Opinion The Adelaide Board Politics/COVID Thread Part 3

[MrKK]

This would just about kill the "yes" case by itself....The Age reports:

Invasion Day rallies will campaign against the Voice​

By Lisa Visentin January 20, 2023 — 4.37am​

Invasion Day rallies in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane will march under slogans calling for treaty and sovereignty to take priority over a Voice to parliament, as the Indigenous organisers say they will campaign against the push for constitutional recognition. Thousands of people are expected to attend the annual rallies in each capital city to commemorate January 26 as the beginning of Indigenous colonisation by the British, with this year’s events taking place as the Voice to Parliament referendum is set to be held in the second half of 2023.

Well that is awkward...

 

[Eagleboy2011]

This is a parody account..its the only explanation

So Bearded Clam is the benchmark of sane LWNJ's. What does make the others.

 

[kirky]

I'm all for any infrastructure as long as it done well and future proof.

It does make me a little envious though as a north easterner as NE Road is a friggin nightmare sometimes.

What do you think the solution is for NE Road?

I’m in the NW suburbs and the only issue is Port Road from West Terrace to Park Terrace during peak hour.

 

[kirky]

Oh dear, wonder what old lefty Kirky thinks...

Well not much point in it. Save the money of the Referendum.

You want my opinion on Invasion Day - I don’t agree with invasion days but lets be brutally honest - Australia Day is really about NSW. If we want to be realistic - Australia Day should be January 1 when Australia collectively became one nation in 1901. But that happening coz that will take away a public holiday and we certainly can’t do that.

Human history is littered with one race of people wiping out, destroying one group of humans against another group. It is similar to “survival of the fittest” - the British had muskets, the local indigenous population had spears - well that would never end well - sort of reminds me of this



So you happy now?

 

[relapse]

What do you think the solution is for NE Road?

I’m in the NW suburbs and the only issue is Port Road from West Terrace to Park Terrace during peak hour.

On the old MATS plan there was supposed to be a North Eastern Freeway where the O-Bahn was later built so that ship has now sailed.

The issues with NE Road for me during peak hour are from Northcote Terrace to Sudholz Road.

Long term there's not much that I expect can be done and you could argue that the NE suburbs have most probably grown about as much as they can.

 

[kirky]

And this will certainly disturb Mutineer -

We are as a nation have spent multiple billions of dollars over decades to assist the indigenous population but the key question is what do they see as a solution?

Problem - the indigenous communities can’t agree amongst themselves. For starters, some want the Voice, some don’t

Outcome - continuing going around in circles with billions being spent and no discernible outcome

And at the end of the day, there are interests (on both sides) who don’t want any sort of resolution, as a resolution would reduce their power.

 

[relapse]

Well not much point in it. Save the money of the Referendum.

You want my opinion - I don’t agree with invasion days but lets be brutally honest - Australia Day is really about NSW. If we want to be realistic - Australia Day should be January 1 when Australia collectively became one nation in 1901. But that happening coz that will take away a public holiday and we certainly can’t do that.

Human history is littered with one race of people wiping out, destroying one group of humans against another group. It is similar to “survival of the fittest” - the British had muskets, the local indigenous population had spears - well that would never end well - sort of reminds me of this



So you happy now?

I think people calling it "invasion day" is a bit over the top, that being said I'm definitely open to changing the date on basis that it's changed to a date that everyone is then happy with and there's no more complaints about it.

 

[Mutineer]

And this will certainly disturb Mutineer -

We are as a nation have spent multiple billions of dollars over decades to assist the indigenous population but the key question is what do they see as a solution?

Problem - the indigenous communities can’t agree amongst themselves. For starters, some want the Voice, some don’t

Outcome - continuing going around in circles with billions being spent and no discernible outcome

And at the end of the day, there are interests (on both sides) who don’t want any sort of resolution, as a resolution would reduce their power.

Why would it disturb me, I agree with you all the billions of dollars and saying sorry has made exactly zero difference to the people most in need and the Voice will be no different, it's a feel good exercise for the usual suspects. 90% at a rough guess with claimed indigenous heritage don't live in anywhere near the conditions the "true" indigenous folk live nor have the same health issues or social issues as those in remote areas...the ones that really need help.

The biggest problem is caused by their remoteness to deliver health outcomes and to address the social issues they face, yet the same indigenous folk seem reluctant to move closer to where better health and social outcomes can be addressed. The Voice will fix nothing.

 

[Mutineer]

Victoria...

