The best teams at NOT going back to back

[PhatBoy]

Geelong supporters use the opposition (based on H&A records) to determine how good they were (but conveniently ignore Hawks 08) this mentality is so stupid, contradictory and reeks of copium.

Oooh another made up word

What are we coping with? Winning three titles? Ooooh how will we handle it.

 

[FootyLad0]

Too bad the no b2b voids it. That’s all people will remember in 20/30 years.

And you got beaten by a 17-5 team who didn’t even make finals the next year so sit down with your H&A crap. Geelong 07-11 have an atrocious portfolio.

And this comment is why everyone thinks Tigers fans are cooked.

San Antonio Spurs never went back 2 back and even now through rebuilding are treated as a one of the best cultured, coached and strongest dynasty teams ever despite not being a major metropolitan city...sound familiar?

 

[Mr Meow]

Cleansweep17

What do you think of my 1997 Crows/2017 Tigers merged team (whole season)?

FB: Hart Grimes Vlastuin
HB: Smart Rance Houli

C: Goodwin Ricciuto S.Edwards
FOL: Rehn McLeod Martin

HF: Lambert Riewoldt Vardy
FF: Jarman Modra Caddy

IC: Cotchin Bickley Rioli Ellen

11 Crows, 11 Tigers.

Crows finished 4th in H&A, Tigers finished 3rd H&A.

Richmond did win one more game overall but the Crows get the edge by winning 4 finals, including beating two Melbourne based sides at the G in knockout scenarios (dealing with Ricciuto and Modra absences late).

They then backed it up by beating the outstanding Roos on the road the next season.

This was a better b2b side than Richmond who only achieved the feat in the shortened season with shortened games, against inferior opposition.

 

[JackOutback]

So I see this thread is the defacto Geelong/Richmond shitfight thread now.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Cleansweep17

What do you think of my 1997 Crows/2017 Tigers merged team (whole season)?

FB: Hart Grimes Vlastuin
HB: Smart Rance Houli

C: Goodwin Ricciuto S.Edwards
FOL: Rehn McLeod Martin

HF: Lambert Riewoldt Vardy
FF: Jarman Modra Caddy

IC: Cotchin Bickley Rioli Ellen

11 Crows, 11 Tigers.

Crows finished 4th in H&A, Tigers finished 3rd H&A.

Richmond did win one more game overall but the Crows get the edge by winning 4 finals, including beating two Melbourne based sides at the G in knockout scenarios (dealing with Ricciuto and Modra absences late).

They then backed it up by beating the outstanding Roos on the road the next season.

This was a better b2b side than Richmond who only achieved the feat in the shortened season with shortened games, against inferior opposition.

I’ll answer on another thread copy the post again. Not appropriate on this one we are ruining it.

I can already tell your team is way off and you have no clue what made our dynasty great in the first place. It’s really sad, what were you doing in 2017-2020?

 

[STPer18]

So losing a prelim is actually better than winning one? This is groundbreaking analysis

Can't lose a grand final if you don't make a grand final. Now you're starting to get it!

 

[Mr Meow]

I’ll answer on another thread copy the post again. Not appropriate on this one we are ruining it.

I can already tell your team is way off and you have no clue what made our dynasty great in the first place. It’s really sad, what were you doing in 2017-2020?

Watching just like I was in 1997.

How many Crows games did you watch in 1997, by the way? It's very relevant as Adelaide beat one of the best teams to not go back to back (1996 North Melbourne). Hawthorn in 2008 did the same. So both overcame tougher sides than the Richmond side that DID go back to back. They could fairly be assessed as stronger sides. Fairly simple.

 

[STPer18]

Where did you get that from?

The evidence is Hawks 08 is better than Geelong 07-11. THEY LITERALLY BEAT YOU

So Collingwood 18 is better than Richmond 17-20, and they didn't even win the flag. How weak was the comp during those years?

 

[Cleansweep17]

So Collingwood 18 is better than Richmond 17-20, and they didn't even win the flag. How weak was the comp during those years?

Like I said about 100 times to your other mates if we were fully fit you’d have a point.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Watching just like I was in 1997.

How many Crows games did you watch in 1997, by the way? It's very relevant as Adelaide beat one of the best teams to not go back to back (1996 North Melbourne). Hawthorn in 2008 did the same. So both overcame tougher sides than the Richmond side that DID go back to back. They could fairly be assessed as stronger sides. Fairly simple.

I watched from my cot in my diaper. So maybe there is no point to the question. All I know is 3 in 4 beats 2 and we are seen as better. Next.

And that crows team would beat Geelong 07-11 easy. Even Hawks 08 did after all. Same with 90s north.

 

[PhatBoy]

Like I said about 100 times to your other mates if we were fully fit you’d have a point.

Have Richmond ever actually lost a match?

Like ever?

Do you have some sort of disease where you will spontaneously combust if you say ‘we weren’t good enough’

 

[Mr Meow]

I watched from my cot in my diaper. So maybe there is no point to the question. All I know is 3 in 4 beats 2 and we are seen as better. Next.

And that crows team would beat Geelong 07-11 easy. Even Hawks 08 did after all. Same with 90s north.

So you've seen none of them play. When you admit that and then try to make claims about them, it shows how worthless all of your opinions are.

As far as the individual sides, Hawks 2008 > Adelaide 1997/1998 > Richmond 2017/2019/2020

Geelong 2007/2009/2011, Brisbane 2001/2002/2003 and Hawthorn 2013/2014/2015 stronger than all of the above. Likewise Collingwood 2010/2011, St Kilda 2009/2010, Sydney 2012/2014 etc.

All played and beat stronger opponents than Richmond 2017-2020.

