List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Keys said:
If Josh Smillie slid all the way to our pick, would people be happy about that?

It’s unlikely, but possible

Ignoring FS/academy bids :

1 - Lalor (Richmond)
2 - Tauru (North can’t find a buyer for 2 but go a KPP over a mid anyway)
3 - O’Sullivan (Carlton)
4 - Draper (Adelaide)
5 - Smith (Melbourne)
6 - Reid (Richmond - complimentary mid for Lalor)
7 - Armstrong (St Kilda - need a KPF to support King)
8 - Travaglia (St Kilda)
9 - Allan (Melbourne are rumoured to be keen)
10 - Langford (Richmond to round out their midfield)
11 - Shanahan (Richmond - next best KPF and might not want to risk him lasting to 18, already have 3 mids. Alternatively they go Lindsay)
12 - Smillie (West Coast)

Relies heavily on North going early on Tauru and also Melbourne going Allan over Smillie/Langford

Richmond could pick Smillie over Langford which only means Langford then slides to our pick instead

Personally think it would be an unanticipated bonus and go some way to repairing the damage of trading pick 3 (good luck rather than good planning to be fair)

Happy for anyone to point out flaws in my logic
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Two things, I've heard strong rumours on Tigers keenness on Smillie. Early in the year when he was in white hot form, it was with their first pick, then it's quite obviously cooled to a later pick!

I think they'll pull the trigger at 6, if not he ain't getting past 10.

He's a bit of a Luke Hodge type, so can play mid or half back and I think he'd slot straight into their backline.

If by chance he did, I would not hesitate.

I think the Saints take a mid with one of their picks, so he'd likely go there or maybe Langford.
 
Goomba1973 said:
As harsh as it might sound, I would be looking at Oscar free agency at the end of next season, our tall forward stocks are pretty good even without Oscar . Both Brisbane and Sydney will throw the house at him. If our if we finish 3rd last again that will get us pick 4. Go into next year with pick 3 4 and the hawks F1.
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You don’t let Oscar go for pick 4. There’s a good chance pick 4, not only doesn’t become as good as Oscar, but you also waste years of development which we can’t afford to do.

You need to give up the lower tier player like a Barrass / Mackay type which doesn’t hurt the team as much but still gets you a first rounder
 
We_The_West said:
My issue with having Smillie as a mid is not his ability to impact clearance, it is post clearance that concerns me.

The importance of team defense and two way running in the modern game can't be played down, and this is what worries me about Smillie as his speed and endurance have question marks.

I already worry that Reid is not a 2 way runners or defensively minded, and there are not many balanced 195cm mids that have made it in the AFL. I can think of Cripps, Bont and Blakey, with Jarrod Berry and Noah Anderson at 192cm....

I agree and think the 15-25 area of the draft is not appealing types of players for us, I think there will be a plethora of great value pick ups in the 25-50 range.

We also drafted Clay Hall and Jack Hutchinson (both 190cm) who are projected to play mid and both we have barely seen and have large upside.

Call me crazy but I really hope the outside player we are pinning our hopes and dreams on is already on our list.

Brady Hough

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This man is a gun lockdown defender, but we need to unleash his 191cm frame into the midfield.

** We also have a string bean 196cm Ryan Maric with elite skills who could chug down some protein powder and develop into Darcy Moore.
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His speed and endurance were actually ok from the combine, he was pretty much just over the 3 sec mark for 20m sprint and from memory was around 6:30km for 2km. I remember because it surprised me a bit, and don't forget in the context of things he's 195cm!!!

He's accumulation around the ground is very good, I wouldn't be concerned at all.
 

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Mulldogg said:
So with the delisted free agent period opening today is there a chance we could have Jack Carroll and/or Jaxon Prior on our list by the end of next week?
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Don't really want either of them!

I want Ethan Phillips and Knobel, will he have the kahunas to take Knobel. I reckon we won't.

Parfitt I wouldn't mind either.
 
If anyone from the top group of mids will slide, its Smillie IMO. Right or wrongly big bodied slower mids are historically undervalued in the draft and trades. Whilst he is not exactly what we need i think we would just have to take the plunge.
 
