List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Drafted

• Bo Allan - Pick 16
• Jobe Shanahan - Pick 30
• Tom Gross - Pick 46
• Lucca Grego - Pick 48
• Hamish Davis - Pick 65
• Malakai Champion - Cat B

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• One on either main OR rookie list to be filled as a SSP selection following train on assessments

Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling

 

[Obeanie1]

Going in. Clarke has no say on any pick at all.

 

[ghostbat12]

First round draft picks last 10 years :

2013 - Dom Sheed
2014 - Liam Duggan
2015 - Traded for Redden
2016 - Venables medically retired
2017 - Brander delisted
2018 - Traded for 2017 R2 picks (Allen, Ryan and Petruccelle)
2019 - Traded for Kelly
2020 - Traded for Kelly
2021 - Campbell Chesser
2022 - Rueben Ginbey and Elijah Hewett
2023 - Harley Reid

Six actual first round picks on our list and pick 12 tonight will make it 7

Richmond will add that many to their list tonight

Not blaming anyone, just saying

With all due respect, Richmond have to replace Bolton, Rioli and baker just to stand still. Even if we leave baker aside and a 50/50 hit ratio, they will burn through 4 picks to replace Bolton and Rioli. Not counting the picks they would have either way.

They may get lucky and hit all of them of course. But history is against them on that.

 

[Cuzz09]

Going to work in an hour....
Finish around 11pm... ‍
not checking anything all night and reading this melty thread... PRICELESS!!!!



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[Happy Mastenator]

I was as angry as everyone else on here with what transpired around the Baker trade and anyone pretending Clarke wasn't reemed at the trade table is kidding themselves.

But I'm starting to swing across to the Obeanie1 wagon that it's become one giant bed wetting exercise now.

Clarke is a list manager and not the guy running the scouting and drafting. ROB had duel roles and it was deliberately split this year, so this pile on about how he's had to be removed from decision making at the draft is unjustified.

Yes, the Baker trade was poor negotiating, but there was a thought process behind it that justifies how it transpired (whether you agree or not is subjective) and it wasn't just a giant whoopsy.
1. Baker will help address the standards at the club and it helped secure Graham for free. He was almost a must get.
2. Rumours that at pick 3 we wouldn't be in a position to draft who we wanted because of the whole Vic "i want to stay near mama" sook mentality.
3. The nature of this draft means we're not losing that much at pick 12 compared to pick 3. There isn't a Judd or Harley in this draft pool and every single player has sufficient deficiencies that there's a real chance there will be a lot of busts or very average players taken at the top end.

Keep up, we've moved on, we are now melting about players we haven't drafted yet.

 

[BartBart]

As an ignorant Victorian who knows nothing about the WAFL . Why are the Beagles so bad?

All the WAFL clubs put massive restrictions on the Eagles so that if everything was going right and players 24-44 were excellent players then we wouldn't dominate the competition.

Given our players in the WAFL have been small in numbers (due to injuries, etc) over the last few years we get pumped weekly and the developing players aren't learning anything and we don't have WAFL Reserves to keep the team at a competitive level.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Going in. Clarke has no say on any pick at all.

Absolutely right. You want to reserve Clarke to be working the phones and negotiating pick swaps. He has form as a top level negotiator and understands value.

 

[Obeanie1]

Given our recent links, Cals late mail and his bro potentially being a train on, I'm tipping Hotton is who we'll end up getting.

Reid at this point would be fairly celebrated on here I reckon. So I'll be surprised if it happens

My issue with Hotton is pretty simple, it's a risk really shouldn't be taking and our medicos don't cover themselves in glory. We aren't a club where injured players have miraculously gotten the best out of themselves (Save Vardy in 2017/18).

Add Hotton and I feel our draft bounty is going to be sitting on the pine for the next 6M. Before all of this happens.


