Thegibbsgamble
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This thread is hell funny. All the abuse I got for calling the trade out years ago. Many of those fools in here now saying the Gibbs gamble failed.
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List Mgmt. The Bryce Gibbs trade has set our club back 5 years.
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Thegibbsgamble
I beg to meg
- Oct 28, 2017
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- #78
Hahahaha
Head of strategy (Campo) and midfield coach (Godden) are two positions we need to vacate. Not saying we should sack Godden, he might be useful in another role. (*cough* Burton)
That's the thing though, the 2 years at his best is what I'd welcome spending big on given where we were post 2017. We were the best side that season until the grand final, adding some icing to further strengthen the team was/is worth it over having draft picks that wouldn't have been playing (not playing even when we suck for the most part).
Like we paid overs for him, I don't disagree there but I don't really care about paying overs for a deal if it delivers us a grand final. Unfortunately we haven't come close since but had we won one in 2018 with Gibbs in the side, none of us would have given a shit about the draft picks we moved for him.
That's the kind of risks I'm willing to live with, actually take a crack and go hard for a season instead of hedging your bets constantly and just hovering.
There is truth in this, but the club should have recognised that we lost Lever, Cameron and then Mcgovern from that team - replacing them with Gibbs was pointless. Why did we think replacing Cameron with Gibbs would do us any good?
This is the key. Shoud've gone ALL IN for a flag or otherwise go proper rebuild.
Instead they decided to hedge their bets and have a bit each way. Trading out talent for picks, keeping a bunch of picks but trading out other picks for Gibbs.
Had you kept Lever/McGovern/Charlie and added Gibbs, perhaps that would've worked. Similarly, if you had on-traded the picks received for Lever/McGovern/Charlie for other senior players, that too would've been more likely to work.
Instead you pretended to be all in while still bringing in a bunch of picks.
The plan lacked a clear vision and goal. You can win all your individual trades, but if they're not heading in the right direction, you're still likely to fail as you're trying to achieve too many things.
Very much this, my personal feeling was always that we should have gone through a 'mini rebuild' after the 2017 GF, as it was clear our list needed a refresh.
The board and the club's first priority is to finish above Port. Their second priority is to make the eight and play finals year after year. Winning a premiership is just icing on the cake. The Crows trading history makes more sense when viewed with this in mind.
Carlton turned him into Lachie O’Brien (dud), Matt Kennedy (dud), half of a grotesquely overpaid and overweight McGovern (d$d) and Tom De Koning (shrug).
They didn’t exactly make out like bandits.
They didn’t exactly make out like bandits.
And do you realise we got your 3rd rounder back? Haven't I already told you this?
LoB isn't developing as nicely as Carlton supporter are hoping (but it was consider a weak draft compared to other years any-way). Both Gibbs and LoB might be delisted in 2 years time....how ironic would that be as this is what we actually end up giving for him as we got an equivalent 1st rounder back from them in a strong draft for pick 16 in a same weak draft. If that was Reid's plan, he is a genius.....but I think he got very lucky with Carlton finishing last.
There were other late pick swaps but who cares after the 2nd round?
If you want we can call it:
2 first rounders for Gibbs, 3rd rounder and pick swaps.
If you disagree that's fine. I'm not interested in this circular argument with you anymore. You're basically arguing was it a bad trade or a very bad trade.
You forgot Fogarty and McHenry.
Agree, that's why I always consider the swapping of a mid 2nd rounder and the 1st 3rd rounder as neither here or there.
It's pick 21 in a strong draft compared to pick 16 in a weak draft that's the sticking point. Which one would you prefer.....
That's the point I've been arguing all along.
We overpaid, without doubt...
But nobody could've expected Burton to absolutely ****ing destroy our 2018 season.
@Juddernaut08, you LOL at this post but didn't respond to which pick you would have prefer.....don't lie now.Agree, that's why I always consider the swapping of a mid 2nd rounder and the 1st 3rd rounder as neither here or there.
It's pick 21 in a strong draft compared to pick 16 in a weak draft that's the sticking point. Which one would you prefer.....
Your question is a false premise.
The trade was for 2 firsts. Get over it, learn and move on.
p.s. let's end the discussion here. I feel like Im talking to a brick wall.
I agree with you, the trade was 2 1st rounders but it wasn't only for Gibbs, we also got an equivalent 1st rounder in return (which everyone would have preferred to pick 16 the previous year), all thanks to Carlton finishing last.
In the 1st half of 2018 he played like an A grade player when the Crouch brothers and Sloane were all injured so pick 10 in a weak draft looked like a huge steal....right now, not so, unless he can turn it around in the next 2 years.
Really? where'd he finish in the Brownlow votes that year?
We didn't win much games in the 1st half of last year (which is a big factor in the Brownlow votes) but he was leading our B&F at that time (from memory).
When you break it down though, Lever went out and Doedee came in who really meant we didn't miss a beat and almost improved as crazy as that sounds. McGovern was still on the last season too, just struggling to get out on the park.
So really, it was only Cameron who was a loss last year and when you think back to 2017, there was a fair bit of frustration with what he was delivering at the time (although I think we now see how important his pressure was) before he stepped up in the finals. So even with the loss of Cameron, there's no way that's the difference between coming 1st in the H&A season to missing the 8 completely the following year.
Our free flowing football which was so great to watch in 2017 stopped and the slow play and kicking it into a crowded forward line with McGovern being the only one who thrives in those kind of conditions was always going to be a decline. The camp etc etc all took it's toll more than the loss of those individuals imo.