Eastcoasteagle said:
Don't really want either of them!

I want Ethan Phillips and Knobel, will he have the kahunas to take Knobel. I reckon we won't.

Parfitt I wouldn't mind either.
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No way we would take Knobel. We are far too nice. Gotta honour Freo's commitment to pick him up again...

We are like the nice kid in the sandpit who sits in the corner and gets his lunch taken by the other kids (thinking he's actually giving it to make friends) and those friends laugh behind his back.
 
Eastcoasteagle said:
Don't really want either of them!

I want Ethan Phillips and Knobel, will he have the kahunas to take Knobel. I reckon we won't.

Parfitt I wouldn't mind either.
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What is the opposite to feather in cap?

If Clarke wants to make his mark, pick Knobel and join the swingingdicksclub
 
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Eastcoasteagle said:
His speed and endurance were actually ok from the combine, he was pretty much just over the 3 sec mark for 20m sprint and from memory was around 6:30km for 2km. I remember because it surprised me a bit, and don't forget in the context of things he's 195cm!!!

He's accumulation around the ground is very good, I wouldn't be concerned at all.
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Agreed. Smillie is actually a very good prospect athletically for his height. The results of Stumpf (2.815 20m) and Cochran (6:05 2km) are not normal for 196cm kids and in most other years I think more would be made of Smillie’s results given he’s in the top bracket of mids at his size.
 
6285sutto said:
These comments of moving Hough to the mid field seem like crazy talk to me. We finally find someone can play/excell in the lock down role and you want to move him ? Who would replace him ? Ryan? Reminds me of putting Allen in the ruck when he m started becoming a good forward and booting bags of goals.
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It's crazy to use 2nd round picks on lock down defenders.

That is the position where failed midfielders and quality half backs who weren't quite up to it make a career.

In other words we are hoping Hough has a higher ceiling than being a good lock down defender.
 
AsterixTheGaul said:
What is the opposite to feather in cap?

If Clarke wants to mark his mark, pick Knobel and join the swingingdicksclub
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Let's just hope that some kent slides.

Don't care who it is, Smilie, Trevaglia, Langford, whatevs. But a highly rated top end talent, particularly a midfielder in an even draft sliding to our toilet pick would make coughing up pick 3 a lot more bearable for everyone.

If nobody slides, you'd expect Lindsay to be the clear choice, and i hope Clarke see's it that way.



Carroll being announced as a DFA signing in the coming days (because there's really no point in him training on as a SSP) would also tick a box as far as midfield depth in the "Right age bracketTM" goes. That bloke could almost start round 1.
 

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Obeanie1 said:
He signed an extension.

Maric is being p2layed on the wing. IMO would be an excellent intercept 3rd defender at 196cm.

Focusing on the talls early in a rebuild is smart drafting. Not all will make it. We currently have a few who cant all play in the main 22 at the same time. Injury and form takes care of that. And having 6 talls fighting for 3 or 4 spots. Is also a good thing.

If our problem is we have 6 talls fully fit, in form and pushing hard to make the best 22. How is that a bad problem?
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I agree it's a good problem to have, but it is a problem. Getting talls early is smart drafting and getting a heap of talls and seeing who flakes out and who makes it is also smart. No issues there. But if too many make it it becomes a problem holding onto them all, especially if 80% of them were drafted as forwards and you actually prefer for some to be retrained to become defenders.

Waterman, Allen, Maric, J Williams and Archer Ried look to all be best 22 options as tall forwards. Thats almost enough tall forwards to play AFL, Wafl and reserves. We don't have a WAFL reserves side so we can't even develop half of these guys in matchplay. Ontop of that we also have Bailey Williams, Cal Jamo and Coen Livo as depth in that position as forward rucks. Enough forwards for 4 teams technically. Sure you can play some of those guys in the ruck, but we don't have enough teams to develop our actual rucks as it is.

