The Chinese Communist party are campaigners

[ExcitementMachine]

The third point is the kind of rhetoric the CCP uses to justify its behaviour in the South China Sea, it's highly relevant.

Haha crying about being colonised 100 years ago while being a colonizer in the present.

And they simplify the West as the colonizers, I'm not going to try and understand my history from.their perspective to justify their bullying behaviour in the present. It's a disgrace.

 

[Seeds]

You vote Liberal

And labour. And twice i even voted greens.

 

[madmadworld]

They could launch nuclear bombs that wipe out both countries. They could invade south east asia creating a mega country. Oh and if they dont drop the bombs they definately invade australia to takeover our farms and iron ore mines.

the only reason major countries havnt invaded lands since world war 2 is because taking land became illegal under international law. But given Trump wants to abandon the UN then international law will cease to exist without the US upholding it And it will be a free for all as China takes asia and parts of africa and russia takes parts of eastern europe and the middle east. The west takes nothing as the west is anti war.

Good post
We have invaded lands since world war 2. but we don't want them per se. just want them to be like more like us. it only worked in S Korea.
UN & international law are both only good when they work for our ends, not that often. Trump doesn't want to "abandon" them, just wants them to pay their dues. better out comes happen when all are invested more equally.

Trump has been the first world leader to push back at China. they didn't like it. makes one think ???

Getting rid of the CCP would be a High cost but they must Now Change at the very least. the changes that were Hoped for 25 years ago never happened as we put No pressure for them. once we get control of this virus the World can and must act.

 

[Sainteric]

It's all a big conspiracy

Jesus , you were better off NOT trying to answer lol !!

No conspiracy China owns the Vic government

 

[NSWCROW]

No conspiracy China owns Australia

FTFY

 

[DidakDelight]

climate change isn't some contentious issue that taking a stronger stance on would invite some harsh crackdown from the CCP.

When Australian jobs are on the line you generally don't front up alone to a country that dwarfs your own, one your economy is entirely dependent on and one that has a history of brazenly punishing countries who disagree with it. Bet those beef and barley farmers will be really stoked about the international inquiry if they can't put food on the table.

You can put climate deniers in the same group with those who think this virus didn’t come out of Wuhan.

 

[HairyO]

But why did ScoMo stick our head out demanding an enquiry alone?

I'm with the commentators who reckon he is arse clown, and should have established a bloc of countries demanding such an enquiry before going public.

I think he was are clown looking to give some meat to his base. Poor judgement.

Do you think we should wait for a climate change solution involving the entire world ?

 

[Sainteric]

FTFY

Not the rest of us never sirrender

 

[NSWCROW]

Not the rest of us never sirrender

****en " Jed Eckert " here !!


* Who got the reference ??

 

[hamohawk1]

The CCP may be campaigners, but f*** me dead if we have any chance on a trade war. We have Iron Ore on them and thats about it. If China wants to they could send Australia into a deep deep recession, by doing the following:
- Taking students out of higher education = Crippled universities;
- Running an anti australia tourist campaign = Crippled tourist towns;
- Running an anti Australian food and wine campaign = Crippled industries.

The government got wayyyyy to comfortable with that sweet sweet chinese money, and now we have this...

 

[HairyO]

The CCP may be campaigners, but f*** me dead if we have any chance on a trade war. We have Iron Ore on them and thats about it. If China wants to they could send Australia into a deep deep recession, by doing the following:
- Taking students out of higher education = Crippled universities;
- Running an anti australia tourist campaign = Crippled tourist towns;
- Running an anti Australian food and wine campaign = Crippled industries.

The government got wayyyyy to comfortable with that sweet sweet chinese money, and now we have this...

And after 2 years we would be better off with stronger Australian manufacturing and many new markets.

And China would be worse off because they will be stuck paying higher prices for US imports.

 

[Seeds]

The CCP may be campaigners, but f*** me dead if we have any chance on a trade war. We have Iron Ore on them and thats about it. If China wants to they could send Australia into a deep deep recession, by doing the following:
- Taking students out of higher education = Crippled universities;
- Running an anti australia tourist campaign = Crippled tourist towns;
- Running an anti Australian food and wine campaign = Crippled industries.

The government got wayyyyy to comfortable with that sweet sweet chinese money, and now we have this...

We are already in a deep deep recession

 

[QuietB]

We are already in a deep deep recession

Trading with China got Australia out of the last global recession.