 

[Slippery Pete]

I think people calling it "invasion day" is a bit over the top, that being said I'm definitely open to changing the date on basis that it's changed to a date that everyone is then happy with and there's no more complaints about it.

Yes I‘m sure the wokesters will finally be happy if we just give up this one more thing, and then they’ll never bother us again.

 

[fortunatecrow]

Yes I‘m sure the wokesters will finally be happy if we just give up this one more thing, and then they’ll never bother us again.

They don't want the same day on a different date, they want the day to not exist.

 

[cleanhands]

They should have put one down South when they had a chance too.

Adelaide really lacks decent transport infrastructure in certain areas.

Eg. They really should be looking to get the train service going through Mt Barker with their population explosion.

Should also be getting heavy freight off around Callington on a ring route to avoid going through the city as too steep.

Most importantly complete the Southern Expressway as we are predominantly a North - South city.

Wasn’t Marshall pushing for a distrubution hub at Monarto, then road and rail traffic running north around the hills to Port Adelaide, similar to QLD from Toowoomba to Brisbane

 

[MrKK]

They don't want the same day on a different date, they want the day to not exist.

I'm actually fine with changing the date as I can understand the issue with Jan 26th, but your comment is correct. The noisiest agitators for it will never be satisfied.

 

[skam85]

Victoria...

Wonder if that would have counted as permitted exercise in 2020/21

 

[relapse]

Yes I‘m sure the wokesters will finally be happy if we just give up this one more thing, and then they’ll never bother us again.

What are we actually "giving up"? It's just a date change to a date that is more unifying to the indigenous population of Australia, it's not like we're losing anything.

To try and link this to the culture war malarkey is disingenuous, the reasons behind wanting to change the date are pretty fair and reasonable.

 

[ADL9798]

Pretty sure you and others argued on here for the longest time that the risks of vaccine-induced mycocarditis were lower than Covid-induced mycocarditis.

And now your argument is what? That despite the increased risk of myocarditis, the other ”benefits” of this vaccine still outweigh that increased risk?

Maybe that’s your position, and maybe as the study indicates, that’s the FDA’s position (big surprise).

But the logical position is that when we are talking about the risk of lifelong heart damage, and a vaccine under emergency use authorization for children, that risk assessment should always have been left up to the individual.

Do you seriously disagree with that?

By the way, the FDA and the CDC are the outfits providing advice to the government on policies like still needing to be “double vaccinated” to enter the United States.

Do you think that the FDA and the CDC might be just a little bit full of s**t?

Because the risks of vaccine-induced myocarditis are lower than Covid-induced myocarditis. Multiple studies have confirmed this.

And even if it wasn’t, of course any risk-benefit analysis should be looking at all the risks and all of the benefits of vaccination, not just cherry picking data for certain side effects or time periods that best suit your predetermined opinion.

The advice provided by the FDA and CDC to the US government on COVID vaccine risk-benefit in different demographics is consistent with the advice provided by the ECDC to European governments, by ATAGI to the Australian government, and by JCVI to the UK government.

(by the way, across the board that advice does include recommendations for some groups at higher risk of adverse events to speak with their doctor about selection of vaccine type + timing based on their unique risk profile)

But hey, maybe these advisory groups and the numerous high quality studies they’ve based their recommendations on are all wrong and Malhotra is right. In a similar vein, interesting that not a single other US state has followed Florida’s lead on recommending against vaccinating males under 40, wouldn’t you say?

Covid-19: Florida’s surgeon general used “careless” research practice in recommending against vaccination, his university finds

Florida’s surgeon general violated his university’s rules against “careless, irregular, or contentious research practices” in recommending against mRNA coronavirus vaccination for males aged 18-39, according to a report by his colleagues at the University of Florida’s faculty of medicine...

www.bmj.com

 

[relapse]

I'm actually fine with changing the date as I can understand the issue with Jan 26th, but your comment is correct. The noisiest agitators for it will never be satisfied.

I don't necessarily agree, if it's held on a date that doesn't have negative association with it and is solely a day to celebrate Australia then what can they actually complain about?

Most people understand why there's a push to change the date, but if it were to change and suddenly people then started complaining about the new date it would pretty much fall on deaf ears.

If moving it is something that will end the divisiveness about the day then I'd support it.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Wasn’t Marshall pushing for a distrubution hub at Monarto, then road and rail traffic running north around the hills to Port Adelaide, similar to QLD from Toowoomba to Brisbane

He was talking about an airport/distribution hub & transport ring route.

