List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Drafted

• Bo Allan - Pick 16
• Jobe Shanahan - Pick 30
• Tom Gross - Pick 46
• Lucca Grego - Pick 48
• Hamish Davis - Pick 65
• Malakai Champion - Cat B

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Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling

 

[mattyc75]

Actually looks like you do.

The Crystal ball of doom and gloom.

So one minute I was unsure and indecisive. The next I have a crystal ball?


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[archiemoses]

Bailey Williams is the obvious one to play back.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Would rather we grow some balls and use top 3 picks before we worry about drafting some Irishman.

 

[stallon]

We were a long way better than in 2023 when we barely had enough players to pick from at stages haha

 

[Dark Sharks]

Bailey Williams is the obvious one to play back.

For the Beagles*

 

[chaddy22]

If all are fit B Williams will likely play ahead of both of them.

yeahnah

 

[Godfather32]

Bailey Williams is the obvious one to play back.

In Victoria?

 

[southcoast]

Have we done anything with delisted free agents - or are we waiting in line again?


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[stallon]

Agree to disagree, it's clear nothing will convince you Waterman had an objectively better year.

I do think Waterman had a better year, but im not going to solely put it down to Watermans ability rather than different game conditions, and how we used them.

Just for my own interest I looked into i50s, marks and goals and the like.

We had 38 more marks inside 50 in 2024, from 61 more entries. It's not a lot really. Whats wild is, scored 176 more points from those extra entries, meaning for every 2 additional entries this year we gained a goal. I'm not convinced the quality of the entries was all that much different, something else was going on. In 2024 40 less i50's from Kelly 60 more from Yeo, 50 less from Shuey and Hurn, 60 from Reid. Not exactly apples and oranges in the delivery stakes, more like much of a muchness.

Yeo and Reids inside 50s often were burst from clearance, giving our forwards better opportunity. Was a lot less of that last year with Kelly on his own more often than not.

Team took a mark every 4.5 entries in 2024, a mark every 5 entries in 2023. Oscar took about 1 mark per 20 entries in 23 and 1 mark in every 18 entries in 24. Jake took one for every 14 entries in 24. Jake's ratio of contested marks was higher, took 1 more contested grab from 3 less games. Did the team look for Jake more than they did Oscar though? Or give him better delivery? No and no imo, we'll get to that. The improvement came because had more targets up forward there so we took more marks and halved more contests, which resulted in kicking more goals. Also Yeo and Reid kicked 20 between them so that helped as well. Shared the load as I said in the previous post.

Oscar plays different to Waterman. Waterman runs and works his opponent very well in a 1v1. Oscar doesnt have that running ability to has to play with multiple defenders impacting contests quite often.

The stat that tells the story I think is free's for. Because while each of them kicked 53.23 in their year at FF, Oscar somehow managed to get 29 free kicks to Jakes 11. Thats 1 more than Kennedy got in 2015 when he kicked 80 goals and took double the i50 marks. That would suggest that Oscar was marking the ball less per entry in 2023, the extra 20 free kicks probably indicates it was coming to him a hell of a lot when he's wasn't marking the ball.

For us to have kicked 180 more points from just 60 extra entries you'd have to think that with Oscar getting bulk free kicks he's finding himself out of position a lot. Clearly he was being used more in 2023 than Jake was in 2024, by a significant margin. He doesn't work as hard to get into position which doesn't help, but our players had eyes only for Oscar and easy to see why. No Waterman, no Jack Williams, no Cripps, no Ryan. Had a great year without a lot of help up there, there's no knock on him for that. But this narrative that he had less opportunity last year or delivery was different or if he was fit this year he would have kicked more goals than Jake is just not accurate. Delivery was sometimes bad because sometimes he was the wrong option [but maybe only option], and he played 11 games this year in the same side as Waterman with Simmo giving him his FF spot back from the jump [in the end I guess you would say they shared it] and anyone is free to pull up and compare their stats, you'll find that while Jake dropped off after Allen came back he still out performed him in the exact same forward line. It was a better year, he's reached a higher standard, saying anything other than that is cope.

Fortunately, you'd expect both have career best seasons ahead of them. Hopefully several each.

If Oscar is getting frees then that indicates that hes in position and defenders are being forced to blunder to try to stop him.
When hes the only target he would be copping way more attention, it was really only Darling down there with him who really wasnt that dangerous in a marking contest in 2023

 

[stallon]

Surely we have another year of looking at how Barnett, Jamo, Bazzo and Archer turn out before we really start putting our forwards to the backline.