I assume the better economic managers in the LNP have chosen this particular strategy this time for a reason? It is hard to imagine what could go wrong. Guess we can satisfy ourselves with the moral high ground.

 

[hamohawk1]

Trading with China got Australia out of the last global recession.

I assume the better economic managers in the LNP have chosen this particular strategy this time for a reason? It is hard to imagine what could go wrong. Guess we can satisfy ourselves with the moral high ground.

This. We are in a lot worse position as a nation now than when we were in 08. The only country who could get us out easily is China, but that comes with ethical dilemmas.

Just hope the government actually listens to the experts...

 

[HairyO]

This. We are in a lot worse position as a nation now than when we were in 08. The only country who could get us out easily is China, but that comes with ethical dilemmas.

Just hope the government actually listens to the experts...

The BF experts or actual experts ?

 

[hamohawk1]

The BF experts or actual experts ?

Gee, sometimes you think the government could do worse than listen to some of us knuckleheads, when you see some policy decisions.

 

[HairyO]

Gee, sometimes you think the government could do worse than listen to some of us knuckleheads, when you see some policy decisions.

I think BF should always be ignored.

 

[tandino]

Why are the CCP so triggered by the opinions of little ol' Australia?

Thats some superpower they've got themselves over there.

 

[HairyO]

Why are the CCP so triggered by the opinions of little ol' Australia?

Thats some superpower they've got themselves over there.

Inferiority complex and concern that other countries will follow us and make life difficult.

 

[Northalives]

There. Someone had to say it.

It is time we stop fooling ourselves into thinking we can be friends with China under the rule of the CCP. They are petty and fickle bullies. We need to start making other arrangements for trade. Less China and more everyone else. fu** 'em- they're campaigners.

Maybe we should start to use our abundance of natural resources and wealth to start manufacturing again for our consumption and feeding ourselves instead of cutting taxes for the wealthy, allowing corporations to move Australian jobs offshore where we supply all the resources and raw materials so they can make consumables out of them and sell them back to us. This isn't socialism, it's common sense!

This bull shit capitalist doctrine where labour costs are cited as the reason we have lost our manufacturing base has caused us to become dependant on China, Taiwan, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc etc. when the reality is that the over reliance on the "market" and the stock exchange where if companies/corporations sack people, their share price rises, sometimes soars and the news broadcasts tell us what a wonderful day it's been on the stock exchange! Not so wonderful for those who lost their jobs or those that now have to work twice as hard for the same doe and if they say anything, they get the sack!

It is completely disingenuous and a straight out lie that labour costs are the death of business in Australia. What these business councils and the IPA actually mean, is that if Australian wages and conditions were at Bangladeshi levels, then we'd make more profits than those we are already making! We meaning the conglomerates and multinationals.

In a nation of twenty five million with resources that could sustain a population at least ten times that, at least!, we can surely have a fantastic standard of living without having to rely on any imports and when we have excess of those things that we manufacture or grow, after we have satisfied our own needs, then sell overseas. Again, this is not socialism or communism or any "ism", it's just basic common sense which is completely frightening to those who have invested heavily in the so-called third world countries not for any benefits to those poor sods, but to make shit loads of doe by selling stuff to us which we use to make here and at a far better standard but it's just not those capitalist pig dogs that would freak out, it's the Rineharts, the Rio Tintos, BHP's and the Murdochs etc that would have a fit because they wouldn't be able to sell as much of our raw resources to China etc. if we replaced those imports with our own manufactured goods.

There was a time when the "Asian Tiger" was in the ascendancy and Hawke and Keating responded well to this phenomenon whilst still maintaining decent wages and conditions for Australian workers. Since 1996 however, right wing unbridled capitalism has seen this country go from an educated, smart nation to a servile hole in the ground, dependant on other countries buying our natural resources and any benefits that came to this country because of this "resources boom", was squandered in tax cuts for the rich and middle class welfare.

As the so called "developing" nations developed to the point of not being third world countries any longer but now second world countries, we stood still and did not attune our economy to these developments and did what we always do under Liberal/National Party rule, we just stood still and as a consequence, let other countries and transnationals rape us as a nation.

We've seen moronic, knuckdragging Governments like Abbotts' wipe out our automobile manufacturing sector because they refused to hand over a pittance in subsidies to that vital and strategic sector in comparison to the massive subsidies to Banks, Mining and to fast becoming redundant Coal energy sector as well of course, as massive tax cuts to the wealthiest and to those who don't even pay tax, they gave them a $6 billion gift last year!