We don't need the airport, but we do need a heavy transport ring route from around Callington to connect up with the Northern Expressway... which can then allow transport to Port Adelaide, but also to our main North South highway avoiding the city.

 

[fortunatecrow]

If moving it is something that will end the divisiveness about the day then I'd support it.

Yes, and so would I. But it won't.

Those who characterise it as Invasion Day won't be happy if Invasion Day is on a different date, because it will be Invasion Day on a different date

 

[GreyCrow]

He was talking about an airport/distribution hub & transport ring route.

We don't need the airport, but we do need a heavy transport ring route from around Callington to connect up with the Northern Expressway... which can then allow transport to Port Adelaide, but also to our main North South highway avoiding the city.

Too many broken pieces. Not enough infrastructure that wont cost a lot of money.

Any route from the east needs to cross the Lofty Range - whether that be down south around Strathalbyn or north across TTG - neither can be done without incurring massive infrastructure costs

Portrush to Hampstead and GJ is the best low cost - unfortunately the south end of Portrush is in nimby territory so no widening will occur that satisfies all.

I agree rail to Mt Barker needs to happen as does a rail extension to Victor Harbor

 

[relapse]

Yes, and so would I. But it won't.

Those who characterise it as Invasion Day won't be happy if Invasion Day is on a different date, because it will be Invasion Day on a different date

The argument has always been around the date, not what the day symbolises.

I don't see how people could argue that it's still "invasion day" if it is no longer attached to a date representative of Captain Cook/First Fleet.

I guess there might be a small lunatic fringe, but I can't see it gaining any traction because there would be zero basis to it.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Because the risks of vaccine-induced myocarditis are lower than Covid-induced myocarditis. Multiple studies have confirmed this.

Really?

Then why did ATAGI, back in October, quietly adjust their position and state that they were now “uncertain” about this for men under 40?

Even if you still believe it was the right thing to indiscriminately vaccinate healthy young people and children en masse with a novel mRNA vaccine that had no long-term safety data, surely you cannot still prosecute the case that mandates on anybody were ever acceptable.

But hey, maybe these advisory groups and the numerous high quality studies they’ve based their recommendations on are all wrong and Malhotra is right. In a similar vein, interesting that not a single other US state has followed Florida’s lead on recommending against vaccinating males under 40, wouldn’t you say?

Covid-19: Florida’s surgeon general used “careless” research practice in recommending against vaccination, his university finds

Florida’s surgeon general violated his university’s rules against “careless, irregular, or contentious research practices” in recommending against mRNA coronavirus vaccination for males aged 18-39, according to a report by his colleagues at the University of Florida’s faculty of medicine...

www.bmj.com

The former head of the Australian Medical Association, who herself has a Covid vaccine injury, made a submission to a parliamentary inquiry the other week and told them, flat out, that doctors and medical experts who raised concerns about these jabs were silenced, censored, and threatened.

As someone who works in health, aren’t you appalled and alarmed at this? I noticed you haven’t touched that topic with a barge pole.

Thing is, nobody is even asking you to denounce the heart attack juice!

They’re merely saying it should never have been mandated, on anybody.

The fact that you can’t just buck up and admit this obvious truth is just beyond ridiculous.

 

[Vader]

I agree rail to Mt Barker needs to happen as does a rail extension to Victor Harbor

I remember riding the train to Victor Harbor when I was a kid. Must have been 40+ years ago now. Really showing my age.

 

[GreyCrow]

I remember riding the train to Victor Harbor when I was a kid. Must have been 40+ years ago now. Really showing my age.

The Cockle Train? From Goolwa to Victor

With the Seaford line now in full use ( and for 5 years) an extension to Victor Harbor should be in long term planning

I see this has been raised recently

Land preserved for potential future rail line extension to Aldinga

A corridor of land will be kept as option for a Seaford rail line to Aldinga.

www.victorharbortimes.com.au

South Australian Premier, Peter Malinauskas has announced that his Labor government will preserve a corridor of land for a potential future extension of the Seaford rail line to Aldinga.
This land preservation is to ensure there are long-term options for expanding public transport in South Australia.


But it seems that road upgrades is more important

 

[fortunatecrow]

The argument has always been around the date, not what the day symbolises.

I don't see how people could argue that it's still "invasion day" if it is no longer attached to a date representative of Captain Cook/First Fleet.

I guess there might be a small lunatic fringe, but I can't see it gaining any traction because there would be zero basis to it.

I agree with you that they shouldn't. I don't agree that they won't