List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

[Keys]

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Drafted

• Bo Allan - Pick 16
• Jobe Shanahan - Pick 30
• Tom Gross - Pick 46
• Lucca Grego - Pick 48
• Hamish Davis - Pick 65
• Malakai Champion - Cat B

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• One on either main OR rookie list to be filled as a SSP selection following train on assessments

Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling

 

[Rowan18]

This part is actually true though.

Clowns wanting us to sell the farm for him next year after doing that exact thing with Kelly and seeing how that's turned out for us are out of their mind.

Warner needs a good system around him and is in between a cherry on top player and prime mover. Disappears out of games too much, goes to water with a tag and certainly not worth what is going to be expected for him on the market. Definitely not with our genius list management team.

Put Warner next to Reid in a midfield and opposition will be really worried. We can support them with a bunch of grunt mids willing to do the blocking and two way running (have already started with Graham and Baker). Hopefully one of our other draftees steps into midfield rotations as well to add some class (Hewett/Hough/R1 2024).

I'd happily trade for him unless the top 10 pick we're giving up is a sure thing like Reid.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Problem with this young fella, we don't have a good ruckman and the Gold standard midfield is a couple of 30+ year olds and Harley. No young gun midfielders underneath Love your optimism though. Me I am a bit more realistic.

No ! I said we had a good No 2 ruckman and need a big mean mutha as No1.
I’m not even taking Yo into consideration when visualising our “ gold star” midfield.Nor Kelly! Hewitt ang Hutch and hopefully our first pick this year. Long is back and Johnston is gunna be a ripper.
Don’t get blinkered! It’s not an “add water and presto” but look ahead optimistically and it looks pretty fine to me.
The instant gratification brigade of which I’m one; have a fair bit resting on Hewitt. I would have taken him with our first pick that year. If you want goal kicking midfielders he’s it!

 

[maverick001]

No ! I said we had a good No 2 ruckman and need a big mean mutha as No1.
I’m not even taking Yo into consideration when visualising our “ gold star” midfield.Nor Kelly! Hewitt ang Hutch and hopefully our first pick this year. Long is back and Johnston is gunna be a ripper.
Don’t get blinkered! It’s not an “add water and presto” but look ahead optimistically and it looks pretty fine to me.
The instant gratification brigade of which I’m one; have a fair bit resting on Hewitt. I would have taken him with our first pick that year. If you want goal kicking midfielders he’s it!

How are you misspelling the shortest player name on our list. Y-E-O. He's been at the club for 11 YEARS.
While I'm at it, it's Hewett, not Hewitt

 

[eaglesnutcase]

How are you misspelling the shortest player name on our list. Y-E-O. He's been at the club for 11 YEARS.
While I'm at it, it's Hewett, not Hewitt

Woopie f**king doo!
I know football!
You know spelling!
Go figure!

 

[Keys]

The absolute doomsday scenario as posted is if no talls other than Tauru are taken before our pick, meaning the top 10 mids/running players are gone. That seems unlikely though as Richmond need a KPF and you’d think they’d take who they consider to be the best in the draft with pick 10 or 11, rather than wait until pick 18

So at a minimum at least one of Travaglia, Lindsay, Allan or Reid will be there with Reid looming as the potential slider from that group

If that’s the case then he’s the 2024 version of JTR



He looks fine

And if he gets taken then one of Lindsay or Allan will be there instead

 

[Notmuchofanexpert]

The absolute doomsday scenario as posted is if no talls other than Tauru are taken before our pick, meaning the top 10 mids/running players are gone. That seems unlikely though as Richmond need a KPF and you’d think they’d take who they consider to be the best in the draft with pick 10 or 11, rather than wait until pick 18

So at a minimum at least one of Travaglia, Lindsay, Allan or Reid will be there with Reid looming as the potential slider from that group

If that’s the case then he’s the 2024 version of JTR



He looks fine

And if he gets taken then one of Lindsay or Allan will be there instead

Agree, any one of those four will be a good selection. If it is Reid I’ll be just as stoked as the others. Two or three months ago people were bemoaning that we wouldn’t get him, now that it looks likely he is too slow/small/soft or whatever. Looks like he has the class and footy IQ of a pro, could be a Sam Mitchell type for us, which next to Harley and Hewett would be a good mix.

 

[shooshka]

The absolute doomsday scenario as posted is if no talls other than Tauru are taken before our pick, meaning the top 10 mids/running players are gone. That seems unlikely though as Richmond need a KPF and you’d think they’d take who they consider to be the best in the draft with pick 10 or 11, rather than wait until pick 18

So at a minimum at least one of Travaglia, Lindsay, Allan or Reid will be there with Reid looming as the potential slider from that group

If that’s the case then he’s the 2024 version of JTR



He looks fine

And if he gets taken then one of Lindsay or Allan will be there instead

Surely if the 2nd and 3rd best KPP’s are on the board (guys who are considered in or around the top 10) we shop the pick.

