List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Key Dates
• Nov 20-21: Telstra AFL Draft
• Nov 22: Telstra Pre-Season Draft and Rookie Draft

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Available Draft Picks
• Main Draft - 12,26,72,77,87,92
• Rookie Draft - 3

 

[plays tall 1]

Given it sounds like Hotton is quite high on our radar, this is quite an interesting read

Injuries, mindset and maturity: How AFL clubs tackle risk assessments on junior players ahead of the draft

The AFL draft is big business, and clubs do everything in their power to make sure they pick the best of the best. Here's some of the tactics they use pre-draft.

www.abc.net.au

That article begs the question of what happened with Hewett. I think it’s been suggested on this board that the AFL knew of his foot issue but the Eagles did not.

 

[maverick001]

He's tested 3 times this year that I know of.
The one everyone is worried about is when he ran close to a 3.2
I also know he has tested at 2.99 and 3.00 as well.

Wind assisted

 

[maverick001]

He's tested 3 times this year that I know of.
The one everyone is worried about is when he ran close to a 3.2
I also know he has tested at 2.99 and 3.00 as well.

Sounds like there’s enough to work with there, he’s no Priddis
I’m all in if Lindsay not available

 

[Mattman93]

To be fair pace is clearly a worry; 3.2 is closer to what I'd expect him to test to the eye. He also likes to stop and prop and use his uncanny little movements rather than accelerate. This draws the Pendlebury comparisons but I definitely understand RE mentioning Luke Edwards as a bad case.

 

[Mop]

Sounds like there’s enough to work with there, he’s no Priddis
I’m all in if Lindsay not available

Some deep diving of the interweb tells me in 2003, Matt Priddis ran 3.17 and 3.2, so in theory the same speed that Royal Eagle was reporting for Murphy Reid.


However, apparently Priddis was quick over 5m.

Matt Priddis, AFL man of 'myth-tery'​

BySimon White​

August 12, 2011 — 4.00am
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The generally accepted view of West Coast on-baller Priddis probably goes a little like this – darling of fantasy football enthusiasts, slower than treacle, bit of a lottery when he drops the ball on his preferred left foot.
As it turns out, none of the above is quite true and it's hard to work out which part is the more surprising.

Brad Ottens tackles Matt Priddis of the Eagles.Credit:Getty Images
Maybe, given Priddis' reputation as a statistic-accumulation machine, it's the lack of any overwhelming popularity in fantasy football world.
Priddis ranks top 20 for points scoring in two major AFL fantasy competitions but is "owned" by just five per cent of players in one competition and eight per cent in the other.

By comparison, the take-up rates of Gary Ablett and Chris Judd are around 30 per cent. And Dane Swan's "ownership" stretches above 50 per cent.
Then again, there might be even more people who would be surprised to learn that the supposedly pedestrian Priddis is well above average in his quickness off the mark.
AFL talent national talent manager Kevin Sheehan says Priddis' 2003 state draft screening camp result for a five metre sprint would place him in the top 35 per cent of AFL athletes.
Combine that with consistently high-level endurance (beep test) results and the benefit of hindsight and Sheehan believes it is an all-mighty anomaly that Priddis went unselected in three straight national drafts after the 2003, 2004 and 2005 state screening camps.
He eventually went to West Coast with pick 31 of the 2005 rookie draft and the quickness over five metres has helped him average more than 25-possessions-per-game for the past three seasons.

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"He (Priddis) is nothing special over 20 metres but he's really quite quick over five metres. Taking into account his endurance, you can see that that his repeat efforts would just be enormous," Sheehan said.
"In hindsight, you do wonder why he wasn't picked up in a national draft. Enough clubs were interested in him three years in a row for him to get invited to the screening camps.
"All those teams saw something in him but didn't pick him. Who knows, maybe in 2011, with the improvements we've had in sports science, it might have been different?
"With such good endurance, he always showed that x-factor which said "pick me." He always presented well and showed a terrific work rate."
Of course, question marks remain about Priddis' ability to use the football.