For arguments sake an aging Gov would make a good depth forward option as well and Barnett and Flynn could probably play up there in an emergency. Thats what, 12 tall forward options? Kinda crazy on a list of 44 players. Meanwhile our 2 best defenders are virtually made of glass and the two guys who are depth there get on the park even less. And that's all but 4 [really its 3] KPD options. So currently 3-4 times more kew forward options than defence.

Clearly some of those forwards/rucks should go back [and some should find new homes] but how do you actually develop a Maric or Barnett or Reid as a key back without cutting your nose off, Bazzo and Jamo are already taking up those KPD beagles spots.

If the list size was 52 then we'd be about right for talls in the squad I reckon, IF we had a Wafl reserves side to play them in or went back to distributing players around to WAFL clubs. We don't have that though, so it's kind of a disaster. We can afford to turn maybe 1 person into a key defender at WAFL level alongside Bazzo. Probably shouldn't be Jamo in that case so that's his career done then.

Thinking all this through, I personally feel it's just a pipe dream that we're going to turn anyone from this list into a key defender. But lets say there is a 20% chance out of the 10 or so blokes behind Allen and Waterman someone can be turned into a serviceable key back, there is probably a greater than 50% chance 4 plus of them can be turned into key forwards, and then also an 80% chance Oscar Allen can go back and immediately impact as a key defender and grow over the next 2-3 years into an elite defender. The right move seems to be go with the percentages.

Most importantly, Allen back allows our 2026 side to contend if they need to.

Spine of Jake, J Williams, [Flynn, B Williams or Barnett] Gov, Allen in a side where Reid is on the cusp of his prime, Baker Graham, Kelly, Yeo, Owies, Duggan all still best 22. Likes of Ginbey, Hewett, Hough, Maric, Hutchinon all solid contributors. Plenty of genuine depth coming from below. It looks to me like we are going to have a peak there before going into a transition again. I'm not convinced we have the players or can get the players in order to avoid a possible dip, but I'm quite convinced that this list in 2026 and 2027 is going to rise to similar heights as the 2011/2012 Eagles sides. And we might just be good enough to grab something there. Particularly with an extra home game [thanks North]. Seems to me he club see's this being exactly how it plays out too, as it fits our list management approach this off season perfectly.
 
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eaglevision said:
Should have made that clear, possibly Lindsay if we don’t get Travaglia.

Travaglia and Oliver depends how we view Travaglia in terms of position, he may start on a wing. It’s possible that him and Oliver are both best available at our pick 12 and 26, in which case I’d have no hesitation taking both.

Agree with you on Hough. If we can get Starcevich next year Hough will go into a different role which could be further up the ground. He’s going to be a very good player.
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You think TT will be there? You previously had no hope because Saints apparently red hot on him.
I’ve been hearing saints are right into tauru who could get to them given north split 2 ( and richmond don’t give up 6)
 
braddalzielleoursaviour said:
You think TT will be there? You previously had no hope because Saints apparently red hot on him.
I’ve been hearing saints are right into tauru who could get to them given north split 2 ( and richmond don’t give up 6)
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I don’t think Tobie will be there. He is best case scenario, would love for Saints to pivot from what I’ve heard to a tall. I do know they think there will be some good midfield talent later on the draft which might explain the noise about trading one of their picks. Still expect them to take Travaglia with the other one.
 
Dark Sharks said:
Let's just hope that some kent slides.

Don't care who it is, Smilie, Trevaglia, Langford, whatevs. But a highly rated top end talent, particularly a midfielder in an even draft sliding to our toilet pick would make coughing up pick 3 a lot more bearable for everyone.

If nobody slides, you'd expect Lindsay to be the clear choice, and i hope Clarke see's it that way.



Carroll being announced as a DFA signing in the coming days (because there's really no point in him training on as a SSP) would also tick a box as far as midfield depth in the "Right age bracketTM" goes. That bloke could almost start round 1.
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I don't understand why he was delisted ? Good young player with pretty good skills and definitely puts in. I think he is perfect for us and is best 22 I would have thought ?
 
Wooshaaaa said:
What's the latest on sheeds injury?

Is it possible he pulls the pin if he can't get a pre season in? I gather if he does medially retire at that point he gets payed out and a list spot opens up?

