The 2017 Rolling All-Australian Thread

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

Tom Mitchell perhaps?

 

[VictorianCrow85]

Round 5.

B: Rory Laird - Alex Rance - Phil Davis

HB: Elliot Yeo - Jeremy McGovern - Jason Johannisen

C: Zach Merrett - Patrick Dangerfield - Dustin Martin

HF: Robbie Gray - Taylor Walker - Toby Greene

F: Eddie Betts - Tom Hawkins - Jeremy Cameron

R: Brodie Grundy - Rory Sloane - Joel Selwood

Int: Daniel Menzel - Luke Shuey - Clayton Oliver - Oliver Wines

Changes from round 4.

Out: Talia, In: McGovern. (Talia is likely to miss a few games so may as well remove him now. Still in contention at end of season, Key Defenders have really fallen this year).
Out: Kennedy, In: Walker. (Simply the best CHF by far this year, sets up as many as he scores, Kennedy's impact has faded).
Out: Murphy, In: Wines. (Playing for a team like Carlton it was only a matter of time until Murphy was replaced, Wines is second in the AFLCA award).
Out: Cotchin, In: Gray. (I like Cotchin but he has had a few too many quiet games, Gray is also pretty lucky considering he's done f*** all against good sides).

By club. Geelong: 4, Adelaide: 4, GWS: 3, West Coast 3, Richmond: 2, Port: 2, Bulldogs: 1, Melbourne: 1, Essendon: 1, Collingwood: 1

Reckon that looks pretty close to the best side I've seen. Couple names are still 50/50 but mostly on the money.

 

[pacman]

Round 5.

B: Rory Laird - Alex Rance - Phil Davis

HB: Elliot Yeo - Jeremy McGovern - Jason Johannisen

C: Zach Merrett - Patrick Dangerfield - Dustin Martin

HF: Robbie Gray - Taylor Walker - Toby Greene

F: Eddie Betts - Tom Hawkins - Jeremy Cameron

R: Brodie Grundy - Rory Sloane - Joel Selwood

Int: Daniel Menzel - Luke Shuey - Clayton Oliver - Oliver Wines

Changes from round 4.

Out: Talia, In: McGovern. (Talia is likely to miss a few games so may as well remove him now. Still in contention at end of season, Key Defenders have really fallen this year).
Out: Kennedy, In: Walker. (Simply the best CHF by far this year, sets up as many as he scores, Kennedy's impact has faded).
Out: Murphy, In: Wines. (Playing for a team like Carlton it was only a matter of time until Murphy was replaced, Wines is second in the AFLCA award).
Out: Cotchin, In: Gray. (I like Cotchin but he has had a few too many quiet games, Gray is also pretty lucky considering he's done f*** all against good sides).

By club. Geelong: 4, Adelaide: 4, GWS: 3, West Coast 3, Richmond: 2, Port: 2, Bulldogs: 1, Melbourne: 1, Essendon: 1, Collingwood: 1

No Rockliff or Martin is a surprise.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Rofl.

Have you watched the Cats? Hawkins pretty much single handedly kept us in the two wins over North and Melbourne as far as players in the front half of the field go, and was the standout forward on the field in the Freo game. He was one of a bunch of dominant players against Hawthorn and quiet against St Kilda.


Hawkins is outdoing him for goals, contested marks, more of his possessions (percentage wise) are contested, takes the same amount of marks inside 50, Hawkins makes 4 tackles a game to Walker's 1.5.

Now walker certainly has things in his favour, he has half as many score involvements again as what Hawkins does, more goal assists, more marks (uncontested) and more touches. He also spends more time up the ground however.

Now he's certainly a contender and there's arguments you can make for both of them. But to just dismiss Hawkins as not even being worthy when pretty clearly, he is, is pretty ordinary. At any rate, if Kennedy doesn't lift his game a little bit, you could put Walker at CHF and Hawkins at FF anyway if you had to.

Not sure how any of that makes Hawkins a CHF..... And that is what the original poster was saying.

Seriously he's about as old school a FF as we have in the game anymore. He's not roaming around CHF and pushing up to the wings.