It is an even group around there for smalls, we could shift back 4/5 spots and almost certainly get the player we wanted.

Obviously assuming that only Tauru goes prior to our pick as a tall, which I consider unlikely, but if so then we should split.


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[mattyc75]

Agree, any one of those four will be a good selection. If it is Reid I’ll be just as stoked as the others. Two or three months ago people were bemoaning that we wouldn’t get him, now that it looks likely he is too slow/small/soft or whatever. Looks like he has the class and footy IQ of a pro, could be a Sam Mitchell type for us, which next to Harley and Hewett would be a good mix.

It's a pretty standard formula on here. Really want a guy, just what we need but probably can't get him. Then when it's a lot more likely we can get him then well he's not got this, doesn't do that . Rinse and repeat

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[TheNewAnchor]

There's too much posturing and prophesising on here around our early draft picks, whatever happens, happens. I'm more interested in the later picks, everyone likes a lucky dip.

After watching the last couple of rounds of the Tyson/Paul fight yesterday I'm glad our sporting environment and media hasn't descended into the abyss that America has created...........what a sh@$ show!

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Just to piss everyone off. I really hope we get to 12 and North come knocking with their future first.

I would be ok with it so long as we were able to get a pick back in this draft. NM don’t have that so we’d need to shop a F2

It would be hard to take if Lindsay, Reid, TT or Allan were on the board.

 

[briztoon]

I would be ok with it so long as we were able to get a pick back in this draft. NM don’t have that so we’d need to shop a F2

It would be hard to take if Lindsay, Reid, TT or Allan were on the board.

What type of player would you be looking for in the second round, if you were able to trade back in?

 

[Keys]

Surely if the 2nd and 3rd best KPP’s are on the board (guys who are considered in or around the top 10) we shop the pick.

It is an even group around there for smalls, we could shift back 4/5 spots and almost certainly get the player we wanted.

Obviously assuming that only Tauru goes prior to our pick as a tall, which I consider unlikely, but if so then we should split.


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If all those top 10 running players are all gone then I agree it would be time to consider offers. Potential buyers-


• North might offer their F1 which would be our best option but would require us finding a way to trade back on to get a couple more later picks in R2/R3
• GWS 15,21 and 37 for 12 and 26
• Sydney 19 and 22
• Bulldogs 17 and 25

 

[Keys]

What type of player would you be looking for in the second round, if you were able to trade back in?

Preferably a good one

But depending on where in R2 we get another pick, the likes of Davis, Ough Boxshall, Clarke, Alger or Barrat/OFarrell if we wanted a KPD after taking one of that first group with 26

 

[TOA.]

I dont want an F1 as I have no faith in Clark and Pyke keeping hold of any of them next year in a trade for Warner. Bascially everything we have will be scooped up by the Swans but at least we'll be honouring our commitment to Chad.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I think people are looking for hope that just doesn’t exist

We stuffed this up big time and it isn’t recoverable.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

I think people are looking for hope that just doesn’t exist

We stuffed this up big time and it isn’t recoverable.

That's why people are still annoyed, and I suspect next year will still be annoyed. And five years down the track if we don't have enough firepower to go all the way, this is probably the moment everyone looks back to.

It's a monumentally bad decision, regardless of outcome. There's no astute decision making here, it's just a clown who promised his mates he'd pay "fair" value for Baker. It was overs by a long way. If somehow we come out of this breaking even or better (i.e. we trade in Lindsay, Reid, TT, Allan and they end up as good as the two players out of Smith, FOS, Lalor, Draper who don't get taken at 2), it's nothing but luck. The other positive outcome is find alternate routes to a flag. But rest assured, without the benefit of hindsight, this is a crazy reckless decision. That's not happening under Trev and Toddy's watch.

 

[TOA.]

I think people are looking for hope that just doesn’t exist

We stuffed this up big time and it isn’t recoverable.

If Lindsay (preferably), TT or Reid make it throiugh and we take one, then we have salvaged something. If not, and we have to go tall because all mids go before us, then the decision to take back will turn out to be the disaster many thought. Pressure is on Clark, but he's holding his breath during the draft.

 

[ronpingwins]

Trainor at our 2nd would be a fantastic pickup if it could actually happen, wouldn’t mind trading up a couple of picks if necessary. Great interceptor and elite kick.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If Lindsay (preferably), TT or Reid make it throiugh and we take one, then we have salvaged something. If not, and we have to go tall because all mids go before us, then the decision to take back will turn out to be the disaster many thought. Pressure is on Clark, but he's holding his breath during the draft.

