Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[BringouttheGimp]

No and Yes but sacking Bucks is not the answer

Yeah but had it been John Blakey as senior coach.. sacking him 3 yrs ago would have been the answer.. wheres the equality in that. Keep up the good work Pendles.. you've got a job as senior coach and if it doesn't work out onfield.. we owe you respect.. so 10 yrs min.

Get rid of him! Enough of the respect crap.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I am more critical of the players.

It is not Bucks gifting the ball up, seriously we can't execute simple 20m passes.

The coach doesn't instruct his players to kick the ball to their opposition, if our cattle even supposedly skilled guys like WHE.

Howe just hitting up Mitchell from a kick-out, Adams spotting up Hawks across HB, Treloar handballing to nobody...can partially excuse a kid like Phillips as he is still feeling comfortable.

Bucks is the easy target, but the problems at Collingwood are much greater than Buckley.

Agreed it is not just the coach but it is the coaches responsibility for the skills coaching and player development; you could argue that the players are playing for him though it did not look like it yesterday but more than that is needed to succeed. The playing group needs to continuously improve in all areas of the game not just effort for the coach and unfortunately I would argue that only Howe and Grundy have improved on last year. If you remember back in 99 we had the worst list of the comp but after that through skills, mental and physical development poor players became good players if not great players; that's what we need now!

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

The majority of supporters and most of the media believe that Buckley is a man of integrity and honor. This may well be true. But never before has Nathan been provided with the opportunity to tangibly demonstrate that he is indeed a man of honor.

The honorable thing to do would be to tender his resignation post haste. This would provide the club and the playing group with a much needed valve release. Our club is currently in no man's land. It is all about will Buckley stay or go? The club is frozen. This is extremely damaging for the club, supporters and most importantly the players. The players are entitled to certainty and clarity. Now that doesn't mean that Buckley automatically stays. Just because a few high profile players are backing the coach (what else are they supposed to do?), doesn't mean that they are representing the playing group as a whole (even though they might think they are).

Anyone with a balanced non - emotive bias would be within their rights to come to the conclusion that Buckley's coaching days are over, at Collingwood. By Buckley doing the right thing, it enables his strongest ally McGuire to move forward with a new coaching structure without having to make a decision that he simply does not or cannot make. Buckley can remove that onerous task from McGuire. And then of course McGuire can celebrate the departure of a Collingwood legend in a manner fitting of his status - Buckley being a great Collingwood man who made the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the club.

Everyone wins.

You may well be right in most of your post but each time someone had tried to draw him into a discussion about his time under Malthouse, he's done the honourable thing and said nothing negative. That's opportunity.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Buckley pulling the youth card again in his presser...too late mate, 6 years of excuses.

Agreed, we're 10th oldest and 6th most experienced on average so that comment of his is moot anyway

 

[GreekLunatic]

To me Bucks seems his giving mixed messages in his press conference he classified port power as the best side we played also Reid could have been a better foward then Cox

 

[Help My Club]

You may well be right in most of your post but each time someone had tried to draw him into a discussion about his time under Malthouse, he's done the honourable thing and said nothing negative. That's opportunity.

And smart. Think about it. Given that the succession plan has been a contentious issue, it wouldn't be smart for the incoming novice coach to dump on the outgoing experienced coach. Buckley would be too smart to fall for that one. Not to mention he has been mentored by one of the all time great media spruikers - big Ed.

 

[HeathySure]

The majority of supporters and most of the media believe that Buckley is a man of integrity and honor. This may well be true. But never before has Nathan been provided with the opportunity to tangibly demonstrate that he is indeed a man of honor.

The honorable thing to do would be to tender his resignation post haste. This would provide the club and the playing group with a much needed valve release. Our club is currently in no man's land. It is all about will Buckley stay or go? The club is frozen. This is extremely damaging for the club, supporters and most importantly the players. The players are entitled to certainty and clarity. Now that doesn't mean that Buckley automatically stays. Just because a few high profile players are backing the coach (what else are they supposed to do?), doesn't mean that they are representing the playing group as a whole (even though they might think they are).

Anyone with a balanced non - emotive bias would be within their rights to come to the conclusion that Buckley's coaching days are over, at Collingwood. By Buckley doing the right thing, it enables his strongest ally McGuire to move forward with a new coaching structure without having to make a decision that he simply does not or cannot make. Buckley can remove that onerous task from McGuire. And then of course McGuire can celebrate the departure of a Collingwood legend in a manner fitting of his status - Buckley being a great Collingwood man who made the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the club.