 

[PhatBoy]

Not sure how any of that makes Hawkins a CHF..... And that is what the original poster was saying.

Seriously he's about as old school a FF as we have in the game anymore. He's not roaming around CHF and pushing up to the wings.

Not compared to say Walker or Riewoldt who push well into the centre but by his standards he has actually gone further up the field this season than what he has in the past. I even said in my post, though, that you could pick walker at chf and Hawkins at FF - god knows Kennedy hasn't been remarkable so far - but my main point was that out of two marking key forwards, there isn't a lot to separate the two except for the fact that Walker is playing further up field. Hawkins' defensive work has been super for a player of his size and relatively questionable two-way reputation.

 

[theprospect]

Tom Mitchell perhaps?

Zero chance. Butchers the ball a lot and most of his possessions are cheap handballs.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Not compared to say Walker or Riewoldt who push well into the centre but by his standards he has actually gone further up the field this season than what he has in the past. I even said in my post, though, that you could pick walker at chf and Hawkins at FF - god knows Kennedy hasn't been remarkable so far - but my main point was that out of two marking key forwards, there isn't a lot to separate the two except for the fact that Walker is playing further up field. Hawkins' defensive work has been super for a player of his size and relatively questionable two-way reputation.

I think you're arguing a point no one actually said. The original poster just sated that he's not challenging Tex for CHF. That's true.

He's in the mix for FF along with Josh Kennedy (who has had a comparable year so far), and i think the player who will end up AA FF in Jeremy Cameron.

 

[Donakebab]

FB: Rory Laird - Phil Davis - Sam Docherty
HB: Elliot Yeo - Jeremy McGovern - Zac Williams
C: Nick Riewoldt - Patrick Dangerfield - Oliver Wines
HF: Dustin Martin - Taylor Walker - Toby Greene
FF: Eddie Betts - Tom Hawkins - Jeremy Cameron
R: Stef Martin - Rory Sloane - Joel Selwood
Int: Luke Shuey - Brendon Goddard - Clayton Oliver - Tom Rockliff

 

[MaddAdam]

Unfashionable, but Ben Cunnington is playing some of the best inside footy going at the moment.

 

[Scatter]

Unfashionable, but Ben Cunnington is playing some of the best inside footy going at the moment.

I would agree, seen him a few times this year and reckon he is underrated.

From Freo:
Mundy & Fyfe are possibles for midfield/HF.
Sandi in the mix for ruck with 4 or 5 others.

Would have loved to say S Hill and he probably deserves it based on the first 5 games, but no chance now that he is out for 3-4 weeks.

 

[juss]

Unfashionable, but Ben Cunnington is playing some of the best inside footy going at the moment.

Not in rolling side contention, probably not in squad contention either.

 

[MaddAdam]

Not in rolling side contention, probably not in squad contention either.

3rd in clearances per game. He'd be in the squad as the 3rd inside mid, anyway, as I said, deeply unfashionable player and these things are selected on who has the best hair and most Insta followers.

 

[GeelongFTW]

Unfashionable, but Ben Cunnington is playing some of the best inside footy going at the moment.

the fact that some of your top mids inc. Cunnington kinda disappeared at the death while their opponents tore it up (e.g. Dangerwood,fyfe) goes against him. Sure it's not all his fault but still...

 

[Donakebab]

Unfashionable, but Ben Cunnington is playing some of the best inside footy going at the moment.

Or just take a player with slightly lower clearance numbers but better at every other aspect across the board and hasn't missed a 1/5th of the season to date.

 

[Watson_my_mind]

FB: Rory Laird - Phil Davis (VC) - Jeremy McGovern
HB: Elliot Yeo - Alex Rance - Zac Williams
C: Zach Merrett - Joel Selwood - Oliver Wines
HF: Dustin Martin - Taylor Walker (C) - Toby Greene
FF: Eddie Betts - Tom Hawkins - Jeremy Cameron
R: Aaron Sandilands - Patrick Dangerfield - Rory Sloane
Int: Luke Shuey - Nick Riewoldt - Clayton Oliver - Tom Rockliff

 

[MaddAdam]

the fact that some of your top mids inc. Cunnington kinda disappeared at the death while their opponents tore it up (e.g. Dangerwood,fyfe) goes against him. Sure it's not all his fault but still...