That’s what I think is inventing a good result that just isn’t. Lindsay is a massive downgrade on a guy like FOS. Lindsay will at best be a HBF for first few years when what we are desperate for is a midfielder. If the plan is for Baker to play HB, Duggan at HB, then we just have Lindsay as a third option in a role that which has 2 30 plus year olds running around in its midfield

The one of those 3 who could rescue this shit show is Reid but he ain’t sliding that far. Even dumber is post Lindsay we now want to target Luke Trainor because we didn’t bother going a mature backup in the rookie draft. Add Champion in as a small forward when we traded in a highly paid overrated small forward and you basically got the most unbalanced trade period of all time. At best we get 1 midfielder out of this…. It’s laughable

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

If Lindsay (preferably), TT or Reid make it throiugh and we take one, then we have salvaged something. If not, and we have to go tall because all mids go before us, then the decision to take back will turn out to be the disaster many thought. Pressure is on Clark, but he's holding his breath during the draft.

That player has to end up in the same league as the player we miss out on (one out of Smith, FOS, Lalor, Draper who don't get taken top 2). The problem we have is without a crystal ball, all we have is historical data - which says the chances of a gun is drastically less at pick 12 compared to pick 3.

Smith, FOS, Lalor, Draper - historical data will show it's likely 2 of these will be absolute guns, another probably an A grade, the other solid..

Lindsay, TT, Reid, Allan - historical data will show it's likely 1 of these will be A grade, one solid, and 2 duds.

Or thereabouts.

It's an astonishing bad decision.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Trainor at our 2nd would be a fantastic pickup if it could actually happen, wouldn’t mind trading up a couple of picks if necessary. Great interceptor and elite kick.

Hate to break it to you but that ain’t the plan. Plan is to trade our 2025 2nds to get another top 25 pick to get Trainor…

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

That player has to end up in the same league as the player we miss out on (one out of Smith, FOS, Lalor, Draper who don't get taken top 2). The problem we have is without a crystal ball, all we have is historical data - which says the chances of a gun is drastically less at pick 12 compared to pick 3.

Smith, FOS, Lalor, Draper - historical data will show it's likely 2 of these will be absolute guns, another probably an A grade, the other solid..

Lindsay, TT, Reid, Allan - historical data will show it's likely 1 of these will be A grade, one solid, and 2 duds.

Or thereabouts.

It's an astonishing bad decision.

Disagree on this in the sense I don’t need a crystal ball to tell me the difference between drafting a half back vs drafting a midfielder

Talents only one aspect of it all. We still have the issue of drafting players that leave our core weaknesses exposed.

 

[Obeanie1]

This part is actually true though.

Clowns wanting us to sell the farm for him next year after doing that exact thing with Kelly and seeing how that's turned out for us are out of their mind.

Warner needs a good system around him and is in between a cherry on top player and prime mover. Disappears out of games too much, goes to water with a tag and certainly not worth what is going to be expected for him on the market. Definitely not with our genius list management team.

Sell the farm means what exactly?

Kelly cost 2 late 1sts and 2 2nds with 3rds coming back.

We didnt have top 10 picks to trade dso it cost multiple later picks.

That isnt the case next year. If we hold a top 5 pick that and another future 1st will be enough. Likely with later picks coming back.

 

[Obeanie1]

Trainor at our 2nd would be a fantastic pickup if it could actually happen, wouldn’t mind trading up a couple of picks if necessary. Great interceptor and elite kick.

Our interest in Trainor is a tad left field.

I just dont see him going that late even with concussion queries.

If he does slide to 30 then those concussion issues must be serious.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Disagree on this in the sense I don’t need a crystal ball to tell me the difference between drafting a half back vs drafting a midfielder

Talents only one aspect of it all. We still have the issue of drafting players that leave our core weaknesses exposed.

Reid, Lindsay, and TT are midfielders. TT had others in front of him so had to settle for HB. Allan is a halfback who has moved to the midfield. He plays like a midfielder to me.

The problem is they're not the top tier. There's 700 odd players in the AFL. The best 700 aged between 19-33. That's the best players out of 15 age groups. In every draft, 70 kids out of one age group try to cut it in the big pool of 15 age groups. Only a small amount will make it. We know that there is a skew towards the top players in each draft making it.

So whether the kids around pick 12 are HBF's or don't make it, it's the same thing. They're not the top talent and have a lesser chance of cutting it in the big pool.

The problem we have is emotional thinkers. They see a player play, know his name, and get attached. Out of the group we're in, I like Lindsay. But I don't know if he'll make it. I don't know if he'll end up better than TT or Allan. I don't know if he'll end up as good as the Smith, FOS etc.

The only thing I know is that the chances of pick a dud at 12 is much higher, and the chance of getting an A+ is much lower. People need to stop think emotionally. The data is smacking us in the face. Why does that campaigner Clarke not see it?