We have such a wealth in natural resources and are such a technically advanced nation that we can be a completely self sufficient, exceptionally well off without a poor underclass if we used these natural resources to provide us with an inexhaustible supply of very cheap, immensely clean energy and with the redistribution of tax payer money into encouraging the start up of our manufacturing sector again and by building the energy infrastructure we need to distribute low cost energy it to everyone; households and business WITHOUT looking to make profits but instead, do what the Ultra Conservative Premier of South Australia, Sir Thomas Playford did, by ensuring that energy and the supply of, was deemed as an essential service and not a privateers river-of-gold. That's where tax payers money should be going - into investments for all Australians and tax payers, not into the pockets of the already wealthy, the Banks and the mining companies.

Only if we accept that the reality of the economic course that we've been on for the last quarter of a century or so has been a massive failure to the everyday person, with a monumental decline in the delivery of top grade health care and education and the significant loss of real wages to the majority, then we will always be at the mercy of behemoths like China unless we change to what we used to do, that is, find and implement uniquely Australian solutions to uniquely Australian problems. We are f***ed as a nation because we have been following imported, failed policies which have lowered our living standards, created a whole underclass of people who go without, lowered our standards of health care and education, we've seen our privacy highjacked and our access to justice greatly diminished and at crisis times brought about by things like this pandemic, we don't even have the capability to manufacture our own protection equipment or testing kits!

All we have done over the last quarter of a century is turn ourselves into a massive hole in the ground and made us dependant on the whims and machinations of 2nd and 3rd world countries like China.

 

[Juddism]

I don't have any objection to cutting China loose, as I have stated elsewhere, my concern is that people don't realise just how much we rely on them.
It won't be possible to wind back your top 3 earners without massive pain.
As I have also stated elsewhere, given the whining about the lockdown and its affect on the economy, should we cut China loose, when shit gets real, there will be massive/widespread economic pain in this country.
Should such a course of action be taken, we could conceivably see the collapse of mining, farming, real estate and tourism, at the same time. Nearly all universities will go broke.
It is fanciful to think that any govt would take such a course of action. It simply won't happen.
What then are the alternatives?


It's also important to point out that taking such a course of action based only on a reaction to China's involvement with the Coronavirus would be mind numbingly stupid.

not sure the CCP can control tourism and education, unless they block it’s citizens from travel to AU for those two specific purposes.

not sure how much would collapse because playing this game China stands to hurt it’s own interests more than anything else..it own’s too much farming/dairies/land and relies too heavily on our ore to not hurt themselves.

the bigger issue here is that we have Australian businesses willing to sell their companies to Chinese investors who are backed by the CCP and the govt approves those sales.

most recent, Belemy’s organics..

 

[Rob R]

Why are the CCP so triggered by the opinions of little ol' Australia?

Thats some superpower they've got themselves over there.

Concern that their own people might get the idea they can stand up for themselves which would earn Xi and his CCP cronies a long overdue meeting with the gallows.

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[Sainteric]

fu**en " Jed Eckert " here !!


* Who got the reference ??

Member of The paid up Chinese government in Victoria now getting it from all sides of the left even in the lefty rag

Victorian Treasurer's China comments spark outrage among federal colleagues

After the Victorian Treasurer blamed the Morrison government for triggering tariffs on up to $1 billion of Australian exports.

www.smh.com.au

Pallas should resign for the good of the country

 

[Mofra]

And after 2 years we would be better off with stronger Australian manufacturing and many new markets.

And China would be worse off because they will be stuck paying higher prices for US imports.

China can weather a trade war with Australia far better than we can weather a trade war with China. They control our three biggest exports (iron ore, coal, foreign education).

They pay more for Brazil's bulk commodities, we lose a significant account of national income. They hold the cards here.

 

[HairyO]

China can weather a trade war with Australia far better than we can weather a trade war with China. They control our three biggest exports (iron ore, coal, foreign education).

They pay more for Brazil's bulk commodities, we lose a significant account of national income. They hold the cards here.

China relies on being able to do things cheaper than anyone else. Not better than anyone else.

What happens when their raw inputs start to cost a lot more?

What happens when we sell our cheaper inputs to other 3rd world countries who are happy making trade deals with us and happy to take our investment money?