Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[Collingwoodity]

Apparently its got nothing to do with the coach........its all about cattle.

The problem is we played Hawthorn and their cattle is average at best...........so I am not sure why we lost yesterday!

And to an extent he is correct. The cattle are a part of the problem.

This conclusion then leads to the question "Why do we have substandard cattle after 6 (4) years of list development?" Again, the players play to the best of their abilities within the coaching structures set upon them. If the players cannot implement the structures, either the list development has been poor or the coaching structures are. Perhaps it is a bit of both. Either way it is not good.

 

[gene clark]

Absolutely I would stay the course

You only have to listen to the comments of Pendles to understand that Bucks is getting this right
I equate this year to Richmond last year, I expect a very similar result next year

This Richmond and Hardwick comparison is rubbish and based solely on wishful thinking and blind, baseless optimism.

Richmond played finals for the 3 years proceeding 2016, recording 15, 12 and 15 wins. They were coming from a solid base aside from the poor 2016 going into this year.

We've won 11, 10, 9 and likely less again this year with no finals appearances in any of them. We're coming from a much lower base (that is trending backwards) than Richmond which makes the likelihood of a rapid turnaround unlikely to say the least.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

So youre making up shit.

Timmy, if you take note of the question mark after my initial post and then the "f... all" in reply to a question, you'd have your answer. Making up shit or guessing what may have happened?

 

[bucksisbest]

I didn't like the press conference. Too much dog whistle and the sub text was really spruiking himself to find the extra 5 percent that will lead to success, with this 'young' group. It felt and sounded really pre-planned; and it leads me away from the popularly held view that he would fall on his sword if required.

 

[bunter]

I just think we are over-complicating things. It may have to do with the fact that Buckley is coaching for his career. The problem is that in 6 years we still haven't worked out our structure. The team chops and changes every week.

We started the year with 3 talls, then went to 2, then went to one. Now we've gone back to 2. We get told that the backline was too top heavy so we dropped Reid.

De Goey is clearly a midfielder, but it took until yesterday to unleash him permanently in that role.

Greenwood has his best game of the year tagging Joel Selwood, but hasn't tagged since.

We have a revolving door with mid-range players like Aish, Ramsay, Scharenberg, Brown, Crocker and Cox. We are not making finals, so now is the time to find out about these guys. ..or if we don't rate them then stop bringing them in and out.

Our forwards come too high, our defenders get sucked up too high as well. We are confused, not playing on instinct.

We have 8 games to get out s**t together. Pick a structure and let it gel.

It was also obvious yesterday that the hawks were setting up down the wings with loose players running hard in a line and we never tried to counter this tactic, as long as they didn't go down the guts we just seem to let them continually attack in this fashion. Was doing my head in watching it unfold from level 4.

 

[JollyBallsUp]

Buckley has Buckley's chance of retaining his coaching position next year now that finals is out of the question.
6 years in the top job has not been fruitful and unfortunately his time is now up.

The question now remains who will coach Collingwood in season 2018?

 

[jscan]

Read an article, think it was the HS, why is Michael Voss's name coming up as a possibility?, the guy has the exact same problem as Buckley, we don't need another choker.

 

[shizzle]

 

[10571z]

Read an article, think it was the HS, why is Michael Voss's name coming up as a possibility?, the guy has the exact same problem as Buckley, we don't need another choker.

I promise you Voss will not be the coach of Collingwood

 

[Dubaimagpie]

Whilst I hope the club goes for a complete cull of the coaching staff and football department my feelings are that the following will happen:-

1. Bucks will have his contract extended for 2 years.

2. A Director of Coaching or mentor whichever you think sounds better will be appointed to oversee his 2 years and "advise" him.

3. All assistant coaches will be moved on and new ones appointed.


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[swoop42]

Just saw on Twitter he suggested we didn't perform because players are better in their late 20's

What a pathetic cop out from an irrelevant individual

He's clearly now doing what all failed coaches have done before him which is making up excuses and providing nonsensical justifications to retain his job.

It's sad.

For the record.

Collingwood 2010 premiership side.

Average age - 24y 57d
Average games - 101

Round 15 2017 vs Hawthorn

Average age - 24y 301d
Average games - 86

 

[Schraderbrau]

He's clearly now doing what all failed coaches have done before him which is making up excuses and providing nonsensical justifications to retain his job.

It's sad.

For the record.

Collingwood 2010 premiership side.

Average age - 24y 57d
Average games - 101

Round 15 2017 vs Hawthorn

Average age - 24y 301d
Average games - 86

this is pretty damning.

 

[Schraderbrau]

It would be a very tough thing to do but if Bucks wants to act in the best interests of the club it would be to resign immediately. The season is over, there is no prospect of him retaining his job and the junk time from now until the end of the season is better off spent preparing for the next few years rather than giving the coach/club champion a dignified send off.

We have gone beyond the stage that he is coaching for his job, even if he can't see that. From here on in his interests to remain as coach of the club conflict with our interests to put the club in the best position going into 2018.

The club won't sack him so he needs to do the right thing and resign imo.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

He's clearly now doing what all failed coaches have done before him which is making up excuses and providing nonsensical justifications to retain his job.

It's sad.

For the record.

Collingwood 2010 premiership side.

