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Yes he has - Lee played against us at Subi and went well.
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List Mgmt. The answer to our KPF issues... Scott Gumbleton
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The afl certainly know how to keep our attention during the off season, get this trade shite over please(((
I don't care if those highlights were against Bendigo. He took a string if massive pack marks. More than I've seen ANY forward of our take in a game, sometimes in many weeks. Even Pav doesn't take marks like that.
We need him. I'm with Wigarus.
We need him. I'm with Wigarus.
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Yep hes a must have, if it means out 2nd pick then so be it IMO.
I don't want to lose Gumby 
I still have so much more Gumby love to give him 
but if he goes to any club I can live with it being Freo. 
I still have so much more Gumby love to give him but if he goes to any club I can live with it being Freo. 
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And this is where the argument has to end. Fremantle wouldn't have gotten within 30 points of Hawthorn without Pavlich, wouldn't have made the grand final, probably wouldn't have even beaten Geelong.
Further to that, where the game was lost in the GF was the numerical disadvantage in talls Fremantle had across the ground. The two match winners for Hawthorn were Lake and Gunston.
Pavlich, at 32, will only be able to do so much, and after him there is no one else on the list capable. Gumbelton is a concerning pick up, but anyone who thinks Fremantle can rock up to next year's grand final and win with a side that is similarly structured is a fool.
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And gets the team no further away than Jack Anthony did. Anthony was a useless pick up but the side made the finals while he was there.
A lot of the games against bottom 8 sides won last year without Pavlich will be lost if we play without him or a suitable replacement, too. Those sides will be improving.
I don't really agree with your last 2 paragraphs. The game was not lost due to a numerical disadvantage in talls. Maybe taking Clarke off was an error, but that was a coaching/tactical blunder, can't really blame that on the starting team selection.
The game was lost simply because our players were overwhelmed, underperformed and couldn't take the numerous chances they had. If Fyfe kicks straight, if Ballantyne plays even an average game, then I think we win. Not to mention every 50/50 umpiring decision and bounce of the ball seemed to go their way. Our structure was perfectly capable of winning the game.
The need for a KPF is not exactly for next year, in my opinion. It is to have someone who plays instead of Pavlich. If he is injured or after he retires. I think plonking an average KPF (considering we can't have Cloke, Buddy, Roughead) beside Pav will not help our side, considering the way we play relies on pressure and locking the ball in our forward half.
Gumbleton has done it at AFL level, not often, but he's done it...I could almost guarantee Taberner has very rarely done it at WAFL level, and won't for a few years yet...if at all.
It was both.
How about plonking a WELL BELOW average KPF in the side (Taberner, Bradley) without Pavlich?
You blokes think Taberner or Bradley coming off a knee reco is going to give us a chance at a grand final?
Gumby is better than ALL of our existing options and better than any drafted player bar possibly Boyd.
It is what it is
It was just a lame attempt at a Lyonism.
What we need is a new smilie with a Lyonism value.
Yeo represents what we are losing in Mello and Michie combined.
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I strongly disagree. The side struggled all year in home and way against top four/five sides without a proper key position player up forward. Sydney and Geelong especially kept Freo at bay with strong intercept marks off of half back. The grand final was just a repeat of those tactics. The return of Pavlich for finals made the side immensely better, but it wasn't enough on grand final day.
Lyon knew this. He had Fyfe float up forward early to tilt the balance back the side's way. His miss of the goals were not only costly in terms of score but also meant the plan had to switch, as Fyfe was required in the centre. The side was no more overwhelmed than any other grand final side. The problem is that as the structures failed there were no secondary options to use.
People can talk all they like about the forward pressure style, but I am yet to see a side win with that employed in a grand final. The closest was Collingwood in the replay of 2010, but St Kilda were just about cooked. The fact of the matter is, in the last game of the year the game becomes more about one on one contests, and if you aren't at least keeping the opposition's key defenders honest, they're just going to pick off as many inside 50s as they can.
I agree with you. I'm just saying we don't need to play any of them unless Pavlich is injured. I'm not against getting Gumby, believe me. But with reduced rotations, playing say Sandi + Gumby + Clarke + Pavlich doesn't seem the best use of players to me.
I'm not disputing we struggled without a proper key position player up forward. I completely agree. I just don't think adding an extra one alongside Pav will help as much as some people think. I'd like to give Gumby a go in the pre-season and against weak sides to see how it will work.
Lake was mainly intercepting marks in the last quarter when Clarke went off and somebody (as Lyon alluded to) stopped following structures, allowing Lake to play as a loose man. I think his game was a tad overrated, with people remembering the last quarter more than the first 3 quarters.
Whether we were overwhelmed to a normal degree or not is irrelevant ... we were still spooked. Next year we shouldn't be.
I think Pavlich + Mayne + ruckman is enough up forward. Especially if we have Fyfe and hopefully Morabito (long shot) floating around down there. I'm all for more marking power, but our game requires a lot of manic running, and we could suffer by adding an extra lumberer like Gumby. We will have to change our gameplan and not be so defensive, which might not be such a bad thing. But do we want to mess with something which worked pretty damn well?
It is unfortunate both our main ruckmen aren't much good as marking forwards. We really messed up by playing hardball with Mitch Clark. He would have been the perfect kind of attainable player to go with Pav and Mayne. I know he has been injured, but maybe that wouldn't have happened with us. I still wish we had taken the risk.
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Please, let's not complicate this discussion with pointless arguments about whether three-time knee reconstruction who has never played as a KPP Anthony Morabito is a possible solution or whether a resting ruckman with absolutely zero forward nous is a reliable option.
Gumbleton is a better solution than both, easily. And what does he do at worst? Cost a spot on the list for another flanker that doesn't kick goals? Keep out another player that will probably be delisted or traded in a couple of years? It is not like the club has a paucity of youth. Or that there is a high likelihood a better key position forward will be found at pick 33.
The absolute worst Gumbleton could do is have a spot on the list for a couple of years and not play. Like Max Duffy, Viv Michie or Joel Houghton.
And seriously, Mitch Clark? He would have cost twice as much, and has been more injured than Gumbleton! FFS.
Gumbleton is a better solution than both, easily. And what does he do at worst? Cost a spot on the list for another flanker that doesn't kick goals? Keep out another player that will probably be delisted or traded in a couple of years? It is not like the club has a paucity of youth. Or that there is a high likelihood a better key position forward will be found at pick 33.
The absolute worst Gumbleton could do is have a spot on the list for a couple of years and not play. Like Max Duffy, Viv Michie or Joel Houghton.
And seriously, Mitch Clark? He would have cost twice as much, and has been more injured than Gumbleton! FFS.
Much happier about Gumbleton with that reel but how about that Hurley bloke
Amen to that
That's what I thought. It's why I used the word apparently, because there would have to be some doubt because of what you just said. But then again Brissie must be a bit snowed under at the moment. I feel sorry for them actually.
P.S noticed they refused a pick for Polec, wanted a player. Might be linked to that.
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So gumby's main injury concern was back related hamstring injuries that kept reoccurring?
Taberner has the potential to kick goals and get a few grabs, just need a good solid pre season and give him a chance. He knows how to lead well as well as being the right height for a KPP. We all know we need a short term (1-2 year) solution and build Taberner up in the WAFL.
Well said. Gumbleton is something of the unknown. A KPP at 25, and ready for Freo to put into the side, if fit. Given him a 2 year deal, have a pre season and assess how well he can play under Lyon. To win the premiership, these sort of risks are something that need to be taken. Other chances are Mitch Thorp, J Pod and not much else..
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