- "Taj is coming off a serious injury so we won't rush his rehabilitation, we'll take a conservative approach and he'll ease back into loading as a long term prospect"

- "Unfortunately Taj has had a setback in his rehabilitation, that's disappointing as he was progressing quite well and we thought he'd turned a corner.."

- "Yeah Taj's knee hasn't really pulled up how we'd like, he'll now seek the advice of an overseas specialist, so we'll put him on the LTI list and on ice for the remainder of the season"

And there you have his first year of development wasted and 2025 cooked.

Also, generally speaking, not playing and being stuck the rehab group is more often than not the first stage of a young player getting homesick and wanting out. Given Hotton ticks both these boxes there's potential for a Perfect StormTM here.



Funnily enough, despite all that I'd still prefer him to Berry

I'd be OK with turning the Hawks F1st into Hotton. Especially if we get his older brother over as well.

As long as we used 12/14 on best available mid.

And used later picks on KP defenders.

Lindsay
Hotton in the early 20's
CHB pick 26ish
Champion

 

[Obeanie1]

Woosha presenting the jumper. Hotton apparently not going to be there though.

Good. Second round is OK to make a risk v reward play.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Nah, Woosh ain’t flying anywhere to NOT hand over a jumper. It’s not going to Hotton, he’s not even going to be in the room. I think it’s Reid or Lindsay and I believe Cal over all other pundits. They are the last two he’s actually settled on for our phantom draft picks

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

So pick 3 is equally poor as pick 15. Don't think so.

Is this spin from an embarrassed club?

It's pick 12, not 15.

And yes, there's probably been close to a dozen players who have been mentioned as top 3 prospects over the last few weeks including Lalor, FOS, Taura, Draper, Reid, Langford, Smith, Smillie, Travaglia & Armstrong.

 

[TerryFilk]

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Nah, Woosh ain’t flying anywhere to NOT hand over a jumper. It’s not going to Hotton, he’s not even going to be in the room. I think it’s Reid or Lindsay and I believe Cal over all other pundits. They are the last two he’s actually settled on for our phantom draft picks

You do realise Cal said this morning he thinks we pick Hotton, right? Said we’re red hot on him and Hotton may even be invited to draft night now.

 

[Obeanie1]

What a joke. Every year it's the same shit.

Weak by minnow clubs at the top end.

Make them pay ffs, it's not hard.

What the joke really is is the AFL already allow a 20% discount.

For presumably to counter clubs bidding early and forcing clubs to pay above market for priority access.

Except no-one bids early. They don't bother.

Another AFL policy that doesn't work as intended.

 

[Monocle]

Cal Twomey mentioned we’re also interested in Oli Hotton (and James Van Es) who were recently delisted by St Kilda. Wonder if we’re looking at keeping the brothers together to ward off homesickness?

The two Hotten brothers and Van Es …. FFS ….. we may as well then draft Noah Mraz with our second picks and change the name of Mineral Resources Park to The Lathlain Park Infirmary.

Have we not learnt anything from drafting and recruiting injured and injury prone players.

 

[BartBart]

It's pick 12, not 15.

And yes, there's probably been close to a dozen players who have been mentioned as top 3 prospects over the last few weeks including Lalor, FOS, Taura, Draper, Reid, Langford, Smith, Smillie, Travaglia & Armstrong.

It will be 15 though.

 

[Chris_6678]

Nah, Woosh ain’t flying anywhere to NOT hand over a jumper. It’s not going to Hotton, he’s not even going to be in the room. I think it’s Reid or Lindsay and I believe Cal over all other pundits. They are the last two he’s actually settled on for our phantom draft picks

Ah good point!

 

[beagles]

It's pick 12, not 15.

And yes, there's probably been close to a dozen players who have been mentioned as top 3 prospects over the last few weeks including Lalor, FOS, Taura, Draper, Reid, Langford, Smith, Smillie, Travaglia & Armstrong.

After the 3 academy picks, it's 15. These were/known prior to the trade period.