Everyone wins.

Totally agree with this, but my opinion and having listened to Bucks in the last couple of weeks my opinion is he has already been told he has his extension now go out and sell to the supporters that he is the man for the job, His interview on Friday night on SEN totally smelt of that.

 

[doodles98]

Excellent! Then we agree that CFC is a club plant. You're done CFC2010, outed and cooked.

Cfc's codename is "golden cane palm"

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

And smart. Think about it. Given that the succession plan has been a contentious issue, it wouldn't be smart for the incoming novice coach to dump on the outgoing experienced coach. Buckley would be too smart to fall for that one. Not to mention he has been mentored by one of the all time great media spruikers - big Ed.

Well the mentor may not have followed his own advice.
IMO Bucks did what was right for the club by refusing to be drawn on it, even went the other way and said there were no issues. I think it was honourable, you think it is smart, some would think it's both.

 

[CFC2010]

Cfc's codename is "golden cane palm"

 

[Bad Horse]

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Interestingly the Golden Cane Palm or Areca Palm was found by NASA to be the best of a list of 50 indoor tolerant plants for human health on the basis of its leading capacity to clean the air, add moisture to the environment, and be relatively easy to care for.

Sounds an appropriate choice.

 

[Help My Club]

Well the mentor may not have followed his own advice.
IMO Bucks did what was right for the club by refusing to be drawn on it, even went the other way and said there were no issues. I think it was honourable, you think it is smart, some would think it's both.

But the mentor I am referring to is McGuire, not Malthouse.

 

[CFC2010]

Interestingly the Golden Cane Palm or Areca Palm was found by NASA to be the best of a list of 50 indoor tolerant plants for human health on the basis of its leading capacity to clean the air, add moisture to the environment, and be relatively easy to care for.

Sounds an appropriate choice.

Are you calling me a space cadet mate?

Club Plants have feelings to you know?

 

[swoop42]

I'd rather take the glass is half full approach and risk more of the same in search of something superior.

To do the opposite would mean Tone would still be the coach.

Besides how fashionable and sexy were the appointments of Clarkson and Beveridge at the time.

Hell I remember seeing on television Beveridge not being able to giveaway tickets to a game (or was it memberships) in his first season.

Doubt he'd be ignored now on the sidewalk.

 

[Kick It 2 Me]

I'm pretty sad.

Didn't watch the game, didn't even know the result until an hour ago when I saw the scores on the AFL website. My shoulders dropped. No finals, a club legend in Buckley all but gone, the players probably wondering what went wrong and down even more on confidence now.

Still wondering whether to download the replay coz I hate watching us lose, yet I'm still tempted to view it just to see the occasional glimpse of hope. An unhappy time for all of us.

 

[JollyBallsUp]

He's clearly now doing what all failed coaches have done before him which is making up excuses and providing nonsensical justifications to retain his job.

It's sad.

For the record.

Collingwood 2010 premiership side.

Average age - 24y 57d
Average games - 101

Round 15 2017 vs Hawthorn

Average age - 24y 301d
Average games - 86

sounds like he deserves another year.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

But the mentor I am referring to is McGuire, not Malthouse.

Me too

 

[Toecrusher]

Agreed it is not just the coach but it is the coaches responsibility for the skills coaching and player development; you could argue that the players are playing for him though it did not look like it yesterday but more than that is needed to succeed. The playing group needs to continuously improve in all areas of the game not just effort for the coach and unfortunately I would argue that only Howe and Grundy have improved on last year. If you remember back in 99 we had the worst list of the comp but after that through skills, mental and physical development poor players became good players if not great players; that's what we need now!

The Sack, Howey & maybe Maynard are having better years, and Billy Elliott is obviously better, because last year he didn't play.
What I think is more important is, if you look at areas of the ground, last year our forward 50 was poor, we've gone further backwards - big time.
The defensive 50 has probably declined slightly. The best midfield in the entire world has probably declined too, but that is based on their lack of ability to hit a forward target. In fact, our ability to hit a target anywhere on the ground is appalling.

I would be interested in seeing stats on our kicking efficiency. Although we have the best midfield in the entire universe, I'd be very surprised if our kicking efficiency doesn't match our ladder position.