But a quick scan of the AFL's elite ball-winners – of which Priddis is now undoubtedly one – shows he isn't the worst distributor going around.
His overall disposal efficiency of 68.45 per cent is well behind that of Scott Pendlebury (79.11 per cent). But it's also better than that of Swan (68.4 per cent) and Judd (66.41 per cent) and dwarfs that of Brownlow medallist Simon Black (57.09 per cent).
Priddis' kicking efficiency (58.2 per cent) is fairly low for a topline midfielder but it beats Hawthorn's Sam Mitchell (57.7 per cent) and the Western Bulldogs' Matthew Boyd (52.5 per cent) – both of whom are expected to be strong contenders for All-Australian selection.
The credentials of Priddis are also likely to be carefully scrutinised in the lead-up to next month's announcement of a 40-man shortlist for the All-Australian team.
On statistics alone, Priddis makes a decent case.

As the Eagles' continue their stunning rise from wooden spooners to top-four hopefuls, Priddis leads the league in handballs (301), sits third in contested possessions (269), ranks fifth in tackles (128), has the ninth most centre clearances (104) and is 11th for overall possessions (485).
His one-time state coach, Chris Waterman, reckons an All-Australian jumper wouldn't be out of place in Priddis' wardrobe.
West Coast premiership player and current Subiaco coach Waterman was in charge of the WA team when a 20-year-old Priddis won a Simpson Medal for best afield against Queensland on the Gold Coast in 2005.
"I don't get to see every AFL game but he (Priddis) wouldn't be out of place on an All-Australian team," Waterman said.
"Before that state game, there was a little bit of a query as to whether he'd even play because we had so many Subiaco players in the side.

"He started on the bench, went on the ground after 10 minutes and finished up with 36 possessions and the medal.
"You knew then he had a good chance to be an AFL player and that, even if it didn't happen, he was going to be a very good WAFL player for a very long time.
"He's a fantastic example to kids of what you can still achieve if you aren't drafted when you are 18."

 

[Mop]

Other comparisons.


Pendlebury, 3.01
Bont, 3.2
P Cripps 3.21
Ginbey 2.92

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

He isn't lazy.

He puts in some dam ordinary defensive efforts in on the regular.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Rookie Me Central's 2024 Phantom AFL Draft

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Would be fantastic to have Reid and Murphy available.
But this is all dependant on Shanahan and Armstrong being taken before our pick.
Surely we take Moraes at our 2nd pick if still available.

 

[amazingjoshy]

https://archive.is/qSuXk

Culley on the radar of Geelong, North and Richmond

I swear if he goes to Geelong and becomes a gun...

 

[Mattman93]

He's tested 3 times this year that I know of.
The one everyone is worried about is when he ran close to a 3.2
I also know he has tested at 2.99 and 3.00 as well.

You're a fan of his, no?

 

[BartBart]

I know the names of the top draftees but not really up to the knowledge as most of you.

I just really hope, despite the usual "best player available" rhetoric that we don't take a forward (small or tall) with the first 2 picks and we don't repeat the drafting of a forward or defender and then pretend they're a mid.

(Considering we have been overstocked with talls for years and we've got Owies & Chsmpion coming in)

 

[WCErevival]

Speed is definitely a worry. We just saw Culley didn't cut it with his speed but unsure what he tested as.

Edit - just found he did 3.3 in 2021 and 3.1 in 2022.

 

[Mop]

Speed is definitely a worry. We just saw Culley didn't cut it with his speed but unsure what he tested as.

Edit - just found he did 3.3 in 2021 and 3.1 in 2022.

3.3 when not drafted initially, down to 3.1 when we took him.

The making of Jai Culley | Dandenong Star Journal

It was the offseason that made Dandenong Stingrays midfielder Jai Culley. The 19-year-old, now seen as a likely prospect for […]

dandenong.starcommunity.com.au

 

[Mop]

https://archive.is/qSuXk

Culley on the radar of Geelong, North and Richmond

I swear if he goes to Geelong and becomes a gun...

As a FP or even a close to goal HF I reckon he has value and could be something.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Speed is definitely a worry. We just saw Culley didn't cut it with his speed but unsure what he tested as.

Edit - just found he did 3.3 in 2021 and 3.1 in 2022.

