Unsolved The Beaumont Children

[Lyn]

IMHO, Harry Phipps was not involved. He was investigated multiple times, including after allegations by one of his own sons, yet still no evidence was found.

It seems Bevan Spencer Von Einem can also be ruled out unless he was involved as part of a wider gang. He wanted teenage boys and young men, not young kids, if I am not mistaken. That rules out his interest in girls (Jane and Arnna), and Grant Beaumont would be too young for his tastes.

Tony Munro also wanted teenage boys and would have no interest in the Beaumont girls or a male as young as Grant Beaumont.

Whoever was seen at the beach with the Beaumont kids was not old - maybe 20s, or late 30s at most. That rules out a perp like Arthur Stanley Brown.

It's a fascinating case, but I don't think anyone has a clear idea or any really good leads.

I working on it - albeit very slowly

 

[Kurve]

Just clarifying. If a person has been mentioned in the press, but not specifically associated with the Beaumont children, their names can't be mentioned?

We've been through this before with your suspect who has been named in the press and a convicted child sex offender.

My post was more a reminder to stay away from wilder theories that the Beaumont children are alive, living in Tasmania for example and the family named. To be sensible.

 

[Lyn]

We've been through this before with your suspect who has been named in the press and a convicted child sex offender.

My post was more a reminder to stay away from wilder theories that the Beaumont children are alive, living in Tasmania for example and the family named. To be sensible.

Thanks Kurve. I have just been going back and editing my posts. Lol

 

[Kurve]

Thanks Kurve. I have just been going back and editing my posts. Lol

Have you named people as a suspect or involved in the kids disappearance that have no criminal record, are not a witness, haven't been named in the press and are still living?

 

[BonzaRam]

Does anyone remember years ago a suitcase was found in a dump and inside it were news cuttings of the Beaumont crime, they had been scribbled over, I can't remember what they actually said but it was along the lines of "the children arn't there" "they were taken to...."
I'm kicking myself that I can't remember, I had all the information on my external hard drive which has crashed, sadly with thousands of important files I need.
But the suitcase was given to the police who tracked down it's owner, it was said to have been written by a senile old lady who passed away and they figured the suitcase was just rubbish..
I wonder if that was thoroughly investigated or just put in the too hard basket?

"In 1986, according to the Sydney Morning Herald, three suitcases full of newspaper clippings about the Beaumont case were found in a garbage dump, most of the pages scribbled with handwritten notes in red ink. Across an image of the widely circulated sketch of the suspect was written, "Lies—all bluff."
Only a day later, however, people who identified themselves as relatives of the elderly owner of those suitcases told police that she had simply become obsessed with the case, and after she died they threw the bags out."

Why the Unsolved Disappearance of the Beaumont Children Remains One of Australia's Most Haunting Crimes

On Jan. 26, 1966, all three Beaumont siblings went to the beach near their Adelaide home, had lunch and disappeared without a trace.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Lyn]

Have you named people as a suspect or involved in the kids disappearance that have no criminal record, are not a witness, haven't been named in the press and are still living?

No. Thanks - it's all clear now.

 

[Lyn]

Does anyone remember years ago a suitcase was found in a dump and inside it were news cuttings of the Beaumont crime, they had been scribbled over, I can't remember what they actually said but it was along the lines of "the children arn't there" "they were taken to...."
I'm kicking myself that I can't remember, I had all the information on my external hard drive which has crashed, sadly with thousands of important files I need.
But the suitcase was given to the police who tracked down it's owner, it was said to have been written by a senile old lady who passed away and they figured the suitcase was just rubbish..
I wonder if that was thoroughly investigated or just put in the too hard basket?

If it was years later, they probably put it in the too hard basket.

 

[Lyn]

After the second inquest Percy was recommended to the DPP for the murder of Simon Brook, aged 3, that is the youngest I know of linked to Percy. What books about him are you referring to as I haven't read any of them but maybe I should.
Having been a victims of pedophiles, both male and female, I do know how they work... I also know some victims can get caught up in trying to blame their abusers for any crime that can be attached to the abuser, one must be wary of that.

I agree the abduction was premeditated, how far in advance is disputable.

I have looked into West after you mentioned him and yes he is a possible contender for the Beaumont abduction, based on what little info we have about him (I find the lack of info odd also). Maybe you are right and it is him but without more concrete proof it is all just speculation. I wish you the best in your research because this case needs to be solved and I will do what ever can to help but for now I, personally, am still pointing finger at Percy.

Oh and for those interested I did find a Percy family living in Glenelg in 1966 via the 1966 electoral roll. I still have not been able to find a family connection though as no obituaries mention Derek, not his even mothers...

I had to do some reading on Derek Percy. It appears police suspected him in a few child murders. From witness accounts he may have been too young, or he may have looked older. Interesting that a Percy family was living in Glenelg at that time. He may have visited relatives. Did you find their initials? I could look on family history. I have found a few things for my POI on there. We might find a link.
Like you, it would be good to solve this case.