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The club has up until pre draft list lodgement if he was going to be medically retired and open up a list spot. He had surgery quite recently so it’s unlikely (but possible) a case could be made for him to be medically retired before the draft. If he doesn’t respond well over summer and we need an extra list spot it may be revisited before the SSP or MSD.
 
sharps24 said:
I agree it's a good problem to have, but it is a problem. Getting talls early is smart drafting and getting a heap of talls and seeing who flakes out and who makes it is also smart. No issues there. But if too many make it it becomes a problem holding onto them all, especially if 80% of them were drafted as forwards and you actually prefer for some to be retrained to become defenders.

Waterman, Allen, Maric, J Williams and Archer Ried look to all be best 22 options as tall forwards. Thats almost enough tall forwards to play AFL, Wafl and reserves. We don't have a WAFL reserves side so we can't even develop half of these guys in matchplay. Ontop of that we also have Bailey Williams, Cal Jamo and Coen Livo as depth in that position as forward rucks. Enough forwards for 4 teams technically. Sure you can play some of those guys in the ruck, but we don't have enough teams to develop our actual rucks as it is.

For arguments sake an aging Gov would make a good depth forward option as well and Barnett and Flynn could probably play up there in an emergency. Thats what, 12 tall forward options? Kinda crazy on a list of 44 players. Meanwhile our 2 best defenders are virtually made of glass and the two guys who are depth there get on the park even less. And that's all but 4 [really its 3] KPD options. So currently 3-4 times more kew forward options than defence.

Clearly some of those forwards/rucks should go back [and some should find new homes] but how do you actually develop a Maric or Barnett or Reid as a key back without cutting your nose off, Bazzo and Jamo are already taking up those KPD beagles spots.

If the list size was 52 then we'd be about right for talls in the squad I reckon, IF we had a Wafl reserves side to play them in or went back to distributing players around to WAFL clubs. We don't have that though, so it's kind of a disaster. We can afford to turn maybe 1 person into a key defender at WAFL level alongside Bazzo. Probably shouldn't be Jamo in that case so that's his career done then.

Thinking all this through, I personally feel it's just a pipe dream that we're going to turn anyone from this list into a key defender. But lets say there is a 20% chance out of the 10 or so blokes behind Allen and Waterman someone can be turned into a serviceable key back, there is probably a greater than 50% chance 4 plus of them can be turned into key forwards, and then also an 80% chance Oscar Allen can go back and immediately impact as a key defender and grow over the next 2-3 years into an elite defender. The right move seems to be go with the percentages.

Most importantly, Allen back allows our 2026 side to contend if they need to.

Spine of Jake, J Williams, [Flynn, B Williams or Barnett] Gov, Allen in a side where Reid is on the cusp of his prime, Baker Graham, Kelly, Yeo, Owies, Duggan all still best 22. Likes of Ginbey, Hewett, Hough, Maric, Hutchinon all solid contributors. Plenty of genuine depth coming from below. It looks to me like we are going to have a peak there before going into a transition again. I'm not convinced we have the players or can get the players in order to avoid a possible dip, but I'm quite convinced that this list in 2026 and 2027 is going to rise to similar heights as the 2011/2012 Eagles sides. And we might just be good enough to grab something there. Particularly with an extra home game [thanks North]. Seems to me he club see's this being exactly how it plays out too, as it fits our list management approach this off season perfectly.
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Tall defenders

Gov 32
Harry 25
Jamieson 23
Bazzo 21
Maric 21

Ginbey 194cm 21
Hough 190cm 21

We draft another kid.

Bring in a semi mature 25 yrs or younger DFA for depth.

That would be 9 defenders 190cm or taller.

Without moving anyone else other than Maric to defense.
 
Obeanie1 said:
Tall defenders

Gov 32
Harry 25
Jamieson 23
Bazzo 21
Maric 21

Ginbey 194cm 21
Hough 190cm 21

We draft another kid.

Bring in a semi mature 25 yes or younger DFA for depth.

That would be 9 defenders 190cm or taller.
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Whatever we’ve fed Ginbey over spring needs to be made available to the entire list.
 

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