85k. Surely

Yer, cant see Collingwood fans jumping off this early, contrary to popular (now) belief the Collingwood fans i spoke to prior to the season were expecting a good year, but there has always been a bit of talk about Buckley.

 

[manicmagpie]

Think they mean 85k. Surely

65k sounds closer than 85k to be honest.

 

[Garlic muncher]

That would have been me, I have posted a lot of eye wateringly tedious interesting and informative stats and graphs on this subject. I think you're referring to this table, which highlights when each club finished in the top 4 for crowds.

View attachment 229817

Basically it's as gaelictiogar called it, only those teams now called the Big 4 have had sustained success in terms of crowd numbers. The last 60 years is dominated by Collingwood, who virtually never fall below 2nd, with 2 distinct periods of domination by Essendon (90s) and Richmond (70s), with Carlton usually always thereabouts, although increasingly less likely to top the list.

In the first 30 years of recorded stats, Carlton were the most dominant, with Richmond on top during the war years and Collingwood usually around 2nd or 3rd but rarely top. Melbourne dominated the crowds as much as they did the ladder during the 50s and early 60s but as they were nowhere near the top before or since it's difficult to think of them as being part of a Big 4. South Melb also had some success early on but quickly fell away.

Look at the slow demise of Fitzroy from a power club to ..... probably a product of no real train line and squeezed in by Collingwood and Carlton.

 

[Garlic muncher]

65k sounds closer than 85k to be honest.

Happy to split the difference i reckon

 

[Madtiger2006]

65k sounds closer than 85k to be honest.

I was thinking 90k if you beat swans.

 

[Rouel_14]

65k sounds closer than 85k to be honest.

It's round 2, crowds should still be up and attracting the less hard core fan, surely pies supporters aren't off the bandwagon already, Christ 60000 turned up round 7
Sat year after rich,mod had been nothing but dismal...

Also Richmond supporters will attend away games, just ask the blues about that one and the reason blues in round one always draws more than the same fixture at a Richmond home game.

Anything less than 70000 would be seen as a pretty terrible effort I would say, 75000 right in the middle would be right about On par one would hope..

 

[Rouel_14]

Not to mention 2 clubs with 140000 members between them should be able to fill the G...


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[manicmagpie]

I was thinking 90k if you beat swans.

It's round 2, crowds should still be up and attracting the less hard core fan, surely pies supporters aren't off the bandwagon already, Christ 60000 turned up round 7
Sat year after rich,mod had been nothing but dismal...

Also Richmond supporters will attend away games, just ask the blues about that one and the reason blues in round one always draws more than the same fixture at a Richmond home game.

Anything less than 70000 would be seen as a pretty terrible effort I would say, 75000 right in the middle would be right about On par one would hope..

I'm hoping for over 70k, but don't think it'll reach 75k. I'll be very glad to be wrong about it. The lacklustre performance from Richmond and the diabolical one from Collingwood has really taken the shine off this match. If both teams had put in good performances then 80k+ was on the cards. As it is, I think the neutrals will be looking to the GF replay this weekend instead and bandwagoners from both teams will drop off and we'll end up with a decent sized crowd instead of the monster it could have been.

Richmond and Collingwood matches are cursed. Every year one or both of the teams has a horrendous game the week before and scuppers the chance of a real blockbuster.

 

[Gigantor]

Look at the slow demise of Fitzroy from a power club to ..... probably a product of no real train line and squeezed in by Collingwood and Carlton.

Don't forget about University.

 

[Rouel_14]

I'm hoping for over 70k, but don't think it'll reach 75k. I'll be very glad to be wrong about it. The lacklustre performance from Richmond and the diabolical one from Collingwood has really taken the shine off this match. If both teams had put in good performances then 80k+ was on the cards. As it is, I think the neutrals will be looking to the GF replay this weekend instead and bandwagoners from both teams will drop off and we'll end up with a decent sized crowd instead of the monster it could have been.

Richmond and Collingwood matches are cursed. Every year one or both of the teams has a horrendous game the week before and scuppers the chance of a real blockbuster.

They really are, this match up has the potential to become the biggest In the AFL and for some reason neither team can be up and about at the same as the other. I thought after 2013 round 4 the 80000 that day would get it started but not to be

 

[Garlic muncher]

Don't forget about University.

What were they thinking !, how were amateur's ever going to work, not to mention what WW1 did to the player base, not to mention where were all the supporters going to come from, i would have thought

Fitzroy however did have quite a large supporter base, won some premierships, South Melbourne probably even more so.

 

[bombersfan4000]

They really are, this match up has the potential to become the biggest In the AFL and for some reason neither team can be up and about at the same as the other. I thought after 2013 round 4 the 80000 that day would get it started but not to be

Lol

 

[Swans FC]

I was thinking 90k if you beat swans.

Surely not

 

[Rezza Tiger]

Surely not

90k is not that far fetched for Pies v Tigers. 2 massive traditional rivals on a balmy Friday evening but the Swans really took the sting out of Collingwood's pre season optimism in just a quarter of footy. I don't think us Tiger fans are too phased by the flat opening game. We knew we were on a hiding to nothing against Carlton. It's more the negative media attention to our ugly win that's threatening to take some more gloss off this game. Pies fans will be feeling rally flat this week but being their first home game at the G hopefully it can crack 70K.

 

[Swans FC]

90k is not that far fetched for Pies v Tigers. 2 massive traditional rivals on a balmy Friday evening but the Swans really took the sting out of Collingwood's pre season optimism in just a quarter of footy. I don't think us Tiger fans are too phased by the flat opening game. We knew we were on a hiding to nothing against Carlton. It's more the negative media attention to our ugly win that's threatening to take some more gloss off this game. Pies fans will be feeling rally flat this week but being their first home game at the G hopefully it can crack 70K.

Even if Collingwood won it wouldn't have been 90k. I'm sure the two clubs could get close to or crack 90k if they were both playing good football and sitting in the top 4 towards the end of the season though.

 

[Rezza Tiger]

Richmond and Collingwood matches are cursed. Every year one or both of the teams has a horrendous game the week before and scuppers the chance of a real blockbuster.

Couldn't agree more. Pretty sure it's been like that since the early 80s.

 

[Rouel_14]

90k is not that far fetched for Pies v Tigers. 2 massive traditional rivals on a balmy Friday evening but the Swans really took the sting out of Collingwood's pre season optimism in just a quarter of footy. I don't think us Tiger fans are too phased by the flat opening game. We knew we were on a hiding to nothing against Carlton. It's more the negative media attention to our ugly win that's threatening to take some more gloss off this game. Pies fans will be feeling rally flat this week but being their first home game at the G hopefully it can crack 70K.

I think it should match Round 1, anything less would be a but of a shame.
Tiger supporters aren't flat, we know we had half a team out and a win in round 1 against the blues is worth a lot no matter how close for comfort it is.
Tigers will be out in force and Friday night, lock that in for sure

 

[Rouel_14]

Just a thought though, chances are if we beat the pies, our crowd round 3 vs crows could be the highest attended game at Etihad this year, and would be quite ironic considering we aren't even an Etihad tenant


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