Giving Oscar some basic training in the backline(as emergency cover mid-game) would be prudent but I wouldnt rush on the others just yet. If we find out Barnett cant play KPD at all, Jamo is gone, and Bazzo isnt performing then yeah look at moving somebody.
Should draft a KPD this year or position ourselves to get Cody Curtin next year which should cover us long term.

 

[Monocle]

If all are fit B Williams will likely play ahead of both of them.

If J Williams improves as much this coming season, as he did last season, the other two will be fighting for a supporting role, come mid season and a list spot by years end.

 

[Godfather32]

If J Williams improves as much this coming season, as he did last season, the other two will be fighting for a supporting role, come mid season and a list spot by years end.

He reminds me a hell of a lot of Jason Ball

 

[Monocle]

He reminds me a hell of a lot of Jason Ball

Lot more physicality to his game than Ball ever had.

Jack has so much upside, its exciting and I have high hopes for him, once he fill out his chest and arms, he is going to be one seriously big unit.

Come season 2027 and 2028, I expect him to start being a really impactful player on our list.

 

[TerryFilk]

Had a shot at a first round mock draft, it’s hard to do knowing that Richmond will definitely trade 1-2 of their picks and North probably split pick 2, but ignoring those things, this is how I see it playing out.

Pick 1: Richmond - Sam Lalor
Pick 2: Brisbane (matched North’s bid) - Levi Ashcroft
Pick 3: North Melbourne - Alex Tauru
Pick 4: Carlton - Finn O’Sullivan
Pick 5: Adelaide - Sid Draper
Pick 6: Melbourne - Harvey Langford
Pick 7: Richmond - Jagga Smith
Pick 8: St.Kilda - Josh Smillie
Pick 9: Gold Coast (matched Saints bid) - Leo Lombard
Pick 10: St.Kilda - Murphy Reid
Pick 11: Melbourne - Bo Allan
Pick 12: Essendon (matched Tigers bid) - Isaac Kako
Pick 13: Richmond - Harry Armstrong
Pick 14: Richmond - Tobie Travaglia
Pick 15: West Coast - Xavier Lindsay
Pick 16: Port Adelaide - Joe Berry
Pick 17: Fremantle - Jesse Dattoli
Pick 18: GWS - Taj Hotton
Pick 19: GWS - Jobe Shanahan
Pick 20: Brisbane (matched Bulldogs bid) - Sam Marshall
Pick 21: Western Bulldogs - Oliver Hannaford
Pick 22: Richmond - Luke Trainor
Pick 23: Sydney - Jack Whitlock
Pick 24: Richmond - Alex Dodson
Pick 25: GWS - Cooper Hynes
Pick 26: Sydney - Christian Moraes
Pick 27: Richmond - Jasper Alger

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

https://archive.md/DJna5

Suggests St Kilda/Dees/Tigers all super keen on Allan and probably won't be available for us. Not sure if it's actual intel or just guessing based on the WA talent manager interview.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Most recent rankings/phantom

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Had a shot at a first round mock draft, it’s hard to do knowing that Richmond will definitely trade 1-2 of their picks and North probably split pick 2, but ignoring those things, this is how I see it playing out.

Pick 1: Richmond - Sam Lalor
Pick 2: Brisbane (matched North’s bid) - Levi Ashcroft
Pick 3: North Melbourne - Alex Tauru
Pick 4: Carlton - Finn O’Sullivan
Pick 5: Adelaide - Sid Draper
Pick 6: Melbourne - Harvey Langford
Pick 7: Richmond - Jagga Smith
Pick 8: St.Kilda - Josh Smillie
Pick 9: Gold Coast (matched Saints bid) - Leo Lombard
Pick 10: St.Kilda - Murphy Reid
Pick 11: Melbourne - Bo Allan
Pick 12: Essendon (matched Tigers bid) - Isaac Kako
Pick 13: Richmond - Harry Armstrong
Pick 14: Richmond - Tobie Travaglia
Pick 15: West Coast - Xavier Lindsay
Pick 16: Port Adelaide - Joe Berry
Pick 17: Fremantle - Jesse Dattoli
Pick 18: GWS - Taj Hotton
Pick 19: GWS - Jobe Shanahan
Pick 20: Brisbane (matched Bulldogs bid) - Sam Marshall
Pick 21: Western Bulldogs - Oliver Hannaford
Pick 22: Richmond - Luke Trainor
Pick 23: Sydney - Jack Whitlock
Pick 24: Richmond - Alex Dodson
Pick 25: GWS - Cooper Hynes
Pick 26: Sydney - Christian Moraes
Pick 27: Richmond - Jasper Alger