 

[Lyn]

After the second inquest Percy was recommended to the DPP for the murder of Simon Brook, aged 3, that is the youngest I know of linked to Percy. What books about him are you referring to as I haven't read any of them but maybe I should.
Having been a victims of pedophiles, both male and female, I do know how they work... I also know some victims can get caught up in trying to blame their abusers for any crime that can be attached to the abuser, one must be wary of that.

I agree the abduction was premeditated, how far in advance is disputable.

I have looked into West after you mentioned him and yes he is a possible contender for the Beaumont abduction, based on what little info we have about him (I find the lack of info odd also). Maybe you are right and it is him but without more concrete proof it is all just speculation. I wish you the best in your research because this case needs to be solved and I will do what ever can to help but for now I, personally, am still pointing finger at Percy.

Oh and for those interested I did find a Percy family living in Glenelg in 1966 via the 1966 electoral roll. I still have not been able to find a family connection though as no obituaries mention Derek, not his even mothers...

Ok, I've been on myHeratige. I won't say names, but there was a Percy born in Glenelg in 1915 - died in 1971 in Caufield, Victoria. This could be your Persy's parents - given that he was Victorian.

 

[BonzaRam]

Ok, I've been on myHeratige. I won't say names, but there was a Percy born in Glenelg in 1915 - died in 1971 in Caufield, Victoria. This could be your Persy's parents - given that he was Victorian

Yeah there will be many Percys from South Australia, and all the other states, many will be related, some won't be. It is result of how our country evolved. Basically early Australia grew from east to west so many families ended up with relatives all over the country.

I sent you a PM with the electoral roll details...

 

[Lyn]

Yeah there will be many Percys from South Australia, and all the other states, many will be related, some won't be. It is result of how our country evolved. Basically early Australia grew from east to west so many families ended up with relatives all over the country.

I sent you a PM with the electoral roll details...

Thanks. I will have a look

 

[Lyn]

After the second inquest Percy was recommended to the DPP for the murder of Simon Brook, aged 3, that is the youngest I know of linked to Percy. What books about him are you referring to as I haven't read any of them but maybe I should.
Having been a victims of pedophiles, both male and female, I do know how they work... I also know some victims can get caught up in trying to blame their abusers for any crime that can be attached to the abuser, one must be wary of that.

I agree the abduction was premeditated, how far in advance is disputable.

I have looked into West after you mentioned him and yes he is a possible contender for the Beaumont abduction, based on what little info we have about him (I find the lack of info odd also). Maybe you are right and it is him but without more concrete proof it is all just speculation. I wish you the best in your research because this case needs to be solved and I will do what ever can to help but for now I, personally, am still pointing finger at Percy.

Oh and for those interested I did find a Percy family living in Glenelg in 1966 via the 1966 electoral roll. I still have not been able to find a family connection though as no obituaries mention Derek, not his even mothers...

Derek Percy-Australian Psycho eBook : Whiticker, Alan J: Amazon.com.au: Kindle Store

Derek Percy-Australian Psycho eBook : Whiticker, Alan J: Amazon.com.au: Kindle Store

www.amazon.com.au

This is the book about Derek Percy. If anyone is interested in reading it.

 

[Deni]

"In 1986, according to the Sydney Morning Herald, three suitcases full of newspaper clippings about the Beaumont case were found in a garbage dump, most of the pages scribbled with handwritten notes in red ink. Across an image of the widely circulated sketch of the suspect was written, "Lies—all bluff."
Only a day later, however, people who identified themselves as relatives of the elderly owner of those suitcases told police that she had simply become obsessed with the case, and after she died they threw the bags out."

Why the Unsolved Disappearance of the Beaumont Children Remains One of Australia's Most Haunting Crimes

On Jan. 26, 1966, all three Beaumont siblings went to the beach near their Adelaide home, had lunch and disappeared without a trace.

www.yahoo.com

Thank you Bonza, that really sounds suss to me, why would she do that I wonder!

 

[Deni]

No. Thanks - it's all clear now.

That was because I put up a name of someone from another forum who thinks they know all..
I made the mistake of naming them, which is a no no in here and I respect that so I deleted my
comment, all good..

 

[Kurve]

That was because I put up a name of someone from another forum who thinks they know all..
I made the mistake of naming them, which is a no no in here and I respect that so I deleted my
comment, all good..

Not that so much, it was just me jumping in before someone started asking who this other person thinks the family are living in SA are who raised the living Beaumont children. Although, we probably don't need to give this JS any free advertising because he is very wrong causing great offence and upset to the family named.

 

[BonzaRam]

Derek Percy-Australian Psycho eBook : Whiticker, Alan J: Amazon.com.au: Kindle Store

Derek Percy-Australian Psycho eBook : Whiticker, Alan J: Amazon.com.au: Kindle Store

www.amazon.com.au

This is the book about Derek Percy. If anyone is interested in reading it.

Ah cool, thanks, I have just ordered a paperback copy of that and the Debi Marshall (Lambs to the Slaughter) one listed below that.