I honestly think Culley's only feasible chance at success at AFL level is as a 3rd tall forward. He's a decent mark and can launch it from long.
There was never gonna be an opportunity at such a role at the Eagles.
He's too slow to be an outside mid. As an inside mid, he's not physical enough & struggles to find the ball.
He would star as a Greg Clark type at state league level with the slower pace.
It's tough to find success as a big slow mid unless you're like Patrick Cripps or the Bont.

 

[Mop]

I honestly think Culley's only feasible chance at success at AFL level is as a 3rd tall forward. He's a decent mark and can launch it from long.
There was never gonna be an opportunity at such a role at the Eagles.
He's too slow to be an outside mid. As an inside mid, he's not physical enough & struggles to find the ball.
He would star as a Greg Clark type at state league level.
It's tough to find success as a big slow mid unless you're like Patrick Cripps or the Bont.

I share this sentiment. Arguably, he'd be a good role player at a good club, but with us being in dire straights with list quality we just don't have a place for him.
I'd argue he'll have the same issue at North and Richmond, though North at least have some riches in the midfield but lack goal threats, potentially opening up a role in the forward half.

Geelong feel the best fit.

 

[WCE_phil]

Culley's problem is not limited to his speed. Where Ginbey was able to get away with not reading the play well enough in the middle because of his extreme athleticism Culley couldn't get away with it. He was given chances towards the end of the year and just couldn't get near the ball. Was the nail in the coffin.

 

[briztoon]

Would anyone do this trade with Essendon

Trade our F2 and F3 for 28 and 31 before a Kako bid which has already been raised

Assume a Kako bid comes before our pick

Trade pick 12 for the 2xF1 picks Essendon hold (theirs and Melbourne’s)

Gives us 26,28,31 in this draft

But we go into 2025 holding 4x R1 picks - ours, Essendon, Melbourne and Hawthorn. We’d also have R2 and R3 picks attached to Hawthorn

Essendon will lose 28 and 31 matching a Kako bid and are on record as wanting to get back into R1 of the draft after a bid

We get a look at 3 decent picks in this draft and hold what could well be 4 picks in the top 12-14 of next year.

Keys, with all due respect, but that’s reaming Essendon big time, and no way would they ever consider such a trade.

 

[TerryFilk]

Would anyone do this trade with Essendon

Trade our F2 and F3 for 28 and 31 before a Kako bid which has already been raised

Assume a Kako bid comes before our pick

Trade pick 12 for the 2xF1 picks Essendon hold (theirs and Melbourne’s)

Gives us 26,28,31 in this draft

But we go into 2025 holding 4x R1 picks - ours, Essendon, Melbourne and Hawthorn. We’d also have R2 and R3 picks attached to Hawthorn

Essendon will lose 28 and 31 matching a Kako bid and are on record as wanting to get back into R1 of the draft after a bid

We get a look at 3 decent picks in this draft and hold what could well be 4 picks in the top 12-14 of next year.

Of course we would, but Essendon aren’t trading two F1’s for pick 12.

Also, terrified of having 4 1sts and chasing Warner next year, once Clarke and Pyke make a commitment to getting him, you can bet your ass every one of those firsts along with several Hungry Jacks franchises will be on the way to Sydney.

 

[EagleMan87]

From one of the mocks on the D&T board:



Everyone'd be happy with that, right?

 

[new breed]

From one of the mocks on the D&T board:

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Everyone'd be happy with that, right?

Midfielder not seen ....so No .

 

[BartBart]

From one of the mocks on the D&T board:

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Everyone'd be happy with that, right?

Key forward, 2 key defenders and no mids probably makes it a no. And hopefully Champion comes as a rookie.

 

[TerryFilk]

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From one of the mocks on the D&T board:



Everyone'd be happy with that, right?

I’d never watch the sport again

 

[Keys]

Keys, with all due respect, but that’s reaming Essendon big time, and no way would they ever consider such a trade.

Probably

But depends on who’s there still - say one or both of Shanahan or Armstrong

North are said to be keen to trade their F1 to get a talk so if Richmond don’t sell 10 or 11, then good chance North call us

So if Essendon are also keen, and they need a KPF, then they’d have to do better than North’s F1 and theirs or Melbourne’s don’t do that. Maybe they send a F1 plus an F2 instead of both F1 picks. Or we send back Hawthorn’s F2 or pick 26 to even it up

Clubs wanting to get back into R1 will need to pay a premium