You can't spin this. 4 midfielder clearly above the rest and none at 12 to 15

 

[Boohemian]

Didn't Phil say before that he had concocted some plan to get both of the Hotton boys to Carlton?

Probably lends support to the talk of us going after Hotton.

 

[Pwani Magharibi]

If following this club during the last five seasons has taught me nothing else, it's to always expect the worst. Applying this to the draft, if I get my hopes up about us drafting a particular player, either they will already be taken before our pick or the club will overlook them for an injured slider. If I really strongly want us to not draft a particular player, odds on the club will draft them. So I'm trying not to have any opinions at all before the draft and to just welcome to the club whoever we pick and hope that they have a great career for us - good enough to stop us watching picks 3 to 14 in this draft play out the next decade and dreaming about what might have been.

That said, I was interested to see us linked to Ajang Kuol mun in one news article - I'd be happy to take a punt on him with a late pick or in the rookie draft. (Now I've said that, it won't happen of course)

Oh and just quietly: I would love as much as any of us to be privy to the goings on in the inner sanctum of the club, but I find it hard to believe the club would still be engaging the services of someone who had publicly posted what a certain poster has about the club's decision making regarding the coach appointment and trade week (if true).

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Didn't Phil say before that he had concocted some plan to get both of the Hotton boys to Carlton?

Probably lends support to the talk of us going after Hotton.

If taking Hotton we can slide down.

16 and 21 from GWS for pick 12 and F2.

16 for Hotton, 21 and 26 for two good talents.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

If you can imagine the prospect of Hotton without the knee, it’s a very very promising one. It’s unsexy for now as he is in rehab for a while longer, but seeing as though we aren’t winning the flag in the next couple years it really could be great, and I’m sure he’ll recover fine for the long term. It’s just I’ll be a bit flat / less excited for now than if we pick up a mid who will likely be there for R1 at Optus. There’d be far worse picks. I still want Lindsay/TT/Reid/Allan but if I’m honest it’s probably mostly for that pretty flimsy reason

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

After the 3 academy picks, it's 15. These were/known prior to the trade period.

You can't spin this. 4 midfielder clearly above the rest and none at 12 to 15

Ashcroft, Kako and Lombard weren't available to us at pick 3 anyway, so it continues to be pick 12 in the context of this conversation.

 

[CountryLad]

No one’s saying Baker won’t help, we still did not need to completely cave to Richmond’s demands, look at what Geelong did with Smith, we don’t have a backbone.

Except of course Fremantle were offering a pick in the teens. Difference is Smith wanted out to Geelong and with his history no one else jumped in.

Once we committed to Baker it was always going to be more than any of us wanted to give up due to Fremantle having better selections and showing interest in Baker.

Not defending the splitting of pick 3 at all it was terrible. All I’m saying is we didn’t cave we just meet the market.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Finish 3rd last and lose a high quality key defender and end up with picks 12 and 26 only in a supposed strong draft.

Laughable

I'm checking the sheets.

 

[amazingjoshy]

If you can imagine the prospect of Hotton without the knee, it’s a very very promising one. It’s unsexy for now as he is in rehab for a while longer, but seeing as though we aren’t winning the flag in the next couple years it really could be great, and I’m sure he’ll recover fine for the long term. It’s just I’ll be a bit flat / less excited for now than if we pick up a mid who will likely be there for R1 at Optus. There’d be far worse picks. I still want Lindsay/TT/Reid/Allan but if I’m honest it’s probably mostly for that pretty flimsy reason

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The issue (apart from the obvious injury risk) is that players go up and down the draft order all the time based on their final year before being drafted. I know that write up says he was "shooting up the ranks" but had he played past May he might just as easily failed to perform at the champs and dropped in ranking

In what has been consistently reported as a very even draft, I just don't understand why we would take the risk.

But I also haven't spent years watching these kids either

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

If the last 4 years or so has taught us anything, it's that we should have the driest of dry sheets. Drier than any sheets in the AFL.

For shame on you all.