 

[BonzaRam]

Thank you Bonza, that really sounds suss to me, why would she do that I wonder!

Definitely odd but am inclined to think that being pre-desktop and laptop computers, or even the WWW for that matter, that collecting newspaper clippings was the only way available to sleuthers to collect information on true crime. 3 suitcases full does sound extreme but I wonder if there has been a bit of exaggeration applied by journalism. As for the red ink scribbles would that be any different to what we see on web sleuthing forums of today?

 

[Tues]

I must apologise, I had the wrong person. There are no books written about Percy.
He also sounds like a person of very low character.

There are books written about Percy, I am putting this link to 'Lambs to the slaughter' written by Debi Marshall as it has a preview of several chapters you can read.

Lambs To The Slaughter

Buy the eBook Lambs To The Slaughter, Inside the Depraved Mind of Child-Killer Derek Ernest Percy by Debi Marshall online from Australia's leading online eBook store. Download eBooks from Booktopia today.

www.booktopia.com.au

 

[Lyn]

Ah cool, thanks, I have just ordered a paperback copy of that and the Debi Marshall (Lambs to the Slaughter) one listed below that.

It may give you some information or links to information you already have. You will have to give us a book review.
I didn't even see Lambs to the Slaughter.

 

[EyeMedia]

It may give you some information or links to information you already have. You will have to give us a book review.
I didn't even see Lambs to the Slaughter.

I have a copy of the Debi Marshall book 'Banquet' which is about Adelaide and Bevan Spencer Von Einem. Sort of.

I mean, I have Banquet as an audio-book from www.audible.com.au - Debi narrates (reads) her own book. I don't have a paper copy of it.

But the crimes of that piss-weak creep Von Einem aren't really my major interest. It's mostly the Beaumonts. But I'm not convinced the cases (BC, AO, Family Murders) are linked.

 

[Kurve]

I have a copy of the Debi Marshall book 'Banquet' which is about Adelaide and Bevan Spencer Von Einem. Sort of.

I mean, I have Banquet as an audio-book from www.audible.com.au - Debi narrates (reads) her own book. I don't have a paper copy of it.

But the crimes of that piss-weak creep Von Einem aren't really my major interest. It's mostly the Beaumonts. But I'm not convinced the cases (BC, AO, Family Murders) are linked.

It was hard for me to get through reading 'Banquet', I found it to be not as well researched as it could have been. I have a big issue with how long Richard Kelvin was kept alive for as well and while I've tried to swing in behind the official story, it's not working for me at all.

We were sold a scary story that doesn't stack up imo.

Marshall's earlier books on Percy and baby Deidre Kennedy, were her bravest.

 

[DropBearess]

I have a copy of the Debi Marshall book 'Banquet' which is about Adelaide and Bevan Spencer Von Einem. Sort of.

I mean, I have Banquet as an audio-book from www.audible.com.au - Debi narrates (reads) her own book. I don't have a paper copy of it.

But the crimes of that piss-weak creep Von Einem aren't really my major interest. It's mostly the Beaumonts. But I'm not convinced the cases (BC, AO, Family Murders) are linked.

I believe Family, BC and AO crimes are not linked in any way. I am certain they were committed by three totally sick individuals; in BVE's case with his equally sick friends.

 

[CD Xbow]

It was hard for me to get through reading 'Banquet', I found it to be not as well researched as it could have been. I have a big issue with how long Richard Kelvin was kept alive for as well and while I've tried to swing in behind the official story, it's not working for me at all.

We were sold a scary story that doesn't stack up imo.

Marshall's earlier books on Percy and baby Deidre Kennedy, were her bravest.

Is the one about Percy worth reading?
I just read the John Sylvester article from 2007 about Percy and it seemed then a bit uncertain if he was in Adelaide at the time. and I a wondering has any evidence had come to light placing him in Adelaide at the time.

'Was Percy in Adelaide? He told police he had been there on holiday but couldn't remember when. His brother confirmed they had been there. The mother of one of Percy's friends told police: "I can also recall that Derek travelled to Adelaide on holidays by plane on one occasion."....

Question: "What do you know about the Beaumont children in South Australia."

Answer: "I was in Adelaide at the time."
Question: "You were what? You remember being in Adelaide when they went missing?"

Answer: "Yes."
Question: "Whereabouts were you when they disappeared?"
Answer: "Near the beach. But nothing else."
.

One man, so many faces of evil

www.theage.com.au

 

[Kurve]

Is the one about Percy worth reading?

Yes it's quite good but I found I wasn't quite prepared for how graphic it was regards his depravity and the things he did so I skipped through those parts. I dpn't remember what she wrote about the Beaumont children, I can have a look later.

There's no doubt in my mind that whatever he wrote of his sickening fantasies of which there's a lot of material, he sought to do or had already done so taking the Beaumont children is a definite possibility. Same with the Wanda Beach murders.

 

[Mark W76]

What was Harry Phipps' address? It was in Augusta Street?