I also think Lalor goes #1.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Had a shot at a first round mock draft, it’s hard to do knowing that Richmond will definitely trade 1-2 of their picks and North probably split pick 2, but ignoring those things, this is how I see it playing out.

Pick 1: Richmond - Sam Lalor
Pick 2: Brisbane (matched North’s bid) - Levi Ashcroft
Pick 3: North Melbourne - Alex Tauru
Pick 4: Carlton - Finn O’Sullivan
Pick 5: Adelaide - Sid Draper
Pick 6: Melbourne - Harvey Langford
Pick 7: Richmond - Jagga Smith
Pick 8: St.Kilda - Josh Smillie
Pick 9: Gold Coast (matched Saints bid) - Leo Lombard
Pick 10: St.Kilda - Murphy Reid
Pick 11: Melbourne - Bo Allan
Pick 12: Essendon (matched Tigers bid) - Isaac Kako
Pick 13: Richmond - Harry Armstrong
Pick 14: Richmond - Tobie Travaglia
Pick 15: West Coast - Xavier Lindsay
Pick 16: Port Adelaide - Joe Berry
Pick 17: Fremantle - Jesse Dattoli
Pick 18: GWS - Taj Hotton
Pick 19: GWS - Jobe Shanahan
Pick 20: Brisbane (matched Bulldogs bid) - Sam Marshall
Pick 21: Western Bulldogs - Oliver Hannaford
Pick 22: Richmond - Luke Trainor
Pick 23: Sydney - Jack Whitlock
Pick 24: Richmond - Alex Dodson
Pick 25: GWS - Cooper Hynes
Pick 26: Sydney - Christian Moraes
Pick 27: Richmond - Jasper Alger

Just need Richmond to trade one of its two picks ahead of ours to increase our chances by some margin of us getting Tobie.
St Kilda the other threat.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Just need Richmond to trade one of its two picks ahead of ours to increase our chances by some margin of us getting Tobie.
St Kilda the other threat.

TT, Allen, Lindsay

I think it's going to be one of these three. ESPN have Murphy Reid sliding. Smillie could also slide - but if one of them slide they should still get taken just before us.

 

[eaglespremiers]

TT, Allen, Lindsay

I think it's going to be one of these three. ESPN have Murphy Reid sliding. Smillie could also slide - but if one of them slide they should still get taken just before us.

I think if Smillie, Reid, Armstrong, Tauru and Shanahan are taken before our picks then we stand a great chance to have Tobie available at our pick.
It's not out of the realms of possibility that even Hotton or Berry could be drafted before our selection.

 

[dajesmac]

The AFL draft is just weeks away. Here’s where the top-40 prospects could land

The draft is rapidly approaching and the 2024 class has recruiters salivating over its depth of talent and variety. We rank the top-40 players.

www.theage.com.au

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[eaglevision]

I think if Smillie, Reid, Armstrong, Tauru and Shanahan are taken before our picks then we stand a great chance to have Tobie available at our pick.
It's not out of the realms of possibility that even Hotton or Berry could be drafted before our selection.

I think the appetite for the talls is going to be the only hope. Can’t see any side taking Hotton or Berry before Travaglia. Freo would probably take Berry but it won’t matter at 14. IF he gets past St Kilda I think it comes down to Shanahan being the difference between getting Travaglia and Lindsay.

 

[Obeanie1]

So one minute I was unsure and indecisive. The next I have a crystal ball?


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Yep, Your all over the place.

Definately leaning towards doom and gloom ..... glass always empty though.

 

[stallon]

The AFL draft is just weeks away. Here’s where the top-40 prospects could land

The draft is rapidly approaching and the 2024 class has recruiters salivating over its depth of talent and variety. We rank the top-40 players.

www.theage.com.au

Anyone able to jailbreak this?

https://archive.md/4PDoZ

 

[dajesmac]

https://archive.md/4PDoZ

You're the man, Stallon!