Average age - 24y 57d
Average games - 101

Round 15 2017 vs Hawthorn

Average age - 24y 301d
Average games - 86

I'm not happy with what he had to say. Thought I'd clear that up first.
Young premiership teams are put on a pedestal because they buck the trend. The problem with comparing one young list to another is that team dynamics don't often come into the conversation. It's a tough one.
The 2010 side had elements that are missing in today's list. There was leadership quality on every line even when taking into account the players who didn't take the field in the grand final. They were there for the lead up to and including 2010. I don't think we've had enough of them leading up to this year.
If that turns into another knock on Buckley and co, then so be it and fair enough too.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Absolutely I would stay the course

You only have to listen to the comments of Pendles to understand that Bucks is getting this right
I equate this year to Richmond last year, I expect a very similar result next year

So what do you equate the year before this year to? Or the year before that? Or the year before the year before that?

fwiw I see no similarity between us and Richmond but even if there were that would still be depressing because I think they're a fairly average team at its peak that has 0 chance of doing any damage in September.

I also don't put much value on the captains words. It would be extraordinary if he were to offer anything other than his support for the coach

 

[jscan]

I promise you Voss will not be the coach of Collingwood

Promise me Nathan won't be next year too, please.

 

[Schraderbrau]

I promise you Voss will not be the coach of Collingwood

I can promise you this. Can't rule out Hird though.

 

[jscan]

I can promise you this. Can't rule out Hird though.

Hird?!!?!?? We are a true magnet for the scraps nobody else wants.

 

[PieBeast]

I didn't like the press conference. Too much dog whistle and the sub text was really spruiking himself to find the extra 5 percent that will lead to success, with this 'young' group. It felt and sounded really pre-planned; and it leads me away from the popularly held view that he would fall on his sword if required.

Yep, an obvious change of script writer and a complete move away from any hint of ownership of the situation he's shown before.

 

[jackcass]

He's clearly now doing what all failed coaches have done before him which is making up excuses and providing nonsensical justifications to retain his job.

It's sad.

For the record.

Collingwood 2010 premiership side.

Average age - 24y 57d
Average games - 101

Round 15 2017 vs Hawthorn

Average age - 24y 301d
Average games - 86

While not defending Buck's comments I think you're projecting an overly simplified view with this comparison.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

Actually CFC2010 Filo has a point here.
I do sometimes get confused as to where you stand on a topic. One minute it seems you are anti Bucks next minute you seem to be pro Bucks have you been sent to screw with our minds. Are you conducting some social mental research. Should we wear a tinfoil cap when we speak with you.
I think you have been outed.

Ottoman, when I'm conversing with CFC on such matters, I advise not to take me seriously. If you were having a bit of a laugh about it too, good.

 

[northpie]

At 5 and 9 season is definitely over, and with our form deteriorating and a tough draw expect we finish 7 and 15 give or take a game. This will leave us around 15 to 17th, a largely talentless list of younger players showing little scope for improvement and very little appeal as a destination club.

Looking forward to 2018 based on 2017 results and club trajectories, I have the following teams definitely ahead of us next year
GWS Melb Geel Adel WCE SYD GCS Port Rich StK WBD Carl Ess
Interested if anyone can give a strong argument against any of the above being in a weaker state than the pies.

That leaves freo NM Bris and ourselves in line for 15 to 18.
Freo probably has a better young list than we do but aging harder at the senior end Brisbane no doubt has better young talent than we or north do, so see them moving ahead of us in 2019

NM our major peer competitor over the next 2 years.
That end of year review is not necessary to confirm our club is the basket case of the competition from a football perspective.
We need a total rebuild across footy department and reengineering of our playing list.
KPP , fast rebounding defenders, clearance beasts and crumbing fwds the top of our recruiting list
I can hear the cliche we expect to be competing for the flag in 2020 to 2022 coming from the new CEO's mouth.
It will be a very long post and pre season next year

 

[ottoman]

Ottoman, when I'm conversing with CFC on such matters, I advise not to take me seriously. If you were having a bit of a laugh about it too, good.

Having a laugh with you and CFC.
Just a bit of fun

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

Having a laugh with you and CFC.
Just a bit of fun

Excellent! Then we agree that CFC is a club plant. You're done CFC2010, outed and cooked.

 

[Help My Club]

The majority of supporters and most of the media believe that Buckley is a man of integrity and honor. This may well be true. But never before has Nathan been provided with the opportunity to tangibly demonstrate that he is indeed a man of honor.

The honorable thing to do would be to tender his resignation post haste. This would provide the club and the playing group with a much needed valve release. Our club is currently in no man's land. It is all about will Buckley stay or go? The club is frozen. This is extremely damaging for the club, supporters and most importantly the players. The players are entitled to certainty and clarity. Now that doesn't mean that Buckley automatically stays. Just because a few high profile players are backing the coach (what else are they supposed to do?), doesn't mean that they are representing the playing group as a whole (even though they might think they are).

Anyone with a balanced non - emotive bias would be within their rights to come to the conclusion that Buckley's coaching days are over, at Collingwood. By Buckley doing the right thing, it enables his strongest ally McGuire to move forward with a new coaching structure without having to make a decision that he simply does not or cannot make. Buckley can remove that onerous task from McGuire. And then of course McGuire can celebrate the departure of a Collingwood legend in a manner fitting of his status - Buckley being a great Collingwood man who made the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the club.

Everyone wins.