 

[PhatBoy]

I watched from my cot in my diaper. So maybe there is no point to the question. All I know is 3 in 4 beats 2 and we are seen as better. Next.

And that crows team would beat Geelong 07-11 easy. Even Hawks 08 did after all. Same with 90s north.

Does it? Some people would say being at the top for 5 years is better than being at the top for 4.

Others still would say who gives a shit

Would that Crows team have beaten us?

Using your logic they wouldn’t have.

See, you think because you owned an MCG winning streak, it automatically means Richmond of 2017-18 would beat Hawthorn of 2008.

So because Geelong of 2007-09 went 55-3 I’d say, you know, we would have beaten Adelaide.

Your rules. Not mine.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Does it? Some people would say being at the top for 5 years is better than being at the top for 4.

Others still would say who gives a s**t

Would that Crows team have beaten us?

Using your logic they wouldn’t have.

See, you think because you owned an MCG winning streak, it automatically means Richmond of 2017-18 would beat Hawthorn of 2008.

So because Geelong of 2007-09 went 55-3 I’d say, you know, we would have beaten Adelaide.

Your rules. Not mine.

Yep I’m good with that and I agree. I was using your logic being about judging teams based on opposition. See how stupid it is. Thank god we finally got around to it. Anyway I’ll jump off this thread now. You can discuss this more with me in the dynasty thread or whatever.

 

[PhatBoy]

Yep I’m good with that and I agree. I was using your logic being about judging teams based on opposition. See how stupid it is. Thank god we finally got around to it. Anyway I’ll jump off this thread now. You can discuss this more with me in the dynasty thread or whatever.

Except it isn’t stupid, is it.

Judging a boxing world champion because he beat Anthony Mundine and comparing him to Ali defeating Foreman and Frazier would be a sensible thing to do, would it not?

 

[Pistol Night]

Can't lose a grand final if you don't make a grand final. Now you're starting to get it!

Carlton are geniuses

 

[terrybull]

Just on 2008 (a very rare reflection for me on that awful day) but I wonder if the signs were there during the earlier finals that something was a little off with the team. The preliminary final win v Dogs was a very lacklustre affair and the QF win v Saints papered over a few cracks

Also they played a touch arrogantly that second qtr in particular when didn't do team things.

Anyway we move on

Yeah some things you can see it coming.

I thought Richmond in 2018 near the end of the home and away were just doing enough to win games. Then the QF win against Hawthorn also felt lacklustre.

Sometimes it might be a blessing to drop a game so players wake-up.

If Richmond didn’t lose to South Melbourne in the last round of 1980 then they may have not won the Premiership.

 

[tiger_tough]

we should've gone b2b in 2018 but having said that I think that loss put them on the path to '19 and '20 so it probably worked out better.

 

[terrybull]

Why is it so important for some to judge Premiership sides against each other, and become so upset if it isn’t agreed upon? It’s just discussion and can be amusing to read before it goes overboard and ruins a good thread. No-one can come up with real proof to prove their case anyways, just like religion.

The more alarming question is: if the competition was weak between 2017-2020 as many here say, then the question should be why? What happened? How come so many teams lost their touch? And when did it pick up again?

I saw no worse skills in those years…

 

[Cleansweep17]

Why is it so important for some to judge Premiership sides against each other, and become so upset if it isn’t agreed upon? It’s just discussion and can be amusing to read before it goes overboard and ruins a good thread. No-one can come up with real proof to prove their case anyways, just like religion.

The more alarming question is: if the competition was weak between 2017-2020 as many here say, then the question should be why? What happened? How come so many teams lost their touch? And when did it pick up again?

I saw no worse skills in those years…

Because they think a strong comp is one where only 1-2 teams dominate rather than when the comp is even. It’s quite twisted.

 

[FootyLad0]

I watched from my cot in my diaper. So maybe there is no point to the question. All I know is 3 in 4 beats 2 and we are seen as better. Next.

And that crows team would beat Geelong 07-11 easy. Even Hawks 08 did after all. Same with 90s north.

Imagine being this cooked....

 

[FootyLad0]

we should've gone b2b in 2018 but having said that I think that loss put them on the path to '19 and '20 so it probably worked out better.

Sounds almost identical to Cats losing 08.
Set them up to win 09 and 11 by beating some of the best teams ever in 09 Saints and 2011 Pies.

People need to just appreciate greatness. Losing to those Tigers sides in late 2010's helped push teams like Geelong and Collingwood to win their Premierships in 2022 and 2023 by adapting to the ever changing game

Can see Brisbane losing to Pies helping propel them to glory by adapting.
Reckon if Brisbane fail to win it all again in 2024 that Fagan might get a forced sendoff in that it's not parting ways on bad terms, just that they need someone else who can get them over the line that can be a bit more ruthless with that group.

They seem like a bunch of nice guys with not a lot of C*** about them (aside from Zorko)
Every Premiership team has at least 1 or 2 blokes with a bit of screws loose that gets under opposition skin.

 

[Pie thon]

Im throwing in Sydney 2006

Missed out by a point!

 

[CURVE]

North Melbourne 1976 - Went into the Grand Final as favourites, but much like 1975 when nothing was going to stop North winning their first Premiership, nothing was going to stop Hawthorn winning for Crimmins.

North Melbourne 1978 - Were the best team all season but couldn't get past Hawthorn when it mattered most.

North Melbourne 1997 - Injuries to a number of our best players including Carey during the season and in the Preliminary Final cost us any chance of a decent run at defending our title.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Imagine being this cooked....

If you read my later replies I was using the other cats logic in saying using the opposition to judge how good the Dynasty sides were.

I do not actually believe those teams are better in than 07-11 Cats but Hawks 08 does have a case as they actually played them.