 

[Toecrusher]

Interestingly the Golden Cane Palm or Areca Palm was found by NASA to be the best of a list of 50 indoor tolerant plants for human health on the basis of its leading capacity to clean the air, add moisture to the environment, and be relatively easy to care for.

Sounds an appropriate choice.

I think the discussion about golden cane palms and their benefits to the environment is worthy of its own thread.

A mega thread in the making.

 

[Krueger]

The Ben Hart interview pretty much said it all. Buckley was too stubborn to change the way he wanted us to play. Was his way or the highway just like when he got rid of players he didnt get along with. Hes had so many chances to get it right and failed. He cant coach or manage all the players and it goes way back to his playing days. He is who he is and has failed.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

im sick of reading and hearing crap about how weve done so badly in the trade as an excuse as well for BUCKLEY.. I think weve done well!

which club doesn't have on their list a dud or 2 or even 3 they've picked up in the trade.

look at every friggen club.. not just ours!!!!

vickery mitch clark Obrien dawes Thomas omeara and the loss of a first rounder and the list goes on.. I mean what the hell has freeman done.. at least we got pick 21 for him or whatever.. we picked up varcoe for lumumbn and we used pick 18 we acquired from melb for trading dawes to em and got grundy.. everyone seems to want to only survey their own back yard. we have done well in comparison to most other clubs.

when I read how badly weve done in trades by posters.. I just switch off.. nonsense!!!!! what you want a.. every pick a winner? we are so friggen ahead in trades its not funny.

 

[Bad Horse]

I think the discussion about golden cane palms and their benefits to the environment is worthy of its own thread.

A mega thread in the making.

The Random Plants thread perhaps.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

This is my first post l can write with absolute confidence that what l am writing about will happen. We can even put our homes on it, that Bucks will not be coach next year. The reasons are simple, no finals that now will be, in four consecutive seasons. A continued decline in ladder position each year. The poor quality of the list with exceptions of course. Still no real team progression in game plan or identity, and finally you would feel alot of angst from some club stakeholders/members, board directors, supporters and sponsors if Bucks was reappointed.
The most pivotal things against Bucks is that he dosent have enough credits in the bank to consider, and the club knows that it cannot go into a new season with a coach who will be under imense pressure, x2 this year's pressure, and risk him failing again by not making finals.
With the new coach there will be no media pressure to concern him talking about his sacking nearly every week. A new game plan, a different voice for the players to listen to, different training techniques, changes in player development eg. Scharenberg, could be given more opportunity in a different role, the list goes on.
i am absolutely confident, that the club will be making an announcement in the next 5-6 weeks. Watch this space.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I would be interested in seeing stats on our kicking efficiency

I just looked that up and inexplicably we're currently equal 6th on 73.5% after 14 games and I've always said whatever you're game plan / style disposal efficiency is king.

However going on yesterdays game we went back to last year, zone defence, guarding space, double back running to outnumber at the contest. Granted if this can be executed it is very difficult to defeat but also equally taxing and difficult to execute. That tells me that even though we are at the pointy end in key stats we don't have the cattle to pull it off game in game out - let alone a season. That also tells me that this instruction is unsustainable

 

[BringouttheGimp]

This is my first post l can write with absolute confidence that what l am writing about will happen. We can even put our homes on it, that Bucks will not be coach next year. The reasons are simple, no finals that now will be, in four consecutive seasons. A continued decline in ladder position each year. The poor quality of the list with exceptions of course. Still no real team progression in game plan or identity, and finally you would feel alot of angst from some club stakeholders/members, board directors, supporters and sponsors if Bucks was reappointed.
The most pivotal things against Bucks is that he dosent have enough credits in the bank to consider, and the club knows that it cannot go into a new season with a coach who will be under imense pressure, x2 this year's pressure, and risk him failing again by not making finals.
With the new coach there will be no media pressure to concern him talking about his sacking nearly every week. A new game plan, a different voice for the players to listen to, different training techniques, changes in player development eg. Scharenberg, could be given more opportunity in a different role, the list goes on.
i am absolutely confident, that the club will be making an announcement in the next 5-6 weeks. Watch this space.

what poor quality??

we have a good list.. he cant friggen coach!

you have not seen the best of a lot of em!!!