That is true enough.

 

[juss]

3rd in clearances per game. He'd be in the squad as the 3rd inside mid, anyway, as I said, deeply unfashionable player and these things are selected on who has the best hair and most Insta followers.

Well no, there are some dubious selections/non selections at times, but not having Cunnington in the team certainly wouldn't be one of them.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

3rd in clearances per game. He'd be in the squad as the 3rd inside mid, anyway, as I said, deeply unfashionable player and these things are selected on who has the best hair and most Insta followers.

it's pretty hard to make it as an inside midfielder if you don't have much of an outside game.

last year cripps had more clearances a game than anyone has had this millennium and was a close second in contested possessions to josh kennedy, and he didn't make the squad of 40.

 

[PhatBoy]

FB: Rory Laird - Phil Davis (VC) - Jeremy McGovern
HB: Elliot Yeo - Alex Rance - Zac Williams
C: Zach Merrett - Joel Selwood - Oliver Wines
HF: Dustin Martin - Taylor Walker (C) - Toby Greene
FF: Eddie Betts - Tom Hawkins - Jeremy Cameron
R: Aaron Sandilands - Patrick Dangerfield - Rory Sloane
Int: Luke Shuey - Nick Riewoldt - Clayton Oliver - Tom Rockliff

Maybe he's going to get there and yes obviously I'm biased but ATM there is only one player in that squad with a c stencilled next to his name and it ain't walker

 

[Xenthor]

Maybe he's going to get there and yes obviously I'm biased but ATM there is only one player in that squad with a c stencilled next to his name and it ain't walker

I would rather Walker be captain than Selwood

 

[PhatBoy]

I would rather Walker be captain than Selwood

I would rather have preferred to have my nuts set on fire and put out with a bike chain than see Luke Hodge be captain but it didn't make him the wrong man for the title

 

[Trav 20]

I would have Oliver on par with Tom Mitchell. A lot of disposals but mostly handballs and much lower score involvements than the better midfielders this season. Oliver is averaging 4 score involvements a game, that is pretty average. In fact in comparison I was very harsh on Mitchell who averages 7 and plays in a team that has scored far less than Melbourne this season.

Still exceptional for a second year player but this is the All Australian Team, the top few players for each position.

Clutching at straws.

Four times in 5 games opposition coaches have given Oliver votes. Hardwick tagged him in the last quarter with Lambert such was his effect in giving our other mids first use. Oliver gives us first possession, it's not his fault that the team isn't capitalising on his incredibly clean hands with more score involvements.

He's the best teenager I've seen come to Melbourne since Gerard Healy and before him Flower.

 

[robertg22]

Is Dustin Martin really a lock? Seeing him in just about every side. He's had 2 good games out of 5 (his last quarter vs Melbourne was good though), leads the league in clangers and is going at <55% DE.

I know the media have been pumping him up big time, I think he's one of many that would be considered at this point rather than being a stone cold lock. Danger is in a similar boat for mine.

 

[VictorianCrow85]

Is Dustin Martin really a lock? Seeing him in just about every side. He's had 2 good games out of 5 (his last quarter vs Melbourne was good though), leads the league in clangers and is going at <55% DE.

I know the media have been pumping him up big time, I think he's one of many that would be considered at this point rather than being a stone cold lock. Danger is in a similar boat for mine.

His impact at times is undeniable but I agree the turnovers resulting in opposition goals don't seem to matter at all. Still probably just in the side at the moment for me but not by as much as most would say.

 

[robertg22]

His impact at times is undeniable but I agree the turnovers resulting in opposition goals don't seem to matter at all. Still probably just in the side at the moment for me but not by as much as most would say.

Yeah I agree. For me the only 'locks' (if there is such a thing 5 rounds in!) for midfield spots are Sloane, Selwood and Wines.